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louis001
    19-Sep-2011 10:05  
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hahaha...  when Stock market program is withdrawn/shut down...

game is over....even profitable and blue chips shares become useless,   cannot buy/sell,

everyone is beaten... flat and down...SJ also gone.

 

iPunter      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:58) Posted:



There's only one who can beat the program...

      It is the creator of the program...

                  And only by withdrawing the program... Smiley 


louis001      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:55) Posted:



Man bring computer to space, not otherwise..

Man write and fix computer programs,   computer programs cannot beat man...

It is Man who beats Man....in playing the stock market game ....

Warning : However smart you are man , there is always another man smarter than you at the other side. 


 
 
Gaecia
    19-Sep-2011 10:01  
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You don't read news right to steer clear from confusion.  Go to  bloomberg or reuters,  UBS has  been making the  headlines  everyday..

stockmarketmind      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:56) Posted:

what happen to ubs? Can someone share?

 
 
rotijai
    19-Sep-2011 09:59  
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obviously u know little about computer programs :)

louis001      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:55) Posted:



Man bring computer to space, not otherwise..

Man write and fix computer programs,   computer programs cannot beat man...

It is Man who beats Man....in playing the stock market game ....

Warning : However smart you are man , there is always another man smarter than you at the other side. 

Laulan      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:42) Posted:



Man cannot beat the computer programs. It has become too sophisticated and powerful. With computers we can also go to space, and the far ends of the universe.

See UBS so big also cannot beat it, an organized program in the markets.  It is sad to know that the whistle blowers never disallow machines attached to our exchange trading activities capable of screwing up all your money.

Stop playing the stock markets if you can.  Only hold on to profitable and turning around companies. 

Warning: However smart you are, you cannot beat the computers.


 

 
iPunter
    19-Sep-2011 09:58  
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There's only one who can beat the program...

      It is the creator of the program...

                  And only by withdrawing the program... Smiley 


louis001      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:55) Posted:



Man bring computer to space, not otherwise..

Man write and fix computer programs,   computer programs cannot beat man...

It is Man who beats Man....in playing the stock market game ....

Warning : However smart you are man , there is always another man smarter than you at the other side. 

Laulan      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:42) Posted:



Man cannot beat the computer programs. It has become too sophisticated and powerful. With computers we can also go to space, and the far ends of the universe.

See UBS so big also cannot beat it, an organized program in the markets.  It is sad to know that the whistle blowers never disallow machines attached to our exchange trading activities capable of screwing up all your money.

Stop playing the stock markets if you can.  Only hold on to profitable and turning around companies. 

Warning: However smart you are, you cannot beat the computers.


 
 
stockmarketmind
    19-Sep-2011 09:56  
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what happen to ubs? Can someone share?
 
 
iPunter
    19-Sep-2011 09:55  
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" Laulan" is a respectable nick, much deserving of respect...

        It stands for " seasoned veteran" ... lol...  Smiley


Laulan      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:42) Posted:



Man cannot beat the computer programs. It has become too sophisticated and powerful. With computers we can also go to space, and the far ends of the universe.

See UBS so big also cannot beat it, an organized program in the markets.  It is sad to know that the whistle blowers never disallow machines attached to our exchange trading activities capable of screwing up all your money.

Stop playing the stock markets if you can.  Only hold on to profitable and turning around companies. 

Warning: However smart you are, you cannot beat the computers.


stockmarketmind      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:35) Posted:

pre opening trades.


 

 
louis001
    19-Sep-2011 09:55  
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Man bring computer to space, not otherwise..

Man write and fix computer programs,   computer programs cannot beat man...

It is Man who beats Man....in playing the stock market game ....

Warning : However smart you are man , there is always another man smarter than you at the other side. 

Laulan      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:42) Posted:



Man cannot beat the computer programs. It has become too sophisticated and powerful. With computers we can also go to space, and the far ends of the universe.

See UBS so big also cannot beat it, an organized program in the markets.  It is sad to know that the whistle blowers never disallow machines attached to our exchange trading activities capable of screwing up all your money.

Stop playing the stock markets if you can.  Only hold on to profitable and turning around companies. 

Warning: However smart you are, you cannot beat the computers.


stockmarketmind      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:35) Posted:

pre opening trades.


 
 
Laulan
    19-Sep-2011 09:42  
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Man cannot beat the computer programs. It has become too sophisticated and powerful. With computers we can also go to space, and the far ends of the universe.

See UBS so big also cannot beat it, an organized program in the markets.  It is sad to know that the whistle blowers never disallow machines attached to our exchange trading activities capable of screwing up all your money.

Stop playing the stock markets if you can.  Only hold on to profitable and turning around companies. 

Warning: However smart you are, you cannot beat the computers.


stockmarketmind      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 09:35) Posted:

pre opening trades.

moneycow      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 08:54) Posted:



Any Sifu can help explain why sti before open already got volume for certtain counter and  STI already green before it open for trading for the day ?

 

Many Thanks.


 
 
stockmarketmind
    19-Sep-2011 09:35  
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pre opening trades.

moneycow      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 08:54) Posted:



Any Sifu can help explain why sti before open already got volume for certtain counter and  STI already green before it open for trading for the day ?

 

Many Thanks.

 
 
xing78
    19-Sep-2011 09:10  
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Those are Married deals.

moneycow      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 08:54) Posted:



Any Sifu can help explain why sti before open already got volume for certtain counter and  STI already green before it open for trading for the day ?

 

Many Thanks.

 

 
moneycow
    19-Sep-2011 08:54  
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Any Sifu can help explain why sti before open already got volume for certtain counter and  STI already green before it open for trading for the day ?

 

Many Thanks.
 
 
iPunter
    19-Sep-2011 08:40  
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I can see sifu has truly found the real secret of the stock market...

        Newbies especially will benefit tremendously from such enlightened insights... Smiley


warrenbegger      ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 23:17) Posted:



Stock market is like chess play,

A day to learn, a lifetime to master.

But stock market cant be fully master,

Cause U wont win all the time.

If U can win more and lose less most of the time,

U already consider yourself master of own.




By, a rich begger :)

 


 
 
iPunter
    19-Sep-2011 08:25  
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Maybe you will need to sign up to learn

    " The Secret Art ans Application of the K Mind" ... lol... Smiley           

teeth53      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 00:13) Posted:

What is mean for letter " K" ....isit this letter " K" name just pop out...? ur answer. `..` 

stockmarketmind      ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 14:32) Posted:

betting is like killing oneself


 
 
iPunter
    19-Sep-2011 08:22  
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I always recommend all stock newbies to practise " Wu Wei" ( 無 爲 membuat gosong)...

    Not losing is already winning... Do Not Play Shares... Smiley


medivh      ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 00:11) Posted:



 

" Gai Pang" Sifu with XiangLong18Zhang most likely can triump over the " Xi du" (west poison)

Just use your Gai Pang Da Gou Pang style (K wave)

Then use your XiangLong18 zhang (K turn)

Lastly learn the art of Jiu Ying Zhen Jing . (K mind)

  to purge the poison if you ever get hurt.







 
 
teeth53
    19-Sep-2011 00:13  
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What is mean for letter " K" ....isit this letter " K" name just pop out...? ur answer. `..` 

stockmarketmind      ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 14:32) Posted:

betting is like killing oneself

 

 
medivh
    19-Sep-2011 00:11  
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" Gai Pang" Sifu with XiangLong18Zhang most likely can triump over the " Xi du" (west poison)

Just use your Gai Pang Da Gou Pang style (K wave)

Then use your XiangLong18 zhang (K turn)

Lastly learn the art of Jiu Ying Zhen Jing . (K mind)

  to purge the poison if you ever get hurt.






 
 
warrenbegger
    18-Sep-2011 23:17  
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Stock market is like chess play,

A day to learn, a lifetime to master.

But stock market cant be fully master,

Cause U wont win all the time.

If U can win more and lose less most of the time,

U already consider yourself master of own.




By, a rich begger :)

 

 
 
warrenbegger
    18-Sep-2011 22:51  
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I agreed with U.

Thats why i trade lesser and lesser, smaller and smaller.

I always try to protect my $$$, and only trade when high probability chance comes.

I also very scare of siao market and stock crash, thats why i stay sideline and even i make a bet, i bet 10 to 15% also wont kill me :)

 

 
 
 
medivh
    18-Sep-2011 22:19  
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All I can say is the past 10 years alot of things have been happening.
  Some things are out of investors' hands  (no matter how skilled you are, either loong or shoort)
        From terrorism to viruses to watevever financial meltdown, you name it, its out there
              Chance is 50/50. Even if you are the most skillful person, you will be subjected to these uncontrolled situations.

warrenbegger      ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 21:51) Posted:



Everyday we r facing with bets, odds, chance, probability, lucky or unlucky life.

We cannot totally control our life and thats also betting? Cause there is also uncertainty in the outcome whatever we do.

Eg, some said smoking will die faster and no smoking will live longer, from the moment they smoke, they already betting how long they will survive. But sometimes life is not what we think it would be the outcome. Maybe those who smoke live longer than U and those didnt smoke kanna sickness or accident for nothing, life is somehow unfair around us. From the moment we wake up, we already facing with uncertainty. Like others said, life is a gambler/bets. U dont know what will happen next no matter how confidence U r.

Probability odds is what we can use to guess what will happen next, either by high or low chance of getting the result. Without probability, all we do is totally betting, all depend on chance and luck liao. Eg, what is the probability of playing football near the roadside or in the field without getting serious accident? And what the chance of success if u opening a business with a plan or without a plan? Ya, we cant be 100% sure in life, but we can use probability to get the success rate we think what will be the likely outcome.

In stock, 90% and 10% of winning rate is different in my view, there r not the same if i play(for new bird i dont know because they blur).

Eg, Singtel. If i want to bet on 1 player assume that 90% and 10% is not useful or all is just betting as u said (Eg given is in normal market condition)

-Player A long ST at $5+

-Player B long ST at $3+

-Player C long ST at $2+

-Player D long ST at $1+ (wait long long, LOL)

-Player E Short ST at $1 (looking for death, ha ha)

If there r 5 choices for u to bet, which player will U bets? Now U see the probability of chance? I 101% sure bet on player D cause it had the best odds and chance to win. If 90% or 10% probability is not useful and all is just a bet for uncertainty outcome. Tell me who dare to bet on player A and E, who so idiot to do that?

In gamblers worlds, theres not such things as professional casino gambler, but there is professional poker player around. Those expert in WSOP, Texas Holdem or Omaha will know what i talking about. Games of chance = Pure betting. Games of skill = Higher Probability chance of winning than others that depend totally on luck. In very short time frame, maybe all is betting. But in a longer time frame, mosty skillful play will edge out.

That why in stock, short term is unpredictable but long term is more predictable. If u tell warren buffeet that from the moment he invest/or bet for uncertainty outcome, i think he will F**K U, lol. Different people got different view, thats depend how well u can see through those confusion. My friend last time also told me that stock market is a big casino, all is just betting and he also lose a lots. I let him see my portfoilo and he said why like that, why can buy the same stock but different result. I told him why and he know thats all along he was just betting. Maybe we r all betting for different unknown result, but to me every bet is different if u know whats and when to bet.

Betting is just a words, to me, make the right bets is the key to success. If every thing in stock is just betting and gambling, there wont be any famous legend investor or super trader around thats can show and prove u thats their account make it. Their result show all of us liao, why they can make it? Why? U know the ways to the bank?

I want to said sorry sorry and more sorry to some. This is just my own view and i can be very very wrong. Lets learn from each others, cheers :)

 
 
xing78
    18-Sep-2011 22:04  
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I dunno what else can go wrong.

Perhaps you can ask Bill Gross (PIMCO) on what went wrong with his bet.

LOL 

Source from Bloomberg below. 

Pimco Total Return Fund (PTTRX), the world’s largest mutual fund, is having its worst year versus rivals based on records going back to 1995, and  Bill Gross’s decision to dump Treasuries isn’t the only reason.

Gross bet almost $11 billion in the second quarter on an index of U.S. corporate credit risk, raised the amount of insurance the fund provides on sovereign debt and put $1.3 billion into Italian Treasury bonds linked to inflation, according to an August regulatory filing.

Since June 2010, Gross has been reducing the $245 billion fund’s vulnerability to interest-rate swings and increasing its reliance on credit quality by shifting from Treasuries to corporate and non-U.S. sovereign debt, a strategy that backfired last month. As the  U.S. economy  slowed and Europe’s debt crisis worsened, investors sought the safety of Treasuries and sold the bonds Pimco had bet on, leaving the fund trailing 89 percent of competitors in August and 67 percent this year through Sept. 8, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

“People are focusing on the Treasuries, but the real issue is that the other credit instruments didn’t do as well,” A. Michael Lipper, head of Lipper Advisory Services Inc., a Summit, New Jersey, firm that advises institutions on investing in mutual funds, said in a telephone interview. “They had way too much, short term, of the underperformers.”

The amount of protection issued by Pimco Total Return on debt tied to corporate borrowers, municipalities and sovereign governments outside the U.S. rose to $43.6 billion as of June 30 from $19.6 billion a year earlier, the filing shows.

 

rotijai      ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 18:26) Posted:



wat can go wrong?

fed can break the 1228 (50 ma resistance) and 1250 (great china wall resistance) and push the market back to bull market (at least in the short-mid term)..

our analyse can be wrong.. but the market is never wrong uh ? :)

xing78      ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 18:16) Posted:



It depends on how much dollar the FED is going to print.

TA & FA done previously can all go wrong if the FED announce plans to print another couple of trillion next week to distort the economy.

LOL 


 
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