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AK_Francis
    23-Aug-2009 15:48  
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Fascinating economy news fr US last Fri, cum DJ surged 3 digits.

As ds post title stated, for those who hold d stocks since d credit crunch, likely u will see bright light not a far future. However, if for those who bought( be it local, US or HSI, even foreign stock trusts) acc or avg stocks after 9 Mar ds yr, u will be likely shined soonest, be it lose less or making kopi $ liao. Cheers loh.
 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 15:40  
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OK ...OK..I want to be famous...like famous Amos cookies right???..

but if oct come..maket ..really lau sia...then i will be famous..but you be sad...but i am happy, but not becos u lose money, becos time for me to buy gold and silver...another prediction going to come true for me..

but if market didnt lau sai, i also famous,,,for making wrong call..

but how abt my stock call???..hyfluxWT.and mermaid...we see next wk...not next yr...we see,then next time ..

i dont call anymore, because so chun already...you want u got to pay me ..like HS Dent..



idesa168      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:33) Posted:

hehehe...you constantly denied in many of your posts that you are not here to make yourself popular, makes me feels the other way...hahaha. Whichever the case, keep your posts flowing!

cheongwee      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:19) Posted:

No, you are wrong, i just say what i think and feel, i dont make $$$ fr this, neither am i standing for election to make myself popular..in shjunction..

and last but not least, no offence...you ppl are not related to me even a single hair..

so there is no reason, that i shd want to help you to make $$$...

my view, can cause you to lose $$$ ..also..



 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 15:33  
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OK, late summer is near, we see...but he did call dow 9800..oil 70 in June and many more correctly..how can all be right?

if can 60% right ..ok with me...just like my hearing of market rumuor abt stock...even 30% at this point of time make me money....healthway, mermaid...now hyfluxwt...this one next wk...i am waiting to see...not a call to buy...

but if he is right, you got lot more to lose...

u must see all those market expert, updated their prediciton fr time to time..which expert dont..

but to rub off all his prediction base on one wrong is wrong..



ronleech      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:15) Posted:



Predicted DOW 38000 - 40000 now downgraded to 3800? 90% of different?

My god, i know i can predict better then him on this...

 

 
idesa168
    23-Aug-2009 15:33  
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hehehe...you constantly denied in many of your posts that you are not here to make yourself popular, makes me feels the other way...hahaha. Whichever the case, keep your posts flowing!

cheongwee      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:19) Posted:

No, you are wrong, i just say what i think and feel, i dont make $$$ fr this, neither am i standing for election to make myself popular..in shjunction..

and last but not least, no offence...you ppl are not related to me even a single hair..

so there is no reason, that i shd want to help you to make $$$...

my view, can cause you to lose $$$ ..also..



idesa168      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:04) Posted:



I have no doubt in you that you are here to benefit from the talks you were doing. We are all here to share and I can sense your sincerity to help and share. Holding stocks and sells quickly is quite a simple thing. But to hold real estate and let go at times of dropping is a big task.

3800 is too nice number. I will take 4444!


 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 15:19  
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No, you are wrong, i just say what i think and feel, i dont make $$$ fr this, neither am i standing for election to make myself popular..in shjunction..

and last but not least, no offence...you ppl are not related to me even a single hair..

so there is no reason, that i shd want to help you to make $$$...

my view, can cause you to lose $$$ ..also..



idesa168      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:04) Posted:



I have no doubt in you that you are here to benefit from the talks you were doing. We are all here to share and I can sense your sincerity to help and share. Holding stocks and sells quickly is quite a simple thing. But to hold real estate and let go at times of dropping is a big task.

3800 is too nice number. I will take 4444!

 
 
ronleech
    23-Aug-2009 15:15  
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Predicted DOW 38000 - 40000 now downgraded to 3800? 90% of different?

My god, i know i can predict better then him on this...
 

 
smartrader
    23-Aug-2009 15:13  
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Tuesday, March 24, 2009

Dent vs. Schumpeter . . . and Kurzweil

The feverishly anti-business tone coming out of Washington, as well as the promise of greatly expanded government intrusion into industries from health care to energy, the prospect of significantly higher taxes in years ahead, and the threat of tremendously expanded government spending and budget deficits, has many investors wondering if we are heading for an economic re-run of the 1970s, or worse.

A new book out from demographic prognosticator Harry S. Dent, entitled The Great Depression Ahead, paints a grim picture of deflation, depression and economic decline in the US and advises readers to invest in China and India. In a recent interview about the book, Dent declared, "stocks have to go back to about 3800" (presumably he means 3800 on the Dow, which Dent uses for most of his predictions, such as his statement in 2004 that "we are still predicting a Dow as high as 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010" -- see The Next Great Bubble Boom by the same author).

Dire scenarios like Dent's are getting plenty of traction these days, and the economic mis-steps in government make it easy to fall into despair about the road ahead. However, as we have written before, even in times of excessive government intrusion and economic malaise, such as the 1970s in this country, there are well-run companies that are creating new fields of growth or taking advantage of major paradigm shifts, and investors would be wise to seek them out rather than just owning the "entire market" as often counseled by "wealth managers".

Those who believe, like Harry Dent, that economic prosperity is governed by blind cycles outside of human control miss the central role that innovation plays in economic progress. In his most recent book, Dent states: "The truth is that Newton was right in his theory of simple and clock-like cycles. [. . .] Our economy has peaked every forty years, like clockwork-- and commodity prices have peaked every thirty years. The early part of most decades starts off weak, even in boom times. Every four years the stock market tends to take a significant correction, and about every four months it often does so again on a more minor scale" (pages 3-4).

If Dent indeed holds this position, it would be interesting to ask him how his predictions could swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800.

Noted Austrian economist Joseph Schumpeter held almost the opposite view from Dent's deterministic model. He held that free enterprise continues to create greater and greater progress, not by choice but by necessity. He wrote that the free operation of individuals and businesses within any given industry "incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one" -- that business in a capitalistic system "not only never is but never can be stationary."

This is an incredibly important truth for investors to understand, and it is why we are confident that innovation will be the engine that continues to drive prosperity, even in spite of the clumsy and unnecessary government intrusions which will probably be on the rise for the near future.

The scenarios of extreme pessimists, like Harry Dent (who were recently extreme optimists), generally ignore innovation altogether or predict that innovation has basically come to an end. In an interview just a month ago in the Minneapolis-St. Paul StarTribune, Mr. Dent ended by saying that innovation will not have much impact in the next couple of decades, because new innovation from here will just be incremental, not revolutionary.

He said "The iPhone's going to get better, broadband is going to get better, but you don't get the same impact from those improvements that you do from the adoptions of computers and cell phones." In other words, he sees only "sustaining innovation," not truly "disruptive innovation," in the terminology developed by Clayton Christensen. Harry Dent basically believes that innovation is tied to impersonal cycles just like everything else, and when the innovation cycle is on the way down, innovation will not make much impact.

This is as foolish as the apocryphal story of the Patent Office Commissioner who supposedly suggested to President McKinley that the US close the Patent Office in 1899, because "everything that could be invented had already been invented."

Not only do we not believe that innovation is bound up by multi-decade cycles as Dent argues, but we believe that the evidence shows that the pace of innovation increases over time. In fact, inventor and entrepreneur Ray Kurzweil, whom the Wall Street Journal calls "the restless genius" and Forbes magazine calls "the ultimate thinking machine," has observed that the pace of innovation increases not in a linear fashion but rather in an exponential fashion (see graph below).













In his 2005 book The Singularity is Near, Kurzweil says: "The future is widely misunderstood. Our forebears expected it to be pretty much like their present, which had been pretty much like their past. Exponential trends did exist one thousand years ago, but they were at that very early stage in which they were so flat and so slow that they looked like no trend at all. As a result, observers' expectations of an unchanged future were fulfilled. Today, we anticipate continuous technological progress and the social repercussions that follow. But the future will be far more surprising than most people realize, because few observers have truly internalized the implications of the fact that the rate of change itself is accelerating" (pages 10-11).

In fact, there are many innovations that are going to be quite revolutionary in the years ahead, and we have discussed some of them in previous posts such as this one and this one.

We have often stated that we do not make predictions about the next move of the overall market, and we don't suggest that investors try to time economic cycles. We do believe that the prospect of less economic freedom should give investors cause for concern, but we also believe that there will be innovation that will drive growth, and that investors who put forth the effort to seek it out have cause for continued optimism.


 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 15:09  
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idesa168...you  believe or not...i got nothing to lose...i just got bad rating...i did not lose $$.

but if it is true,,,,, i know ppl hold stock and emotion got over...they lose silently anfd heavy..

they hold, wait for market to come back up...but it go down ,day to day...cant sleep and eat , right..

i know, i was one like that yrs back...

Important point is to prepare and protect yourself...on very bad news...dont hold, sell fast...if u cannot do it to all your holding becos too big....in one day...wait days later and sell to strength during a rebounce...normally 2 to 3 days..later..
 
 
idesa168
    23-Aug-2009 15:04  
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I have no doubt in you that you are here to benefit from the talks you were doing. We are all here to share and I can sense your sincerity to help and share. Holding stocks and sells quickly is quite a simple thing. But to hold real estate and let go at times of dropping is a big task.

3800 is too nice number. I will take 4444!
 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 15:00  
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you say dont believe,,but did not dow actually drop fr 14000 to a low of 6547???..

HS Dent said 3800 to 5000...dont take the low end..



idesa168      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 14:48) Posted:



I have watched the video and felt a little unbelievable for DOW to fall to 3,800 when it's now 9,500.  Well I am just a commoner. When Dow was trading at 14,000, I won't want to believe that it will drop to 7,500, however I believe when it was near  9,000.

I remembered Cheongwee agressively recommeded gold when gold was trading at US$690. He said that it will go pass US$1,000 in 3 months time. It happened, it shot up to US$1,200. I bought a little to hedge my open position. Did made some from gold but got burned from stock holding. Anyway thanks to him that my lost was reduced by buying gold at that time. SO this time round, should I believe in cheongwee to believe in H Dent?...hahaha...

In the video H Dent recommend to liquidate real estate. I am not sure about that as properties usually trail behind stock mkt by about 6 months. Looking at the mkt now that it charges fearlessly up, it will probably rally in 6 mths time before it will drop. 6 mths from now will definitely surpass the late summer H Dent was talking about. If one is staying in HDB, I believe the damage will not be great as compared to those staying in private properties.

Just my 2 cents worth of view!

 

 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:57  
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Just ask yourself...what if this guy is wrong, what i got to lose?

then ask again, what if this guy is right, what have i to gain?

jusst ask..and look at your investemnt...

but like i say and u know market drop in a worse case scenario will be steep...

it take 6 mths to reach 9500...it can only take 2 mthn to go 5000...did not u see it in 2007 and 2008..drop like a stone..

the most you got less profit...but if it come true...you lose a bomb..

but you need not sell and get out, you can play along and be alert...on a big bad news , sell fast..

that is why it is good to just focus on a few counter...you can unload fast...

but since you like gold and silver...i will be buying later...

i belive 2010 belong to gold and silver...

 



idesa168      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 14:48) Posted:



I have watched the video and felt a little unbelievable for DOW to fall to 3,800 when it's now 9,500.  Well I am just a commoner. When Dow was trading at 14,000, I won't want to believe that it will drop to 7,500, however I believe when it was near  9,000.

I remembered Cheongwee agressively recommeded gold when gold was trading at US$690. He said that it will go pass US$1,000 in 3 months time. It happened, it shot up to US$1,200. I bought a little to hedge my open position. Did made some from gold but got burned from stock holding. Anyway thanks to him that my lost was reduced by buying gold at that time. SO this time round, should I believe in cheongwee to believe in H Dent?...hahaha...

In the video H Dent recommend to liquidate real estate. I am not sure about that as properties usually trail behind stock mkt by about 6 months. Looking at the mkt now that it charges fearlessly up, it will probably rally in 6 mths time before it will drop. 6 mths from now will definitely surpass the late summer H Dent was talking about. If one is staying in HDB, I believe the damage will not be great as compared to those staying in private properties.

Just my 2 cents worth of view!

 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:48  
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right now...it is $ making time,,try to make as much as we can, before the music stop...

i am looking at hyfluxWT..see next wk in action...seeing is believeing..
 
 
idesa168
    23-Aug-2009 14:48  
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I have watched the video and felt a little unbelievable for DOW to fall to 3,800 when it's now 9,500.  Well I am just a commoner. When Dow was trading at 14,000, I won't want to believe that it will drop to 7,500, however I believe when it was near  9,000.

I remembered Cheongwee agressively recommeded gold when gold was trading at US$690. He said that it will go pass US$1,000 in 3 months time. It happened, it shot up to US$1,200. I bought a little to hedge my open position. Did made some from gold but got burned from stock holding. Anyway thanks to him that my lost was reduced by buying gold at that time. SO this time round, should I believe in cheongwee to believe in H Dent?...hahaha...

In the video H Dent recommend to liquidate real estate. I am not sure about that as properties usually trail behind stock mkt by about 6 months. Looking at the mkt now that it charges fearlessly up, it will probably rally in 6 mths time before it will drop. 6 mths from now will definitely surpass the late summer H Dent was talking about. If one is staying in HDB, I believe the damage will not be great as compared to those staying in private properties.

Just my 2 cents worth of view!
 
 
smartrader
    23-Aug-2009 14:45  
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...i bought a lot of mermaid..
 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:37  
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you means they are good in increasing the debt of US...printing money???..

they can borrow their way to riches,,,..that is years back when US is strong...

now they borrow their way to the grave yard soon!!!!



smartrader      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 14:27) Posted:



Watch Warren interview on 24 Jun 09.   Ponder over the transcripts and form your own conclusion/guiding principle in investing. Basically, it is accepted that money markets will have its virtue and vicious cycle - but stay investing for long term to beat inflation .....

BTL (Bern, Tim, Larry) are 3 very good people Obama has ...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31526815

 

 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:33  
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WB method can no longer work..come after late summer...you know why,,,

smartrader      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 14:27) Posted:



Watch Warren interview on 24 Jun 09.   Ponder over the transcripts and form your own conclusion/guiding principle in investing. Basically, it is accepted that money markets will have its virtue and vicious cycle - but stay investing for long term to beat inflation .....

BTL (Bern, Tim, Larry) are 3 very good people Obama has ...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31526815

 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:30  
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you talk easy...how many ppl dare to buy in March 2008...i dont thk u are one of them...when u see market lau sai...u follow lau sai also...faster sell...right???

but you are right in a way...sell first, buy back cheaper later...

but to buy...few dare..really..

to talk now is easy...because it is bull...



ronleech      ( Date: 22-Aug-2009 22:57) Posted:



Hhahahaha...if i am someone who is influence enough, i will say STI will hit 500pts, DOW going to 1500, sse bottoming out at 888pts...all panic throw, i will rent lorry truck to collect those "junk" all ppl dumping.....well, at the end of the end and by the time all other notice, i already make a pile....

 
 
smartrader
    23-Aug-2009 14:27  
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Watch Warren interview on 24 Jun 09.   Ponder over the transcripts and form your own conclusion/guiding principle in investing. Basically, it is accepted that money markets will have its virtue and vicious cycle - but stay investing for long term to beat inflation .....

BTL (Bern, Tim, Larry) are 3 very good people Obama has ...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31526815
 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:26  
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if i am not wrong your Asaitic( r u the one who recommend this) is wrong...even if it is good...nobody is interested in it...equal no liquidity is lousy...maybr u need to hold like WB till ppl notice....which going to take years...wait long long...

smartrader      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 13:22) Posted:

Ok ok ok...if someone says a number closer to heart, I will understand what he is talking or he knows what he is talking..  but if the number cannot be comprehend fully, i think this person must be good in astrology (like Zhu Ge Liang).. hehe.

 
 
cheongwee
    23-Aug-2009 14:24  
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even a number close to heart., does not means a thing...the most important you play it right..your number add up positive and right...ary u one of them???

those bought 2007 end ,,,still sitting on losse...unless he bought fearlessil in Apri toMay this yr...make money...or at worst break even...

i thk 90%...play it wrong..



smartrader      ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 13:22) Posted:

Ok ok ok...if someone says a number closer to heart, I will understand what he is talking or he knows what he is talking..  but if the number cannot be comprehend fully, i think this person must be good in astrology (like Zhu Ge Liang).. hehe.

 
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