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178investors
    23-Jul-2010 17:18  
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The 3 recent floods happened after rainfall had topped 100mm within an hour. Govt feel this is already too difficult a level for them to manage/prevent  flooding. Is 100mm the "new normal"? Historical rainfall going back decades showed Singapore had experienced much higher rainfall. Back in the 70's, we had rainfall topping 500mm within an hour. Does the Govt think such heavy downpour will not happen again? What if? Imagine 500 is 5 times 100.

In as far as we can understand from official statements, highest paid Cabinet says we can't be building more and more bigger canals as they compete for space with other infrastructures. That "line of thinking" says we can only build all things horizontally in one dimension. Lee is right: no amount of engineering can prevent flood, in a land-constrained country, if every engineers think using that "line of thinking".

I am sure our engineers are more than capable of multi-stacking competing infrastructures (roads, train rails, canals, rivers, buildings, underground networks of pipes and cables, etc.) where feasible.  Look at our MRT train lines. Some part of it run under the singapore river. Some part of CTE tunnel also under a riverway. Did the Engineers say then, "No! It will be flooded if we do that." Also, we have Standard Chartered Building sitting right on top of the Raffles MRT track when tunneling work was carried out, non-stop, right under that building. Did the Engineers say then : "No! It can't be done. The Standard Chartered Building will collapse if we bore under it."

Real Engineers always challenge themselves : nothing is impossible; in fact, impossible is nothing.  Our Cabinet should say "sorry" to our hardworking engineers; for the slight.
 
 
Laulan
    23-Jul-2010 14:38  
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Expect the bad weather to bring more flooding.  Never doze off or sleep in your car at a basement carpark during heavy rain.  Serious, be careful for this coming half year because the SW monsoon (May to Sep) will be followed by NE monsoon that usually see raining Oct to Mar 2011.,  Always check out witht the Med Office because weather is sometimes as unpredictable as the stock market. Cheers.
 
 
knightrider
    23-Jul-2010 13:44  
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Anyone can say anything ! So, beh song is it ? NB !

Hulumas      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 12:30) Posted:

You are too proud of yourself perhaps! May I know if you are qualified to say that? Be respect to old people please! I hope you are not Singaporean by the way!

knightrider      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 12:08) Posted:



Aiya, when old please admit old la ! Already 3/4 inside the coffin. still want to occupy the tiolet bowl,

霸主茅坑不拉屎 and yet say something not constructive at all. Retired la, the more you talk the more your are wronged ! Old liao please step down and go hospital more often to see your bed-dridden old woman !


 

 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 13:24  
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HEARD:

Did the designers, developers, contractors of

Marina Barrage

Marina Bay Sands

Ion

underground MRT  lines and stations

condominium

REMOVED, MODIFIED, DIVERTED ? ? ? ?

some or part of OLD DRAINAGE SYSTEM ? ? ? ?

OFF-guardities ? ? ? ?

OVERLOOKED ? ? ? ?
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 13:12  
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The first time the floods hit Orchard Road, a colleague sent me the now-famous faked picture of a dragon boat team paddling past Tangs with the words: “So never in Singapore, you say?”

Well, at least it shows Singaporeans can laugh in the face of adversity. A friend and fellow columnist wrote on his Facebook page: “By the rivers of Orchard Road, where we sat down. And there we wept, when we remembered Ion.”

And everyone has his favourite theory as to why Singapore is facing its worst floods in more than 50 years.

Like my Facebook friend, some said Ion Orchard (which incidentally was jointly developed by a Hong Kong company) was to blame. Before, the hill absorbed the rainwater, but now, it slides off the fancy roof to pool at the junction of Scotts and Orchard Roads.

Others are convinced the construction of Marina Bay Sands is the culprit. “They had to drain the water for easy access.

That’s why not all Marina Barrages’ gates were open at first,” a friend ventured.

Still others are convinced there is a feng shui explanation behind the floods — something to do with the designs of the casinos, I think, but that explanation is beyond me.

I certainly don’t remember such floods in Singapore ever.

When I was looking for places to buy, people warned me off low-lying areas such as Opera Estate and anywhere close to the Bukit Timah Canal.

But that was just as a “by the way”.

Nobody thought floods were a serious problem.

And in my 10 years of driving, I never encountered a flood that couldn’t be surmounted by my trusty jeep or even my low-slung hatchback.

The worst I’d faced was when the water seeped in through the gap beneath the car doors and wet the floormats — but that was about it. Water didn’t go anywhere near the engine.

I think what’s most sobering about the floods is that they remind us just how vulnerable Singapore is. Most areas are no more than 15 metres above sea level.

In fact, the Central Business District is less than 2m above sea level.

They show us that no matter how much we think we’re in control of our urban landscape, we are still at the MERCY of Mother Nature.

So there’s not much we can do, short of building an air-conditioned dome to protect the whole country from the environment (and why not, seeing as Singapore’s economy is growing at such a blistering rate).

In the meantime, I will pack my rain boots. And, seeing as some say thousand dollar bags are just floating out of the stores these days, possibly some scuba gear as well in case I need to go deep-sea shopping.

Tabitha Wang wishes she’d boughtshares in Singapore Ducktours.

 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 12:52  
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BUDGET  TAi TAI

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But my spirits have been dampened somewhat by the news of the flash floods over the past weekend, the third time they’ve struck the island since June 16.

What should I pack? Will I be tucking into my favourite hawker food perched on a stool while water swirls around me?

Usually, my suitcase is full of sundresses, sandals and slippers, but this time, I am seriously considering packing my typhoon gear of wellingtons and anorak, too.

I bought those boots in Bangkok on a shopping trip with my Singaporean friends. And I remember they were all laughing and asking me: “Just how bad is the drainage in Hong Kong again?”

Pretty bad, actually. Because Hong Kong has lots of mountains, many of its streets are pretty steep so, whenever there is a downpour, they become instant waterfalls.

The water can turn ankle-deep in a matter of minutes — which is why many Hongkongers wear rain boots when there is a thunderstorm warning.

I used to complain so much about those tiny floods at first. “This would never have happened in Singapore,” I’d grouse to my colleagues.

I’m having to eat my words now.
ue to luck more than planning, I will be home this weekend, in time to catch the Singapore Food Festival.

 

 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 12:44  
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http://www.todayonline.com/PrintEdition/SL

Singapore circa 1974.

Why rage against the floods when you’ve got free, impromptu swimming pools at your doorstep?

PHOTO COURTESY RUHAYA MOHD ESA/MY LI FE: THEN AND NOW PHOTO CONTEST

 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 12:39  
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BUDGET Tai-TaI

Home, home in the rain

I’m heading back to Singapore, wellingtons in my suitcase

Tabitha Wang
 
 
Hulumas
    23-Jul-2010 12:30  
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You are too proud of yourself perhaps! May I know if you are qualified to say that? Be respect to old people please! I hope you are not Singaporean by the way!

knightrider      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 12:08) Posted:



Aiya, when old please admit old la ! Already 3/4 inside the coffin. still want to occupy the tiolet bowl,

霸主茅坑不拉屎 and yet say something not constructive at all. Retired la, the more you talk the more your are wronged ! Old liao please step down and go hospital more often to see your bed-dridden old woman !

 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 12:22  
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INNOVATION   IS   DIVERSITY

EINSTEIN said, "It is CRACY to expect things to CHANGE if you yourself DON'T CHANGE"

CHANGE  like  BARRACK  OBAMA

LEADERSHIP  is  INCLUSIVITY
 

 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 12:16  
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If   HIRING  all the SAME TYPE all the times,

there is NO  DIVERSITIES AT ALL ? ? ? ?

Equivalent to YES MEN YES WOMEN YES PARADIGM

ALL THINKING IN THE SAME BOX ? ? ? ?

Probably ONLY ONE PERSON is THINKING ALL THE TIMES

THE REST ARE NOT THINGKING ? ? ? ?

ALL SWITCHED  OFF ? ? ? ?

 

EINSTEIN said, "It is CRACY to expect things to CHANGE if you yourself DON'T CHANGE"

CHANGE  like  BARRACK  OBAMA

 



pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 12:08) Posted:



sEEms

MERITOCRACY  is  nOt  MERITOCRACY  ? ? ? ?

NOT  REALLY  TRUE ? ? ? ?

mOre  like  MEDIOCRACY  ? ? ? ?

MERITOCRACY  IS NOT  THE  BEST  AT  ALL ? ? ? ?

PS: MEDIOCRACY  is  MUD and WATER ? ? ? ?

 

 
 
knightrider
    23-Jul-2010 12:08  
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Aiya, when old please admit old la ! Already 3/4 inside the coffin. still want to occupy the tiolet bowl,

霸主茅坑不拉屎 and yet say something not constructive at all. Retired la, the more you talk the more your are wronged ! Old liao please step down and go hospital more often to see your bed-dridden old woman !
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 12:08  
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sEEms

MERITOCRACY  is  nOt  MERITOCRACY  ? ? ? ?

NOT  REALLY  TRUE ? ? ? ?

mOre  like  MEDIOCRACY  ? ? ? ?

MERITOCRACY  IS NOT  THE  BEST  AT  ALL ? ? ? ?

PS: MEDIOCRACY  is  MUD and WATER ? ? ? ?

 
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 11:59  
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sEEms

GILBERT  TAN  Hee  Khian

would make an EXCELLENT  PUB  CEO

? ? ? ?



pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 11:45) Posted:

Pumps and water tanks

Letter from Gilbert Tan Hee Khian

The MRT line and many new commercial buildings and high-rise apartments in and around Orchard Road have reduced much of the land surface and underground area for water to run off.

To address this, new developments could be required to build storm drains beneath the buildings, with mechanised devices to pump water in the event of heavy rainstorms.

Additional water tanks can be constructed in between or on top of buildings to alleviate flooding; water from the tanks can be released in a coordinated manner when the storm blows over.


 
 
niuyear
    23-Jul-2010 11:59  
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Engineers  come out to talk,   next,    will  be   the   Chief  of    Insurance companies.....  slowly, one by one to be scrutinised.  

Insurance companies will  'Avoid'  to take up insruance against flooded Shop houses etc......;   How could they?  They change their policies like changing underwear.  Shop owners should petition against these companies man
 

 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 11:54  
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sEEms

DR HUEN  Yeong Kong

would be an EXCELLENT CHIEF of  NEA

 



pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 11:38) Posted:

A solution above ground?

Letter from Dr Huen Yeong Kong

As a retired engineer, I think it is premature to announce that there is no engineering solution to the repeated flooding problems.

It is true we have no space at ground level to widen all the drains. But a well designed, above-ground canal network would intercept at least 25 per cent of the heavy downpour and save Singapore from most flooding.

Yes, it is expensive, but it is not impossible because these superstructures would also support solar panels and provide shade that would save air-conditioning energy cost.

This is a win-win situation, so why have our civil engineers not pointed this out?


 
 
niuyear
    23-Jul-2010 11:54  
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then, he must be sacked.  lol!

pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 11:51) Posted:

sEEms

James ANG

is an EXCELLENT  ADVISOR

to  MINISTER  MENTOR 

? ? ? ?

 



pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 11:32) Posted:

Surely there’s a way?

Letter from James Ang

I refer to the article “No way to prevent floods: MM Lee” (June 22). Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said that “whatever we do when we get extraordinary rains like we had recently, no amount of engineering can prevent flooding”.

With all due respect to Mr Lee, his remark is disappointing, coming from an inspirational leader who has taken a 600‑qkm island with squatters and swamps to a 700‑q-km First World nation with an unmatched infrastructure in this region.

I was expecting a “never-say-die” attitude, challenging PUB’s engineers to come up with an innovative solution.

The official cause of the floods has changed from

a “once-in-50 years” event,

to a culvert in Tanglin,

to a by-product of Typhoon Conson,

to the Stamford canal

—and I am not confident if PUB has really nailed the root cause or causes to be able to develop a holistic solution.

Mr Lee’s view also seems in contrast to the PUB CEO’s statement that the flood in Orchard Road was “unacceptable”.

Singapore has overcome so many insurmountable obstacles over the years.

Citizens have always backed the authorities when a tough but practical decision has to be made to solve a problem, and I expect more challenges ahead —but a defeatist attitude is surely not the way forward.

Singapore has always overcome the odds — why not a flooding problem?



 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 11:51  
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sEEms

James ANG

is an EXCELLENT  ADVISOR

to  MINISTER  MENTOR 

? ? ? ?

 



pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Jul-2010 11:32) Posted:

Surely there’s a way?

Letter from James Ang

I refer to the article “No way to prevent floods: MM Lee” (June 22). Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said that “whatever we do when we get extraordinary rains like we had recently, no amount of engineering can prevent flooding”.

With all due respect to Mr Lee, his remark is disappointing, coming from an inspirational leader who has taken a 600‑qkm island with squatters and swamps to a 700‑q-km First World nation with an unmatched infrastructure in this region.

I was expecting a “never-say-die” attitude, challenging PUB’s engineers to come up with an innovative solution.

The official cause of the floods has changed from

a “once-in-50 years” event,

to a culvert in Tanglin,

to a by-product of Typhoon Conson,

to the Stamford canal

—and I am not confident if PUB has really nailed the root cause or causes to be able to develop a holistic solution.

Mr Lee’s view also seems in contrast to the PUB CEO’s statement that the flood in Orchard Road was “unacceptable”.

Singapore has overcome so many insurmountable obstacles over the years.

Citizens have always backed the authorities when a tough but practical decision has to be made to solve a problem, and I expect more challenges ahead —but a defeatist attitude is surely not the way forward.

Singapore has always overcome the odds — why not a flooding problem?


 
 
pharoah88
    23-Jul-2010 11:45  
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Pumps and water tanks

Letter from Gilbert Tan Hee Khian

The MRT line and many new commercial buildings and high-rise apartments in and around Orchard Road have reduced much of the land surface and underground area for water to run off.

To address this, new developments could be required to build storm drains beneath the buildings, with mechanised devices to pump water in the event of heavy rainstorms.

Additional water tanks can be constructed in between or on top of buildings to alleviate flooding; water from the tanks can be released in a coordinated manner when the storm blows over.

 
 
niuyear
    23-Jul-2010 11:40  
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LKY should not come out and talk first,  he should wait and should let the minister talk.   Who has given him the 'green light to come infront of the public to talk about flood,, must be goondo staff.
 
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