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Yes ,then come back.hehe
blurtrader ( Date: 07-Nov-2013 10:09) Posted:
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anyone saw that? all 65 sell queue disappeared?
Yes, 3 is the logical approach. David has stated that time and again in The Edge interview. Wait and see.
MrGrow just giving possible scenarios..some of the scenarios does not make sense after you analyze them..for that sort of risk, or effort, why bother do a rss? Only 3, is most logical.
cccx123 ( Date: 07-Nov-2013 07:25) Posted:
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Check ur pm box.
Vardprop ( Date: 07-Nov-2013 01:35) Posted:
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3 is most likely..and second part of 2 would follow Alan's sino g.
mgrow2013 ( Date: 07-Nov-2013 06:40) Posted:
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1. Don't really see how a reverse split reduces voting rights since the % of shareholdings remains the same before and after the consolidation exercise.
2. If that is what management is trying to do, I have got nothing to say. Kinda ridiculous that management conducts such activities instead of focusing on their core water treatment business.
3. Probably..agree with you on this. Think if I recall correctly, when biotreat was trading in excess of $1, there were a number of institutional investors. And these investors were also the ones that nearly forced hankore into bankruptcy when the company could not fulfill its CB obligations.
4. Hankore only started showing good profits and increased revenues recently. It takes time for the market to reflect that. Consolidations in the past also showed that prices of consolidation shares tend to be depressed initially before recovering, whether or not the company is doing well or not. How long this recovery takes depends on corporate actions. But it is very risky to minority shareholders.
2. If that is what management is trying to do, I have got nothing to say. Kinda ridiculous that management conducts such activities instead of focusing on their core water treatment business.
3. Probably..agree with you on this. Think if I recall correctly, when biotreat was trading in excess of $1, there were a number of institutional investors. And these investors were also the ones that nearly forced hankore into bankruptcy when the company could not fulfill its CB obligations.
4. Hankore only started showing good profits and increased revenues recently. It takes time for the market to reflect that. Consolidations in the past also showed that prices of consolidation shares tend to be depressed initially before recovering, whether or not the company is doing well or not. How long this recovery takes depends on corporate actions. But it is very risky to minority shareholders.
mgrow2013 ( Date: 07-Nov-2013 06:40) Posted:
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Part2 of Something to ponder on HK RSS-
3. Through RSS, Mgmt might be trying to attract more high net
institutional buyers. Cos many mutual funds & institutional buyers may
be prevented from purchasing penny stocks
4. Hopefully, this RSS isn't a warning sign from Mgmt that there's a
problem. Is it that Mgmt is unable to boost its stock value by having
higher revenue. So, Mgmt is attempting to increase its share price to
appear valuable to investors
3. Through RSS, Mgmt might be trying to attract more high net
institutional buyers. Cos many mutual funds & institutional buyers may
be prevented from purchasing penny stocks
4. Hopefully, this RSS isn't a warning sign from Mgmt that there's a
problem. Is it that Mgmt is unable to boost its stock value by having
higher revenue. So, Mgmt is attempting to increase its share price to
appear valuable to investors
mgrow2013 ( Date: 07-Nov-2013 06:34) Posted:
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Something to ponder on HK Reverse Stock Splits -
1. In doing RSS, HK Mgmt may want to reduce voting rights as no. of
shares outstanding had decreased. Hence, guard against hostile
takeovers or buyouts
2. From doing this large 10 > 1, Mgmt may want to flush out small
SHs(via cash out). In turn, reduce total no. of shareholders below a
certain level. After this elimination, in a later date, do a Forward
Split to bring the shares to their original value...
1. In doing RSS, HK Mgmt may want to reduce voting rights as no. of
shares outstanding had decreased. Hence, guard against hostile
takeovers or buyouts
2. From doing this large 10 > 1, Mgmt may want to flush out small
SHs(via cash out). In turn, reduce total no. of shareholders below a
certain level. After this elimination, in a later date, do a Forward
Split to bring the shares to their original value...
mazdadan ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 19:34) Posted:
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Hello,
May I ask how you tabulate the results? Perhaps I could pick a thing or two from you!
I would like to be more concise in my data tabulation for pennies as well but it's hard to find much data given it's limited coverage., so I can only make do with seemingly arbitrary factors like sentiments/announcements which this far worked, but I seek to ameliorate this
May I ask how you tabulate the results? Perhaps I could pick a thing or two from you!
I would like to be more concise in my data tabulation for pennies as well but it's hard to find much data given it's limited coverage., so I can only make do with seemingly arbitrary factors like sentiments/announcements which this far worked, but I seek to ameliorate this
leeeta ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 23:18) Posted:
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Some of the forummers here know that I do my research on hankore over weekends and tabulate my results on spreadsheets... That is my due diligence and hardwork. I don't go reading posting of others and draw a conclusion of them.
Spivvy ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 19:19) Posted:
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Lol .. I can only laugh. Whether he is leeching or not..i don't really care. We have always stated in this forum to do ur own diligence ,do ur own homework etc. if he feels that way, that's not my problem coz no one forces anyone to click on the buy button. For me I hv 3 spreadsheets tracking the growth of hankore and that is what I do once I hv found a gem.
I update my spreadsheet regularly once there are some developments..so I know what I am in to. I don't hv to come into this forum and read what others have to say. I am not led nor am I swayed by what others post here.
Yes I am not happy with this consolidation as there are some short term price uncertainties..coz that impacts some of my short term trades. I hv made it clear that I hv long and short term positions. My longs are in tact..I only hv to deal with my ST trades. ..but I am able to hold.
I am also not happy coz this consolidation is unxepected and were raised as concerns in the Agms/sgms and the mgmt has agreed not to pursue this. The announcement came as a slap in the face so we will have to ask David why. If he is able to explain his business case in the SGM then all is good. But with most consolidations there are px swings ..and I look for an opportune timing to create more holdings for myself. Cheers.
I update my spreadsheet regularly once there are some developments..so I know what I am in to. I don't hv to come into this forum and read what others have to say. I am not led nor am I swayed by what others post here.
Yes I am not happy with this consolidation as there are some short term price uncertainties..coz that impacts some of my short term trades. I hv made it clear that I hv long and short term positions. My longs are in tact..I only hv to deal with my ST trades. ..but I am able to hold.
I am also not happy coz this consolidation is unxepected and were raised as concerns in the Agms/sgms and the mgmt has agreed not to pursue this. The announcement came as a slap in the face so we will have to ask David why. If he is able to explain his business case in the SGM then all is good. But with most consolidations there are px swings ..and I look for an opportune timing to create more holdings for myself. Cheers.
cccx123 ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 20:51) Posted:
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Told him something along those lines in an earlier posting but taken to be gloating over a mishap. Oh well.. Think it is a gambler's mentality when one attempts to "redeem" previous losses by taking more bets. Very difficult to win like that because of an inherently short time frame. Ppl usually don't think rationally in this case.
Vardprop ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 20:40) Posted:
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Yeah... I know you are a nice person, trying to protect his feelings..
But think of those who may have lost as well.. We have to take it in our stride,. Protecting those who got burnt because thy followed blindly is akin to admitting that those who posted of hankore optimistically are apologetic and at fault for having said what they did..
Which I find to be a greater sadness
But think of those who may have lost as well.. We have to take it in our stride,. Protecting those who got burnt because thy followed blindly is akin to admitting that those who posted of hankore optimistically are apologetic and at fault for having said what they did..
Which I find to be a greater sadness
cccx123 ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 20:28) Posted:
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Honestly, I am not very happy with what he is saying. After all, we did say even as Hankore's price accelerated from 5cts to 8.4cts of the need to DYODD. That was when this thread saw a large number of new posters coming in..when the price trended up daily. But it is a free forum after all..
Vardprop ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 20:11) Posted:
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I'm not trying to rub it in.. But do you condone those words spewed?
Yes forum is a place where people can discuss their research. That's the point of the forum. But it's not meant to be followed blindly
Yes forum is a place where people can discuss their research. That's the point of the forum. But it's not meant to be followed blindly
cccx123 ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 19:59) Posted:
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Tut tut.. Ppl lose money you still rub it in. It is okay to factor in other people's research. That's what forums are all about - sharing knowledge. But ultimately, the choice of whether to click the "buy" button or not is the individual's decision. No one else should be blamed, or even credited should the trade be rewarding or upsetting.
Vardprop ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 19:51) Posted:
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Unfortunately your definition of "lazy" is misguided. Reading forum posts meticulously is not considered work done by any aspect .
We are talking about literally sieving through the company fundamentals and past records to draw a deduction, or analyzing it's technicals ..
Following other's calls by their own research can't be considered work? It's like leeching? And after it doesn't go your way, how can it be the person's fault?
So when you copy other's work and thoughts, and thy turn out to be "wrong" at the point in time, you blame them for actually attempting to con?
Our actions are only by us alone, I don't understand how we can fault others for that . You had a choice, to enter or not.
It's not to not take into consideration what others mention, but to try and understand if what they say have any logic to it. It's like, if I say this stock sucks, I must substantiate mustn't i? Others may say it's good, but I may think otherwise. Does it mean I am wrong and the others are right? No? It could jolly well be the other way around. Or maybe a mix of both.
End of the day , harsh but I have to say it, you were just looking to skive off the work of others, and hoped that it could accrue you a quick buck.
And when it didn't go your way, you just needed to find someone to blame.
We are talking about literally sieving through the company fundamentals and past records to draw a deduction, or analyzing it's technicals ..
Following other's calls by their own research can't be considered work? It's like leeching? And after it doesn't go your way, how can it be the person's fault?
So when you copy other's work and thoughts, and thy turn out to be "wrong" at the point in time, you blame them for actually attempting to con?
Our actions are only by us alone, I don't understand how we can fault others for that . You had a choice, to enter or not.
It's not to not take into consideration what others mention, but to try and understand if what they say have any logic to it. It's like, if I say this stock sucks, I must substantiate mustn't i? Others may say it's good, but I may think otherwise. Does it mean I am wrong and the others are right? No? It could jolly well be the other way around. Or maybe a mix of both.
End of the day , harsh but I have to say it, you were just looking to skive off the work of others, and hoped that it could accrue you a quick buck.
And when it didn't go your way, you just needed to find someone to blame.
Spivvy ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 19:19) Posted:
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Fundamentals remain intact, but usually, in the short term the stock price does not reflect the true value of the company. Consolidation in the short term will cause the price to gyrate as the market attempts to settle on a new value. More often than not, the market cannot immediately acquiesce itself with such a high price when just the day before it was much less. For example, if is stock was selling at 6cts the day before and today it is 60cts, the difference is huge.
You can read the posts that many forum members make here but bear in mind that people who own the stock will tend to give extremely biased viewpoints. This Hankore thread is already very good as the people here actually give real hard facts and figures. I browsed the other threads and see people promoting what they bought and saying things like "BB going to push" or what other nonsense.
One must always remember to do one's own due diligence. Any typical trader bets big and wins OR loses big. A good investor bets on the average and more often than not tends to win on the long term. It may take a year, maybe two but the value investor always wins in the end.
You can read the posts that many forum members make here but bear in mind that people who own the stock will tend to give extremely biased viewpoints. This Hankore thread is already very good as the people here actually give real hard facts and figures. I browsed the other threads and see people promoting what they bought and saying things like "BB going to push" or what other nonsense.
One must always remember to do one's own due diligence. Any typical trader bets big and wins OR loses big. A good investor bets on the average and more often than not tends to win on the long term. It may take a year, maybe two but the value investor always wins in the end.
Spivvy ( Date: 06-Nov-2013 19:19) Posted:
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