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lausk22
    28-Aug-2007 23:35  
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Goodnite folks...hope in the morning will look better...)
 
 
lausk22
    28-Aug-2007 23:20  
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lausk22
    28-Aug-2007 23:14  
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Such bad news already expected. It would be a surprise if it was the opposite. So no big deal. Better just pray the propagation of these bad news will not increase poor sentiments, leading to further market declines, which will be bad for the overall economy worldwide; and which is also no good for those who have pulled out of the market early.
 

 
billywows
    28-Aug-2007 23:14  
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Wow .... Dow down 3-Digits now!

Bloody for STI tomorrow.

 

             

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mirage
    28-Aug-2007 23:13  
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MarketWatch
ECONOMIC REPORT
Home prices fall record 3.2% nationally
Values down in 15 of 20 major cities, Case-Shiller finds

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. home prices fell at a faster rate in the second quarter, down 3.2% compared with the same period in 2006, Standard & Poor's reported Tuesday.

It marked the largest year-over-year decline ever recorded in the 20-year history of the Case-Shiller home price index.
A year ago, home prices were rising at a 7.5% pace nationally.
'With supply overhang growing and mortgage financing tougher to obtain, home prices are going to soften considerably further in the quarters ahead.'
? Joshua Shapiro, MFR Inc.
"The pullback in the U.S. residential real-estate market is showing no signs of slowing down," said Robert Shiller, chief economist at MacroMarkets LLC, which computes the price index for S&P.
In an interview with MarketWatch, Shiller noted that the figures were for activity ending in June -- well before the more recent blowup in the mortgage markets.
Falling prices make it more difficult for homeowners to tap their home equity or refinance their mortgages. Millions of homeowners who took out adjustable-rate loans in 2005 and 2006 face sharply higher mortgage payments this year and next, with foreclosures having already soared as a result of payment resets.
"This slow-burn downswing probably has a long way to go," wrote Charles Dumas, an economist for London's Lombard Street Research. "The backlog of unsold homes has reached a level at which buyers are likely to get nasty, insisting on deep price cuts. As repossessed homes come on the market over the next 18 months, downward pressure on home prices and whole neighbourhoods will intensify."
"We are fast approaching the rate of price decline seen at the end of the 1990-91 recession, and the odds strongly favor blowing past this mark in coming months," wrote Joshua Shapiro, chief economist for MFR Inc. "With supply overhang growing and mortgage financing tougher to obtain, home prices are going to soften considerably further in the quarters ahead."
The last time prices fell so much, it took more than eight years for home prices to return to their peak level.
Meanwhile, prices fell by 3.5% in the past year in 20 major cities as tracked by the index and by 4.1% in 10 major cities through June. It's the largest year-over-year decline in the 10-city gauge since July 1991. Read the full report from S&P.
In a separate report, the Conference Board said consumer confidence fell at the fastest rate in two years in August. See full story.
Pockets of strength in sea of weakness
Prices fell in 15 of the 20 cities in June compared with a year earlier, with the largest price declines concentrated in the industrial Midwest and in the once-bubbly markets along the coasts and in the desert West. Some metro areas in the Northwest and Southeast are still seeing prices rise, however.
Home prices have plunged 11% in Detroit, Mich., in the past year, followed by 7.7% in Tampa, Fla., and 7.3% in San Diego, Calif. On the other hand, prices have risen 7.9% in the Seattle metro region, with prices up 6.8% in Charlotte, N.C.
The annual growth rate slowed in 17 of 20 cities in June.
One bright spot could be Boston, which was the first metro area to show falling prices. Since the first of the year, the year-over-year decline in Boston has improved from a 5.5% decline in January to a 3.9% decline in June. Shiller said more data would be needed before he could say that Boston's real-estate market has turned.
The Case-Shiller index, which tracks multiple sales of the same homes, is considered by many observers to be the best gauge of national and metro real-estate values.
On Thursday, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight will report its national home price index. As of the first quarter, the OFHEO index showed prices were up 4.3% in the past year.
The OFHEO index has never been negative on a year-over-year basis.
Like Case-Shiller, the OFHEO index tracks multiple sales of the same homes. However, OFHEO does not include homes with nonconforming mortgages, such as those with jumbo mortgages for more than $417,000.
Here are the 20 cities covered by the Case-Shiller index, ranked from worst to best:
Detroit, down 11%: Tampa, Fla., down 7.7%; San Diego, down 7.3%; Washington, down 7%; Phoenix, down 6.6%; Las Vegas, down 5.1%; Miami, down 4.8%; Los Angeles, down 4.1%; San Francisco, down 4%; Minneapolis, down 3.8%; Boston, down 3.7%; Cleveland, down 3.6%; New York, down 3.4%; Denver, down 1%; Chicago, down 0.7%; Atlanta, up 1.6%; Dallas, up 1.6%; Portland, Ore., up 4.5%; Charlotte, N.C., up 6.8%; and Seattle, up 7.9%. End of Story
Rex Nutting is Washington bureau chief of MarketWatch.

 
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Disagree. Forcing a person to save 20% as they did years ago, would plunge the housing market  further into a state that would take years to recover. The ripple effects leading to a weaker economy. As a mortgage lender, I have seen the n... 

 

by HHBear
56 minutes ago

And let's hope it falls further.  Prices need to come down a lot more before responsible borrowers can afford to buy homes again.  By responsible, I mean a buyer who can put 20% down, verify his income with tax returns and pay stubs, and have 6 months of living expenses saved.  The many who couldn't save raised the prices of homes who could.  There was a good reason banks used this standard years ago to determine if they had a good chance of being paid back.  For the sake of our economy and our credit markets, I hope we return to this standard. 

 

 

by TMO72
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Disagree. Forcing a person to save 20% as they did years ago, would plunge the housing market  further into a state that would take years to recover. The ripple effects leading to a weaker economy. As a mortgage lender, I have seen the need for hard working individuals who want to be home owners, but with limited resources for a down payment, be able to purchase a modest home within their budget. The new standard needs to be and is becoming right now, low down payment programs with risk based mortgage insurance options, full income documentation for sub-standard credit, stated income documentation for borrowers with strong credit. Borrowers will adjust to these standards as home prices will adjust accordingly and the housing market will stabilize more sooner than later.

 



 
 
 
lookcc
    28-Aug-2007 22:33  
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can ben calm the herd tonite, if he can at 2 pm et.
 

 
singaporegal
    28-Aug-2007 22:27  
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Consumer Confidence in US down...

Problems in mortgage, housing and stock markets has American consumers less confident about economy.




NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Turmoil in the stock and housing markets caused the biggest drop in consumer confidence in almost two years in August, according to a closely watched survey released Wednesday.

The Conference Board said its consumer confidence index fell to 105.0 in the latest survey of 5,000 households from a revised 111.9 reading in July. It was the biggest month-over-month drop since September 2005, when hurricanes Katrina and Rita sent gas prices to then record levels. This time it was problems with subprime mortgages and falling home and stock prices.

The reading was also the lowest in a year, though it came in a shade better than the average forecast of 104.5 from economists surveyed by Briefing.com.Consumer confidence is closely watched as a predictor of American's willingness to spend money, particularly on big-ticket items. Consumer spending fuels nearly three-quarters of the nation's economic activity.

 
 
 
lookcc
    28-Aug-2007 22:13  
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From HERD'S FEAR  low stock pxs evolve.
 
 
billywows
    28-Aug-2007 22:07  
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dukkha
    28-Aug-2007 22:05  
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OMG SmileySmiley
 

 
newmoon
    28-Aug-2007 22:01  
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Sub prime virus infecting American bees?-no home to go back to because of foreclosure?
 
 
seed_destiny
    28-Aug-2007 21:58  
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DJIA 13,236.62 -85.51 -0.64%   9:56 AM ET 
 Nasdaq 2,538.48 -22.77 -0.89%   9:56 AM ET 
 S&P 500 1,454.59 -12.20 -0.83%   9:56 AM ET 
 Dow Util 483.62 +0.81 +0.17%   9:56 AM ET 
 NYSE 9,435.33 -93.60 -0.98%   9:56 AM ET 
 AMEX 2,212.98 -25.38 -1.13%   9:56 AM ET 
 Russell 2000 779.85 -9.60 -1.22%   9:55 AM ET 
 Semcond 482.91 -2.95 -0.61%   9:56 AM ET 
 
 
tanglinboy
    28-Aug-2007 21:55  
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Holy shit.... market's falling again
 
 
elfinchilde
    28-Aug-2007 21:55  
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indices for fellow SJ-ers....billywows, do kindly post if you have the news of the data when they're released? alt the link to them...thanks in advance. :)

 

Dow -66.90 -0.50% 13,255.23
NASDAQ -18.66 -0.73% 2,542.59
S&P -10.23 -0.70% 1,456.56
DJ Wilshire 5000 -108.14 -0.73% 14,661.19
Russell 2000 -7.85 -0.99% 781.60
Philadelphia Semiconductor -2.70 -0.55% 484.13
Dow Transports -51.86 -1.07% 4,815.11
Dow Utilities +1.87 +0.39% 484.68
NYSE Composite -79.37 -0.83% 9,449.56
AMEX Composite -24.48 -1.09% 2,213.88
Morningstar Index -18.66 -0.52% 3,543.47
*10yr Note -0.3300 -0.072% 4.563%
*NYMEX Crude Oil -0.22 -0.31% 71.75
Gold -1.70 -0.25% 674.50
 
 
billywows
    28-Aug-2007 21:46  
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Another bloody RED US market! Below's economic data to be out tonite:

2200hrs - August's Consumer Confidence

0200hrs - FOMC Minutes

 

       

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mirage
    28-Aug-2007 21:33  
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Hi Soloman, do you have any good article to contribute?

If not, remember, "A fish will not get into any trouble, if it learns to keep it's mouth shut" lah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
tanglinboy
    28-Aug-2007 21:29  
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Dow opening in a few minutes...
 
 
KiLrOy
    28-Aug-2007 21:28  
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Its (DOW) going to be a BIG DROP today.... All the currencies are heading south...
 
 
soloman
    28-Aug-2007 20:21  
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Big Deal - drop so what ?

Normal now already
 
 
mirage
    28-Aug-2007 18:02  
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News from Bloomberg.

Global Stocks, U.S. Futures Fall; SocGen, Westpac Banking Drop
By Sarah Jones


Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Stocks in Europe and Asia declined and U.S. index futures fell on renewed concern the subprime- mortgage rout is spreading and will erode global economic growth.

Societe Generale SA and Deutsche Bank AG led the retreat in Europe. Westpac Banking Corp. sank after Australia's central bank said the country's money market remains ``under pressure'' as losses related to subprime mortgages in the U.S. discouraged lending. Bear Stearns Cos. dropped in European trading.

The Morgan Stanley Capital International World Index slipped 0.3 percent to 1,544.68 as of 10:35 a.m. in London. Futures on the Standard & Poor's 500 Index dropped 0.2 percent to 1,466.2.

``Investor sentiment is quite poor and I think it will remain quite poor for some time,'' said Andrew Milligan, head of global strategy at Standard Life Investment in Edinburgh, which manages $265 billion in assets. ``This is not a problem with one institution. It's a financial sector problem.''

U.S. stocks fell yesterday after a report showed the glut of unsold homes rose to a 16-year high last month and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. warned of ``extraordinary weakness'' in the market for loans held by Countrywide Financial Corp., the biggest U.S. home lender. Asian financial shares retreated today.

National benchmarks dropped in all 17 western European markets that were open. Germany's DAX lost 0.3 percent, France's CAC 40 slipped 0.6 percent and the U.K.'s FTSE 100 declined 0.6 percent. U.K. markets were closed for a public holiday yesterday.

Yen Strengthens

The yen strengthened against all 16 major currencies on speculation banks will report more credit-market losses, prompting traders to pare higher-yielding investments funded by loans in Japan. U.S. 10-year Treasury notes fell for the first time in three days as yields near the lowest in five months deterred investors.

German business confidence dropped for a third month in August after a lack of available credit clouded the outlook for economic growth. A report later today in the U.S. may show consumer confidence slid in August from its highest level in almost six years, as tumbling stock prices and lower home values left Americans feeling less wealthy, economists said.

The Conference Board will release its survey at 10 a.m. New York time.

Societe Generale, France's second-largest bank, lost 2.1 percent to 117.46 euros. Deutsche Bank, Europe's biggest investment bank, sank 1.2 percent to 90.52 euros.

Barclays Plc, the third-biggest U.K. bank, retreated 2.1 percent to 598 pence. The bank rebuffed a newspaper report that it provided funding to an investment unit for Landesbank Sachsen Girozentrale, the German public lender squeezed by a global credit crunch.

FT Report

The Financial Times today said the Barclays Capital securities unit has ``exposure'' in the ``low hundreds of millions of dollars'' to failed debt funds, citing people familiar with the matter. The bank created a unit, known as a SIV-Lite, for Sachsen LB in May, with assets of about $3 billion mostly invested in securities backed by prime and subprime U.S. mortgages, the newspaper reported.

``Barclays has provided no funding at any time to the Sachsen SIV-Lite,'' London-based Barclays spokesman Will Bowen said. ``Any report to the contrary is inaccurate.'' Reports of ``exposure'' to debt units worth hundreds of millions of dollars are also ``inaccurate,'' he said.

Westpac Banking, Australia's oldest bank, sank 1.1 percent to A$26.75. Australia's money market remains ``under pressure'' and the central bank will intervene if needed to stabilize the cost of credit amid U.S. subprime losses, Reserve Bank Deputy Governor Ric Battellino said today.

DBS Group Holdings Ltd. retreated 2.9 percent to S$29.80 in Singapore after Southeast Asia's largest lender said it has more collateralized debt obligations than previously disclosed.

Bear Stearns Downgrade

Bear Stearns lost $1.06 to $111.14 in Germany after Merrill Lynch & Co. lowered its recommendation for the biggest broker to hedge funds to ``neutral'' from ``buy.''

The brokerage also downgraded shares of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Citigroup Inc. to ``neutral'' from ``buy.''

Retailers paced the decline in Europe. Carrefour SA, Europe's biggest retailer, retreated 0.8 percent to 50.98 euros. Tesco Plc, Britain's biggest retailer, lost 1 percent to 415.75 pence. Royal Ahold NV, the Dutch owner of the U.S. Stop & Shop supermarket chain, declined 1.6 percent to 9.35 euros.

Deutsche Post AG dropped 3.4 percent to 20.76 euros after Goldman, Sachs & Co. lowered its recommendation for the shares to ``sell'' from ``buy.''

LSE, Henderson

London Stock Exchange Plc climbed 1.8 percent to 1,336 pence after Reuters reported that NYSE Euronext and Australia's ASX Ltd. may be considering buying part of Nasdaq Stock Market Inc.'s stake in the U.K. market operator.

The Reuters report, which cited an unidentified person familiar with the matter, was denied by Sydney-based ASX. An NYSE Euronext spokesman and a Nasdaq spokeswoman declined to comment.

Henderson Group Plc rallied 5.9 percent to 143.25 pence. Catherine Heath and Rae Maile, analysts at JPMorgan Cazenove Ltd. in London, lifted their 2008 earnings-per-share estimates for the money manager by 8 percent to 10.6 pence.

Versatel AG plunged 20 percent to 11.69 euros, the biggest decline since the German phone and Internet company's initial public offering. Versatel posted a wider second-quarter loss of 56.6 million euros ($77.1 million) and cut its sales and profit forecasts.

To contact the reporter on this story: Sarah Jones in London at sjones35@bloomberg.net ;

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