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pharoah88
    24-Aug-2010 13:00  
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STRADDLER  is  HERE

fOrget  abOut  MRT  and BUSES



pharoah88      ( Date: 19-Aug-2010 21:44) Posted:

 

The STRADDLING BUS that could fix China’s traffic woes

HONG KONG

Try designing a vehicle that takes up no road space. And make it partly solar- powered.

A company in the southern Chinese town of Shenzhen has done just that. To address the country’s problems with traffic and air quality, Shenzhen Huashi Future Parking Equipment has developed a decidedly odd-looking, extra-wide and extra-tall vehicle that can carry up to 1,200 passengers.

Though it is dubbed the “straddling bus” (picture), Huashi’s invention resembles a train in many respects, but it requires neither elevated tracks nor extensive tunnelling. Its passenger compartment spans the width of two traffic lanes and sits high above the road surface, thanks to a pair of fence-like stilts that leave the road clear for ordinary cars to pass underneath.

It runs along a fixed route.

Huashi’s outsize invention, 6m wide, is to be powered by a combination of municipal electricity and solar power derived from panels mounted on the roofs of the vehicles and at bus stops.

A pilot project for the vehicle is in the works in Beijing and several other Chinese cities have shown interest.

The company says the vehicle, which will travel at an average speed of 40km an hour, could reduce traffic jams by 25 per cent to 30 per cent on main routes.

The Straddling Bus could replace up to 40 conventional buses, potentially saving the 860 tonnes of fuel that 40 buses would consume annually and preventing 2,640 tonnes of carbon emissions, said Mr Youzhou Song, the vehicle’s designer.

The cost of construction — 50 million yuan ($10 million) for one bus and about 40.2km of route facilities — is roughly one-tenth what it costs to build a subway of the same length, he said.— What do you do if your roads are congested and polluted?

THE NEW YORK TIMES


 
 
pharoah88
    24-Aug-2010 12:56  
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Simplifying the fare system

Let’s use distances as the crow flies

Letter from Lim Poh Seng

I AGREE with Ms Neo Chai Chin’s commentary, “‘Fairer fares’ message lost in transition” (Aug 23).

The extremely complicated new fare structure seems to suggest that only the Public Transport Council (PTC), public transport operators and Land Transport Authority will be able to explain to the public how fares are calculated. Factoring in the time taken to make a transfer between train lines complicates matters.

The train system in some cities (Bangkok and Paris, for example) sees the city divided into a certain number of zones. If you travel to another stop within the same zone, you pay the base price for travelling with a single zone.

When you cross zones, you pay according to the number of zones crossed.

Hence the fares are, in effect, distance-based fares. Furthermore, it is easily explained and digested by the public.

However, commuters travelling a short distance within a single zone have to pay the same fare as others who travel longer distances within the same zone, which some might view as unfair.

Singapore’s distance-based structure is therefore, in theory, a better system.

But to minimise the confusion, and to make the fares transparent to all, why not base fares solely on distance between destinations as the crow flies — not dependent on a train’s route, or factoring in transfer times?

The distances as the crow flies can be determined very easily at the Government website

Wouldn’t it make sense for the fares to be roughly on par?

Involving the time factor in fare calculations when we have been given to understand that fares are distancebased just makes the system more complex.

This flaw in our system must be addressed quickly because as Singapore adds more bus and train routes, the number of combinations to reach our destination will only increase.

I am sure that if the system is simple and seen to be fair, and without ambiguity, even those who have to pay more will come to accept the system.onemap.sg. The distance between Marymount Station and Nicoll Highway and Bras Basah stations are 6km, and 5.9km, respectively, yet the corresponding fares are $1.66 and $1.40.

 
 
niuyear
    24-Aug-2010 12:50  
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Conclusion :

If public transports is  hell of a problem to some people,  then,  plse go and buy a car.  but, then, dont complain there are too many ERP, road tax,...........whatever....................!!!

If still want to complain,  then,, move to a place near  to public transport, shopping where one needs not take public transport except perhaps, to and from work.......

Fair enough???
 

 
niuyear
    24-Aug-2010 12:44  
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Conculsion  :

 

If 'TIME'  =  MONEY :  I wont mind paying more just to have  a shorter route to travel to where i want to go .
 
 
pharoah88
    24-Aug-2010 12:41  
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In  STATISTICS,  this CASE belongs to one of the two TAILS on the Population Distribtuion BELL CURVE.

It is an eXceptIOn rather than the nOrm.

It is nOt the BAD TAIL,  BLACK  SWARM, which brought the World Financial Tsunami.

Rather, it is the GOOD TAIL,  WHITE  DUCK.

Both  WHITE DUCK and BLACK SWARM are the mInOrItIes.

nOt  the  majOrIty  of  pOpulatIOn.

bOth  WHITE  DUCK  and  BLACK  SWARM  are  nOt  REPRESENTATIVE  Of  the  WHOLE  POPULATION ?



pharoah88      ( Date: 24-Aug-2010 12:35) Posted:

Distance-based fare saves time, money

Letter from Tan Hong Boon

I REFER to Ms Angie Lim’s letter “New distancebased fare cheaper but ...” (Aug 23).

For the past few years, I have been travelling from my home in Serangoon North to my church in Henderson Road by Service 132. Under the old fare system, this option was the cheapest. However, it was also the most time-consuming. The bus journey alone took me about an hour, excluding waiting time.

Of course, I have other options. I could travel by Service 25 to the Ang Mo Kio MRT Station, then take a train to the Redhill MRT Station before switching to Service 145 to get to my destination. Alternatively, I could take Service 74 to MacRitchie Reservoir before transferring to Service 855.

Although these alternative routes would take me less time, I rarely used them because it would cost me much more money.

Since the new distance-based fares kicked in, however, I have changed my travelling habits. I have been taking Service 74 and transferring to Service 855 to get to church.

Not only is the travelling time shorter, it is also cheaper. Were I to take Service 132 now, it would cost me an extra 17 cents and an extra 15 minutes.

In retrospect, the distance-based fare system has had one distinct advantage for me — it has forced me to think of alternative ways to save time and money.


 
 
pharoah88
    24-Aug-2010 12:35  
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Distance-based fare saves time, money

Letter from Tan Hong Boon

I REFER to Ms Angie Lim’s letter “New distancebased fare cheaper but ...” (Aug 23).

For the past few years, I have been travelling from my home in Serangoon North to my church in Henderson Road by Service 132. Under the old fare system, this option was the cheapest. However, it was also the most time-consuming. The bus journey alone took me about an hour, excluding waiting time.

Of course, I have other options. I could travel by Service 25 to the Ang Mo Kio MRT Station, then take a train to the Redhill MRT Station before switching to Service 145 to get to my destination. Alternatively, I could take Service 74 to MacRitchie Reservoir before transferring to Service 855.

Although these alternative routes would take me less time, I rarely used them because it would cost me much more money.

Since the new distance-based fares kicked in, however, I have changed my travelling habits. I have been taking Service 74 and transferring to Service 855 to get to church.

Not only is the travelling time shorter, it is also cheaper. Were I to take Service 132 now, it would cost me an extra 17 cents and an extra 15 minutes.

In retrospect, the distance-based fare system has had one distinct advantage for me — it has forced me to think of alternative ways to save time and money.

 

 
pharoah88
    24-Aug-2010 12:29  
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The  REALITY

TRICKY  WAY  TO  INCREASE  FARE

ON  DIRECT  TRAVEL  

nO  gOOd  reasOn

can  be  used  tO  increase  dIrect  travel  fares



Farmer      ( Date: 23-Aug-2010 12:40) Posted:



The new fare system to me maybe fair. However, it will not help save $$ for the majority commuters as they claim, it's actually the opposite. Having said that, I've purposely trial a same journey/route with 3 different mode(Bus, Train, Bus-train) my own, and compare it with the old fare system. The results are as follows:

Bus route fare increase from $1.41 to $ 1.53

Train route fare increase from $1.65 to $1.82

Bus-Train route reduce from $ 1.75 to $1.49

So, 2 increase and 1 reduce......... BUT, even if I choose the cheapest mode(Bus-Train) base on new fare system over the cheapest mode(Bus) base on old fare system with negligible time saving, I still need to pay an extra 8cents per journey. Thus, the fare actually increases overall and this is my conclusion.








 

 
 
Farmer
    23-Aug-2010 12:40  
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The new fare system to me maybe fair. However, it will not help save $$ for the majority commuters as they claim, it's actually the opposite. Having said that, I've purposely trial a same journey/route with 3 different mode(Bus, Train, Bus-train) my own, and compare it with the old fare system. The results are as follows:

Bus route fare increase from $1.41 to $ 1.53

Train route fare increase from $1.65 to $1.82

Bus-Train route reduce from $ 1.75 to $1.49

So, 2 increase and 1 reduce......... BUT, even if I choose the cheapest mode(Bus-Train) base on new fare system over the cheapest mode(Bus) base on old fare system with negligible time saving, I still need to pay an extra 8cents per journey. Thus, the fare actually increases overall and this is my conclusion.








 
 
 
boyikao3
    23-Aug-2010 12:39  
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Oh ! Sex trains in Tokyo is not a secret, you know? There are many people who board crammed packed trains in Tokyo at certain stations just to have quickies or orgies, then they get off (Pun intended!). Maybe SMRT can charge more for such specially designated train cars to increase its profits??

pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Aug-2010 10:14) Posted:



Last weekend, 21 ~ 22 August, i went to and from the Invest Fair by MRT.

The trains were packed and i was perspiring in the Air-cOndItOned train.

When  sitting  down,  the  aIr  flOw  was  iNsufficIent,  sO  I  preferred tO  stand.

Extremely unpleasant travel. 

On Saturday, i sprained my neck while standing in the train due to the cramming into my personal space.

People sticking People [PSP]  sO  clOsely.  fOr WHAT ? 

tO  make  lOve ?

 
 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 11:17  
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WORST - BASED  FARE  SYSTEM:

#  cOnfUsIOn - BASED ?

#  deceptIOn  -  BASED ?

#  errOrs - BASED ?

#  Offguard - BASED ?

#  iNequalIty - BASED ?

#  iNeffIcacy - BASED ?

#  iNeffIcIency - BASED ?

#  iNecOnOmy - BASED ?

#  nOn-LEASTED COST - BASED ?

#  nOn  nOn-prOfit  - BASED ?

#  nOn-vOluntary - BASED ?

#  mOnOpOly - BASED ?

#  nOn-Open Tender - BASED ?

#  nOn prIce  stanIlIty - BASED ?

#  hIgher prIce - BASED ?

# iNflatIOnary - BASED ?

# nOn GRASSrOOt - BASED ?

# nOn  frOm the PEOPLE / by the PEOPLE / fOr the PEOPLE - BASED ?

# cOnflIct  Of  iNterest [COI] - BASED ?    
 

 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 11:01  
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BEST - BASED FARE  SYSTEM:

- PUBLIC NON-PROFIT ?

- OPEN PUBLIC BASED ?

- OPEN PUBLIC TENDER ?

- OPEN  EQUALITY  FARE  SYSTEM ?

- OPEN  PRODUCTIVITY  ASSURANCE ?

- OPEN  EFFICACY / EFFICIENCY / ECONOMY  ASSURANCE ?

- OPEN  INDEPENDENT  PUBLIC  BOARD ?

- OPEN PUBLIC AUDIT ?

- OPEN LEAST  COST  BASED ?

- MINISTERS CIP  as  INDEPENDENT  DIRECTORS ?

- MINISTERS CIP  as  INTERNAL  AUDITORS ?

- MINISTERS  CIP  WALKING  THE  TALK  ? 

- GRASSROOT VOLUNTEERS  should be involved as a NATIONAL FARE COUNCIL   in the  FARE SYSTEM  DESIGN and APPROVAL ?

- frOm  the PEOPLE /  by  the  PEOPLE  / fOr  the  PEOPLE  TRANSPORT  &  FARE  SYSTEM  ?
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 10:39  
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WHATEVER is The NAME ? ? ? ?

DISTANCE - BASED ?

TIME - BASED ?

SPACE - BASED ?

INCOME - BASED ?

AGE - BASED ?

GENDER -BASED ?

CLASS - BASED ?

POLICY - BASED ?

TAX - BASED ?

 

The  bOttOm  lIne:

Are  there  PRICE  INCREASES ? ? ? ?

Are  DIRECT  TRAVEL  PRICES  INCREASED ? ? ? ?

 

RETURN  to  gOOd  Old  BASICS  ? ? ? ?

nO  nEEd  tO  bE  cOmplex  and  cOmplIcated  ? ? ? ?

dOn't  nEEd  PhDs  On  transpOrt  FARES  clarIty   ? ? ? ?

 
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 10:18  
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Latest  shOw  in  tOwn.

LIAR  GAME

DECEPTION  is the Name of the Game
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 10:14  
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Last weekend, 21 ~ 22 August, i went to and from the Invest Fair by MRT.

The trains were packed and i was perspiring in the Air-cOndItOned train.

When  sitting  down,  the  aIr  flOw  was  iNsufficIent,  sO  I  preferred tO  stand.

Extremely unpleasant travel. 

On Saturday, i sprained my neck while standing in the train due to the cramming into my personal space.

People sticking People [PSP]  sO  clOsely.  fOr WHAT ? 

tO  make  lOve ?
 
 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 09:58  
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OVERHEARD at foodcourt:

Are  Minister's  Words  constituting  a  GUARANTEE  and a PROMISE ?

Are  Ministers'  Words  BINDING ?



pharoah88      ( Date: 23-Aug-2010 09:49) Posted:

New distance-based fare system cheaper but ...

Reader now spends more time travelling

Letter from Angie Lim

I REFER to

Transport Minister Raymond Lim was quoted as saying:

“Distance fares don’t force us to make transfers in order to benefit. ... Instead, distance fares allow us to choose the best way to get to our destination without worrying about paying extra if we take a transfer.”

I am not sure this applies to every commuter. I used to take the MRT to work between Toa Payoh and Bedok every day, with a transfer at City Hall MRT Station. Under the new fare structure, this would cost 10 per cent more. So, to save money, I now take the bus from Toa Payoh to Kallang, where I hop aboard the MRT to Bedok.

Yes, this is cheaper than before the fare structure changed.

But the journey is much less pleasant. Instead of taking just the MRT, I now have to wait for the bus, which seems to come at unpredictable frequencies and which has to deal with traffic jams during peak hours.

I also have to walk further, from the bus-stop to the MRT station.

 My usual 40-minute journey now takes an hour — a 50-per-cent leap.

So, yes, I do save some money under distance fares — but at the cost of my time, a trade-off I would rather not have to make.Today’s report on the discussion in Parliament about distance-based publice transport fares (“Despite the fare bumps ...”, Aug 17).

The journey is much less pleasant: Instead of taking just the  MRT, I now have to wait for the unpredictable bus.


 

 
pharoah88
    23-Aug-2010 09:49  
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New distance-based fare system cheaper but ...

Reader now spends more time travelling

Letter from Angie Lim

I REFER to

Transport Minister Raymond Lim was quoted as saying:

“Distance fares don’t force us to make transfers in order to benefit. ... Instead, distance fares allow us to choose the best way to get to our destination without worrying about paying extra if we take a transfer.”

I am not sure this applies to every commuter. I used to take the MRT to work between Toa Payoh and Bedok every day, with a transfer at City Hall MRT Station. Under the new fare structure, this would cost 10 per cent more. So, to save money, I now take the bus from Toa Payoh to Kallang, where I hop aboard the MRT to Bedok.

Yes, this is cheaper than before the fare structure changed.

But the journey is much less pleasant. Instead of taking just the MRT, I now have to wait for the bus, which seems to come at unpredictable frequencies and which has to deal with traffic jams during peak hours.

I also have to walk further, from the bus-stop to the MRT station.

 My usual 40-minute journey now takes an hour — a 50-per-cent leap.

So, yes, I do save some money under distance fares — but at the cost of my time, a trade-off I would rather not have to make.Today’s report on the discussion in Parliament about distance-based publice transport fares (“Despite the fare bumps ...”, Aug 17).

The journey is much less pleasant: Instead of taking just the  MRT, I now have to wait for the unpredictable bus.

 
 
nickyng
    20-Aug-2010 12:05  
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will this all time favourite fall below <$2 becos of impending loss running Circle Lines har? hee....stay tuned ! :P
 
 
pharoah88
    20-Aug-2010 08:37  
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Full of hot air
 
 
pharoah88
    20-Aug-2010 08:35  
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a vehicle that takes up no road space

You  did nOt  sEE  what  yOu  saw ?



KiLrOy      ( Date: 20-Aug-2010 00:49) Posted:

Think again.  Your three lanes road will now be 2 lane road.  You will think they will create an extra lane just for this?  I dont think so. Remember how they created the bus lane?  Did they use the existing road lane for bus lane OR they removed the pavement and space to create the bus lane?

 
 
KiLrOy
    20-Aug-2010 00:49  
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Think again.  Your three lanes road will now be 2 lane road.  You will think they will create an extra lane just for this?  I dont think so. Remember how they created the bus lane?  Did they use the existing road lane for bus lane OR they removed the pavement and space to create the bus lane?
 
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