Vard

Vard Holdings

Yeah I am long term investor . Brought more at 84

Please continue posting your comments. Ignore what others say. Cheers!

SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 18:18) Posted:

I know some people don’t like “grandfather stories”, but just let me wrap some things up before I leave.

@alexchia01 – Once again, I am not trying to justify why I am still holding it and neither am I trying to psycho people to buy this and “die” together with me. And as I also mentioned before, I don’t just invest in this stock, but I have the capital and time to wait for this stock. You are right to say that a counter may take a long time to recover, but you to have access the situation as what causes the “recovery phase”. For container shipping and logistics counters like NOL or Cosco, or other manufacturing or precision engineering counters for example, it is the overall macro outlook which is not good and when their earnings and profitability starts to be affected, it may take a long time for them to recover. In the case of this Vard, it is a result of expansion and pioneering attempts which leads to it’s margins being affected. The company is seeking growth but albeit faces some setbacks. It is overall still profitable in other geographical areas. Once again, as I mentioned before, it is short term pain for long term gain. Just because it’s fundamentals or earnings are not good now doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. Vard’s fundamentals were also fantastic (intrinsic value of 3.3) for FY2011, but look at where it is heading now. If you invest purely just base on the fundamentals now and fail to take into account future prospects, this is just not too correct in my opinion. Those who choose to invest now is typical of high risk high gain. Once this counter is on it’s way to recover, it’s price will no longer be at this level => translating to low risk low gain. Once again, depending on your capital and risk appetitie, you can choose to be kiasu or kiasi (like what shareflux once said). Your money your call..

@warrenbeggar – Thanks for understanding and trying to defend me. I definitely hold on to this stock because I can see the potential for it. I always speak up when stocks are on a downtrend because I feel it is times like these when people need to be clear-headed and they need certain information or analysis for guiding their actions. I am not saying my analysis is correct all the time, but at least I offer some thoughts and people can always debate and discuss also. Ultimately, is for the good of everyone. How people choose to see me I am not too bothered anymore. As I said before, I have been true to myself and others.

Lastly, @student (I dunno where is he now) – Always feel the need to applogise to you because I know despite the words and tone you use, I know you have good intentions. But at that time when you keep saying STX OSV will plunge, up to now at that point of time, I still don’t agree with what you said. 1.22 is actually a strong support, and I bought at 1.24 is because I also thought is cheap enough. If you have backed ur views with the fact that Brazil shipyard could possibly face more problems, I would have accepted. But since you base it just on the price movement of chart, I was not too agreeable. In the end, nothing is certain. Both of us could have been right and wrong at that time. Once again, my applogies to you..

I am not being an emotional person and base entirely on my feelings to buy or hold stocks. I have every intention and purpose as to why I buy and hold certain stocks. I apply this mentality to life also, for why I do certain things or actions. Even if is long-winded or grandfather story, I will still want to post this for my last post, as I have always felt the need to be responsible. Great knowing many forum members here, like Warrenbeggar, WanSiTong, Blanchard, Wendel, Heavenknow, JarolLo, Simpsons, Mtfaber, Peter_Pan, GorgeousOng, Halleluyah, newagetrader, Ozone2002, ethanetoh, prolix, etc… (hope I didn’t leave anyone out). Whether trade or invest, do so carefully and wish everyone else all the best in their future endeavors. Wish all Muslim friends Selamat Hari Raya and all Singaporeans a happy National Day!! Cheers..

Alamat! After I come back from my few days holiday, so many things happened in SJ!

I enjoy reading Bro SFGuyRuleZ posts as his views are always backed with facts and knowledge, Everyone is here for knowledge and also to share and learn.

@ SFGuyRuleZ : Don't fall into the trap set by those people. They will be happy if you leave. I am sure most of the forumers here do not want to see you leave. Promise me not to leave. Those who buay song should leave instead.

prolix ( Date: 09-Aug-2013 02:44) Posted:

SFGuyRuleZ, hope I manage to catch you before you leave. I may not have said much in the last few months but I've read most of your posts and I have always found them well researched and well thought out. You may be right or you may be wrong, but no one can know till a few months/years down the road. Whatever the case, god knows you have given a good and well reasoned perspective. Wish you all the best bro.

To those who love to shoot off their mouths: if you really want to show how clever you are, throwing a few one-liners around isnt going to help. You may have a different view - if so, share it! Most of us here want to hear the views of others - so long as it is based on facts or on some logical reasoning. True, no one can stop you from saying what you want, but keep in mind that whatever you say will simply reflect what sort of person you are.

SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 18:18) Posted:

I know some people don’t like “grandfather stories”, but just let me wrap some things up before I leave.

@alexchia01 – Once again, I am not trying to justify why I am still holding it and neither am I trying to psycho people to buy this and “die” together with me. And as I also mentioned before, I don’t just invest in this stock, but I have the capital and time to wait for this stock. You are right to say that a counter may take a long time to recover, but you to have access the situation as what causes the “recovery phase”. For container shipping and logistics counters like NOL or Cosco, or other manufacturing or precision engineering counters for example, it is the overall macro outlook which is not good and when their earnings and profitability starts to be affected, it may take a long time for them to recover. In the case of this Vard, it is a result of expansion and pioneering attempts which leads to it’s margins being affected. The company is seeking growth but albeit faces some setbacks. It is overall still profitable in other geographical areas. Once again, as I mentioned before, it is short term pain for long term gain. Just because it’s fundamentals or earnings are not good now doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. Vard’s fundamentals were also fantastic (intrinsic value of 3.3) for FY2011, but look at where it is heading now. If you invest purely just base on the fundamentals now and fail to take into account future prospects, this is just not too correct in my opinion. Those who choose to invest now is typical of high risk high gain. Once this counter is on it’s way to recover, it’s price will no longer be at this level => translating to low risk low gain. Once again, depending on your capital and risk appetitie, you can choose to be kiasu or kiasi (like what shareflux once said). Your money your call..

@warrenbeggar – Thanks for understanding and trying to defend me. I definitely hold on to this stock because I can see the potential for it. I always speak up when stocks are on a downtrend because I feel it is times like these when people need to be clear-headed and they need certain information or analysis for guiding their actions. I am not saying my analysis is correct all the time, but at least I offer some thoughts and people can always debate and discuss also. Ultimately, is for the good of everyone. How people choose to see me I am not too bothered anymore. As I said before, I have been true to myself and others.

Lastly, @student (I dunno where is he now) – Always feel the need to applogise to you because I know despite the words and tone you use, I know you have good intentions. But at that time when you keep saying STX OSV will plunge, up to now at that point of time, I still don’t agree with what you said. 1.22 is actually a strong support, and I bought at 1.24 is because I also thought is cheap enough. If you have backed ur views with the fact that Brazil shipyard could possibly face more problems, I would have accepted. But since you base it just on the price movement of chart, I was not too agreeable. In the end, nothing is certain. Both of us could have been right and wrong at that time. Once again, my applogies to you..

I am not being an emotional person and base entirely on my feelings to buy or hold stocks. I have every intention and purpose as to why I buy and hold certain stocks. I apply this mentality to life also, for why I do certain things or actions. Even if is long-winded or grandfather story, I will still want to post this for my last post, as I have always felt the need to be responsible. Great knowing many forum members here, like Warrenbeggar, WanSiTong, Blanchard, Wendel, Heavenknow, JarolLo, Simpsons, Mtfaber, Peter_Pan, GorgeousOng, Halleluyah, newagetrader, Ozone2002, ethanetoh, prolix, etc… (hope I didn’t leave anyone out). Whether trade or invest, do so carefully and wish everyone else all the best in their future endeavors. Wish all Muslim friends Selamat Hari Raya and all Singaporeans a happy National Day!! Cheers..

U short very heavily ah?

Why u keep attacking him?

Or u rape by him before in the dark?

U very funny, they r always bull and bear in the market, u get poke until very pain ah? LOL!!!

evahsu ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 15:21) Posted:

All forumners agreed to disagree.What make yr views one notch above others?

Those posting cautious comments to avoid at 1.30,1.22 and 1.10 have saved many investors getting into this quardary.Have you complimented them?

Just bcos you are vested does not mean you have the right to shoot down adverse comments.Like you said yrself,nobody ask you to see or force you to read their posting as well.

warrenbegger ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 23:43) Posted:

Don't had to care about them, u just post your own view and that's nothing wrong about it.

They want to see or not no one force them to see, they just want to make u angry and leave only. Most r those new member???

If this forum all only post, buy this and that, short this and that without pointing out any meaning to back their view. Then what's the point of staying here..

*There r lots of unkind people in this world. U tips them 10 win they quiet quiet, just 1 wrong and they F u for life... That's the fact of human...

I ok one, so let us 2 be stupid fool :)

If u like u can F me everyday, I very itchy long time no one play with me :)

evahsu ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 15:01) Posted:

Nobody ask you to comment on my comment.If my comment is stupid then you must be the biggest stupid fool to comment.

warrenbegger ( Date: 07-Aug-2013 23:47) Posted:

Ya lor, if u want to see, then see. If not, no one force u to see and make stupid comment...

SFGuyRuleZ, hope I manage to catch you before you leave. I may not have said much in the last few months but I've read most of your posts and I have always found them well researched and well thought out. You may be right or you may be wrong, but no one can know till a few months/years down the road. Whatever the case, god knows you have given a good and well reasoned perspective. Wish you all the best bro.

To those who love to shoot off their mouths: if you really want to show how clever you are, throwing a few one-liners around isnt going to help. You may have a different view - if so, share it! Most of us here want to hear the views of others - so long as it is based on facts or on some logical reasoning. True, no one can stop you from saying what you want, but keep in mind that whatever you say will simply reflect what sort of person you are.

SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 18:18) Posted:

I know some people don?t like ?grandfather stories?, but just let me wrap some things up before I leave.

@alexchia01 ? Once again, I am not trying to justify why I am still holding it and neither am I trying to psycho people to buy this and ?die? together with me. And as I also mentioned before, I don?t just invest in this stock, but I have the capital and time to wait for this stock. You are right to say that a counter may take a long time to recover, but you to have access the situation as what causes the ?recovery phase?. For container shipping and logistics counters like NOL or Cosco, or other manufacturing or precision engineering counters for example, it is the overall macro outlook which is not good and when their earnings and profitability starts to be affected, it may take a long time for them to recover. In the case of this Vard, it is a result of expansion and pioneering attempts which leads to it?s margins being affected. The company is seeking growth but albeit faces some setbacks. It is overall still profitable in other geographical areas. Once again, as I mentioned before, it is short term pain for long term gain. Just because it?s fundamentals or earnings are not good now doesn?t mean it won?t be in the future. Vard?s fundamentals were also fantastic (intrinsic value of 3.3) for FY2011, but look at where it is heading now. If you invest purely just base on the fundamentals now and fail to take into account future prospects, this is just not too correct in my opinion. Those who choose to invest now is typical of high risk high gain. Once this counter is on it?s way to recover, it?s price will no longer be at this level => translating to low risk low gain. Once again, depending on your capital and risk appetitie, you can choose to be kiasu or kiasi (like what shareflux once said). Your money your call..

@warrenbeggar ? Thanks for understanding and trying to defend me. I definitely hold on to this stock because I can see the potential for it. I always speak up when stocks are on a downtrend because I feel it is times like these when people need to be clear-headed and they need certain information or analysis for guiding their actions. I am not saying my analysis is correct all the time, but at least I offer some thoughts and people can always debate and discuss also. Ultimately, is for the good of everyone. How people choose to see me I am not too bothered anymore. As I said before, I have been true to myself and others.

Lastly, @student (I dunno where is he now) ? Always feel the need to applogise to you because I know despite the words and tone you use, I know you have good intentions. But at that time when you keep saying STX OSV will plunge, up to now at that point of time, I still don?t agree with what you said. 1.22 is actually a strong support, and I bought at 1.24 is because I also thought is cheap enough. If you have backed ur views with the fact that Brazil shipyard could possibly face more problems, I would have accepted. But since you base it just on the price movement of chart, I was not too agreeable. In the end, nothing is certain. Both of us could have been right and wrong at that time. Once again, my applogies to you..

I am not being an emotional person and base entirely on my feelings to buy or hold stocks. I have every intention and purpose as to why I buy and hold certain stocks. I apply this mentality to life also, for why I do certain things or actions. Even if is long-winded or grandfather story, I will still want to post this for my last post, as I have always felt the need to be responsible. Great knowing many forum members here, like Warrenbeggar, WanSiTong, Blanchard, Wendel, Heavenknow, JarolLo, Simpsons, Mtfaber, Peter_Pan, GorgeousOng, Halleluyah, newagetrader, Ozone2002, ethanetoh, prolix, etc? (hope I didn?t leave anyone out). Whether trade or invest, do so carefully and wish everyone else all the best in their future endeavors. Wish all Muslim friends Selamat Hari Raya and all Singaporeans a happy National Day!! Cheers..

It's bull vs bear fight .

I bot this few years back after ipo trading.

I think @ 79 cents is a good price to accu.

got dividend.

let's watch the 3rd candles on Monday... ... see how :)

SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 18:16) Posted:

Thanks krisluke for the chart.. But in my own humble opinion, Vard is not entirely on an uptrend now and therefore applying evening star pattern to this counter now may not be entirely accurate. Just my thought.. =)

krisluke ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 17:19) Posted:

Info only... ...

Evening Star

The Evening Star Pattern is a bearish reversal pattern, usually occuring at the top of an uptrend. The pattern consists of three candlesticks:

Large Bullish Candle (Day 1)
Small Bullish or Bearish Candle (Day 2)
Large Bearish Candle (Day 3)

The first part of an Evening Star reversal pattern is a large bullish green candle. On the first day, bulls are definitely in charge, usually new highs were made.

The second day begins with a bullish gap up. It is clear from the opening of Day 2 that bulls are in control. However, bulls do not push prices much higher. The candlestick on Day 2 is quite small and can be bullish, bearish, or neutral (i.e. Doji).

Generally speaking, a bearish candle on Day 2 is a stronger sign of an impending reversal. But it is Day 3 that is the most significant candlestick.

Day 3 begins with a gap down, (a bearish signal) and bears are able to press prices even further downward, often eliminating the gains seen on Day 1.

Evening Star Candlestick Chart Example

The chart below of Exxon-Mobil (XOM) stock shows an example a Evening Star bearish reversal pattern that occured at the end of an uptrend: evening star candlestick formation at the top of an uptrend

evening star candlestick formation at the top of an uptrend

SFGuyRuleZ, I enjoy reading your posts, thank you. whether you coming back or not, wish you all the best.

chill everyone...happy hari raya and national day!!!

Bro SF, u dun hv to bother abt silly comments. Do continue to post.

This counter is controlled by BB. Not for contra. It will fly in times to come. 0.79 is good to accumulate.

SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 08-Aug-2013 18:18) Posted:

I know some people don’t like “grandfather stories”, but just let me wrap some things up before I leave.

@alexchia01 – Once again, I am not trying to justify why I am still holding it and neither am I trying to psycho people to buy this and “die” together with me. And as I also mentioned before, I don’t just invest in this stock, but I have the capital and time to wait for this stock. You are right to say that a counter may take a long time to recover, but you to have access the situation as what causes the “recovery phase”. For container shipping and logistics counters like NOL or Cosco, or other manufacturing or precision engineering counters for example, it is the overall macro outlook which is not good and when their earnings and profitability starts to be affected, it may take a long time for them to recover. In the case of this Vard, it is a result of expansion and pioneering attempts which leads to it’s margins being affected. The company is seeking growth but albeit faces some setbacks. It is overall still profitable in other geographical areas. Once again, as I mentioned before, it is short term pain for long term gain. Just because it’s fundamentals or earnings are not good now doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. Vard’s fundamentals were also fantastic (intrinsic value of 3.3) for FY2011, but look at where it is heading now. If you invest purely just base on the fundamentals now and fail to take into account future prospects, this is just not too correct in my opinion. Those who choose to invest now is typical of high risk high gain. Once this counter is on it’s way to recover, it’s price will no longer be at this level => translating to low risk low gain. Once again, depending on your capital and risk appetitie, you can choose to be kiasu or kiasi (like what shareflux once said). Your money your call..

@warrenbeggar – Thanks for understanding and trying to defend me. I definitely hold on to this stock because I can see the potential for it. I always speak up when stocks are on a downtrend because I feel it is times like these when people need to be clear-headed and they need certain information or analysis for guiding their actions. I am not saying my analysis is correct all the time, but at least I offer some thoughts and people can always debate and discuss also. Ultimately, is for the good of everyone. How people choose to see me I am not too bothered anymore. As I said before, I have been true to myself and others.

Lastly, @student (I dunno where is he now) – Always feel the need to applogise to you because I know despite the words and tone you use, I know you have good intentions. But at that time when you keep saying STX OSV will plunge, up to now at that point of time, I still don’t agree with what you said. 1.22 is actually a strong support, and I bought at 1.24 is because I also thought is cheap enough. If you have backed ur views with the fact that Brazil shipyard could possibly face more problems, I would have accepted. But since you base it just on the price movement of chart, I was not too agreeable. In the end, nothing is certain. Both of us could have been right and wrong at that time. Once again, my applogies to you..

I am not being an emotional person and base entirely on my feelings to buy or hold stocks. I have every intention and purpose as to why I buy and hold certain stocks. I apply this mentality to life also, for why I do certain things or actions. Even if is long-winded or grandfather story, I will still want to post this for my last post, as I have always felt the need to be responsible. Great knowing many forum members here, like Warrenbeggar, WanSiTong, Blanchard, Wendel, Heavenknow, JarolLo, Simpsons, Mtfaber, Peter_Pan, GorgeousOng, Halleluyah, newagetrader, Ozone2002, ethanetoh, prolix, etc… (hope I didn’t leave anyone out). Whether trade or invest, do so carefully and wish everyone else all the best in their future endeavors. Wish all Muslim friends Selamat Hari Raya and all Singaporeans a happy National Day!! Cheers..

Pls check PM.Cheers!