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giantlow
    15-Feb-2007 10:49  
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what is the point of a crazy cold winter?

SPC doesn't track the oil prices mah.

We need a rating upgrade!!!!
 
 
nickyng
    15-Feb-2007 09:23  
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ok ok...got ur msg ! i wont short this wk ok? hee...told u..tide for SPC is turning..hang on..as the days draw nearer to the AGM on 25-Apr...stock price shld ease upwards ! :P
 
 
chinkiasu
    15-Feb-2007 09:16  
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sorry for the extras.. big boo2.  but anyway a picture is better...

 

 
chinkiasu
    15-Feb-2007 09:07  
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Winter Storm Moves to East Coast
Published: February 14, 2007


Schools were closed, airline flights were delayed and commuters were miserable today as a snow and ice storm reached the East Coast after paralyzing parts of Midwest on Tuesday
 
 
KiLrOy
    15-Feb-2007 00:13  
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[15:30 US TECHS: Commodities Outlook; Gold and Oil] Boston, February 14.       
[Gold] has retested precisely its peak levels set on continuous COMEX futures charts from mid-July with today"s advance.  On charts of Apr futures, an Elliott wave fourth wave pullback would target either side of $650, and fifth wave objectives to either side of $700.  Weekly and monthly targets for the contract point to objectives of $680-700.  Lags in daily momentum will be overcome with continued buying.  Intraday supports are at $672-673.50 currently.  There are  few obvious reasons to be bearish at present.
[Oil] remains in a just-under-$4 range for February so far, with the edge given to bears due to continued weak showings by relative strength and other momentum oscillators, the failure to stay above 40- and 50-day moving averages, and the spike left on charts last Friday.  Daily trend models turn bearish today below $59 Mar but weekly bull trends will stay in force unless $57 is closed below (at week"s end).  Bearish monthly trends have not given way, nor been under much of a threat of doing so, an important backdrop and a good reason to stay very defensive. 
Joel.Marver@thomson.com
 
 
chinkiasu
    15-Feb-2007 00:01  
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it is freezing cold right now in wall street  NY,NY



yet, Bloomberg (if one is to believe them) says Oil Drops as Imminent Warm U.S. Weather May Trim Heating Demand


By Eduard Gismatullin

Feb. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Oil fell because warmer weather expected later this month in the U.S. may reduce heating demand and as traders speculated that crude inventories are growing.

Temperatures in the U.S. Northeast, where four-fifths of the nation's heating oil is burned, will ``be near or above normal'' in the week to Feb. 27, according to the National Weather Service. U.S. crude oil stockpiles probably climbed 1 million barrels in the week ended Feb. 9, according to a Bloomberg News analyst survey before an Energy Department report today.
 

 
iPunter
    14-Feb-2007 17:41  
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Whether you are long or short, you can be right or wrong. 

You will only know the verdict weeks later, when the market shows you.
 
 
nickyng
    14-Feb-2007 09:18  
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ok..usually on i will short this counter today...but i m more cautious now..hee...just gut feel.... :P i believe the tide turning is coming for SPC...hee...BUT that doesn't mean u CANNOT SHORT ! :P
 
 
chinkiasu
    14-Feb-2007 01:37  
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i agree with you giantlow, the DBS sale must certainly have dampen any possible buys by institutional buyers when they get wind of it... but I think now that DBS have made the announcement, it means they may have completed their sale and things hopefuly should be back to normal...

for us what to do... when elephants shit or fart, we squirrels just get suffocated....
 
 
chinkiasu
    14-Feb-2007 01:15  
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my bitter lesson from this: never, never touch warrants.... we will always be at the mercy of the bboys..
 

 
giantlow
    14-Feb-2007 00:57  
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hmm. shplayer.



firstly, i dun think that they release the shares evenly over 20 days.

secondly, the company releasing the shares also matter



I am imagining this in my mind now. broker talk

"did u hear the Temasek release 573 lots of SPC though its associate co, DBS. wah lau eh, we better SELL SELL SELL"
 
 
chipchip66
    14-Feb-2007 00:24  
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We are actually at the mercy of BBs who can swallow and throw out as and when they want. Small fishes always lose out in the end.
 
 
chipchip66
    14-Feb-2007 00:20  
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hi shplayer and other forumers, paiseh lah! No harm intended.
 
 
shplayer
    14-Feb-2007 00:03  
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giantlow,



come on...lets put things into perspective.......573,000 shares is 573 lots....released in 20 trading days => ave 28.6 lots per day. Ave daily trading vol of SPC during that period is 1,442 lots.....=1.98% of trading vol. Surely the market can absorb this.



Anyway, when I assess my investment on any counter, I place 2 factors high on the priority list......capital appreciation potential and div yield. In this way, if the first fails to materialise, there is still the divvy yield to fall back on. So, withthis counter, you still have the div to cover your cost/opportunity cost of funds.
 
 
shplayer
    13-Feb-2007 23:30  
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giantlow,

Sorry, no malice intended ....... just trying to make a point.....and your name came to mind.
 

 
giantlow
    13-Feb-2007 23:28  
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45.02 % represents 231,916,797 shares while 44.85 % represents 231,343,797 shares. This means that the bloody DBS released 573,000 shares into the open market in Dec and Jan.



Even if oil prices rise to $70 per barrel, SPC cannot increase at all if DBS continues to release more SPC shares. Simple demand and supply. sigh....



there is no way i could have factor this into by analysis b4 i bought SPC. gisntlow recommends a short term "STRONG SELL" on SPC. the stock might only recover toward the dividend payout date before continuing the slide
 
 
giantlow
    13-Feb-2007 23:19  
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for those interested in the SGX annoucement

From 45.02 % To 44.85 %

1. Between 12.12.2006 and 11.1.2007, there were a series of sales of shares in Singapore Petroleum Company Limited ("SPC") by the DBS Group Holdings Ltd ("DBS") group of companies. As Temasek directly and indirectly owns approximately 28% of DBS, Temasek is deemed to have an interest in any SPC shares held by the DBS group of companies.

2. Between 8.12.2006 and 8.2.207, the total issued SPC shares (excluding shares held in treasury) increased from 515,093,357 to 515,823,357 as a result of the issuance of new shares by SPC and the transfer of shares held in treasury to SPC employees pursuant to the SPC Restricted Share Plan and SPC Performance Share Plan.  
 
 
giantlow
    13-Feb-2007 23:18  
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aiyoh. shplayer. thanks for your concern. i will finish reading the SGX announcement before getting any heart attack lah.



hahaha



i've kinda accepted that there is no way for my SPC to recover strongly in the short term. now the question is how to exit and minimise losses.
 
 
shplayer
    13-Feb-2007 23:14  
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chipchip66,

If you read the announcement carefully, there was a 'series of transactions' by DBS between 12 Dec 06 to 11 Jan 07,which included increase of issued SPCshares due to the employee share option scheme.



Because Temasek is a substantial shareholder of DBS, they were reqired to make the announcement due to their indirect interest in SPC.



As far as I know, Temesek does not hold any direct stake in SPC. 



I don't consider this announcement of any significant issue.



This kind of postings, which is obviously quite misleading, can give unsuspecting fellow members (aka giantlow) a heart attack.
 
 
chipchip66
    13-Feb-2007 22:51  
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Temasek just pared down its SPC holdings.
 
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