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Bro, tomorrow got time to monitor already? Lol.
Huat ah!
joseeng ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 23:07) Posted:
I will buy tmrw and try my luck, hopefully can get below 135....lol...huat ar!
Stockcham ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 23:04) Posted:
Bro, both I also confident. Will you buy tomorrow if you are confident?...huat lah |
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I will buy tmrw and try my luck, hopefully can get below 135....lol...huat ar!
Stockcham ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 23:04) Posted:
Bro, both I also confident. Will you buy tomorrow if you are confident?...huat lah!
joseeng ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 22:56) Posted:
Bro, tks for sharing. I am more confident of siic....just my 2c...huat ar |
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Bro, both I also confident. Will you buy tomorrow if you are confident?...huat lah!
joseeng ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 22:56) Posted:
Bro, tks for sharing. I am more confident of siic....just my 2c...huat ar!
Stockcham ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 22:52) Posted:
Wu lui tan wu lang, boh lui tan tio boh lang lor! Actually this is normal. When I first join SJ, it is very quiet during weekend. Now Bro Librajet quit trading, weekend become quiet liao. But.....when pennies start to run, it will hot again during weekend....lol |
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Bro, tks for sharing. I am more confident of siic....just my 2c...huat ar!
Stockcham ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 22:52) Posted:
Wu lui tan wu lang, boh lui tan tio boh lang lor! Actually this is normal. When I first join SJ, it is very quiet during weekend. Now Bro Librajet quit trading, weekend become quiet liao. But.....when pennies start to run, it will hot again during weekend....lol.
stockbabe ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 22:41) Posted:
Tonight is also quiet.. Lang lai oh..
Huat loh! |
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Wu lui tan wu lang, boh lui tan tio boh lang lor! Actually this is normal. When I first join SJ, it is very quiet during weekend. Now Bro Librajet quit trading, weekend become quiet liao. But.....when pennies start to run, it will hot again during weekend....lol.
stockbabe ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 22:41) Posted:
Tonight is also quiet.. Lang lai oh..
Huat loh! |
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Tonight is also quiet.. Lang lai oh..
Huat loh!
Brother thank you for your sharing.i know many of us really appreciate it.You take care, rest because heath is very important. Wealth without Health in nothing. GOD BLESS
Stockcham ( Date: 23-Nov-2013 23:30) Posted:
Tonight is so quiet. ...like a ghost town once again..lol. I'll share with the ghost. ...lol.
This coming week I believe the penny market should improve looking at how the 3 si lang counters started to move up after days of dropping. I will be looking at a few counters this week.
SIIC Env - As mentioned in my earlier posting, can see that BBs tried to hold the price. Those who saw how it was traded last 2 sessions will understand what I mean. We can see that they tried to hold it at 134. Support for this is at 130, 131 & 132. The stronger one is at 131 which is the 20DMA. It is not easy to break 3 supports in a day especially at 131. Therefore, any price below 134 is a good buy since your risk much lower with the 3 supports. This counter has rested long enough n is ripe for move anytime. With a doji n a small little hammer in the last 2 sessions, the chance of an upward this week is very high. Resistance is at 137, 139 & 140.
Europtron - This counter has been strong recently breaking 20, 50 & 100DMA. It managed to break the last 200DMA but go below it 2 days later. It doesn't drop too much n started to hold at support of 53. In the last few days, there seems to be accumulation at 53 & 54. Then on Friday we can see it break out of 54 & BBs make it to close at 56. On the chart, it looks good for upward movement. With T+5 from big volume over on Friday, it makes the chance of upward move higher. Resistance is 57 at 200DMA, 58, 60 & 66. It has broken 57 & 58 recently which weakened these resistance. I think the tough one should be 60 & tougher one at 66.
Macqlntlnfra - This counter also recently have some interest. Can see BBs controlling. It has just started its upward movement with good volume after many days of range trading. It hit a recent high of 115 n then took a rest managing to support at 109. On Friday, it started to move up with a small white candle which is good. It seems like it wanted to continue its upward move this week. Friday is also T+5 from big volume which in theory will mean less sellers on Monday. Resistance is at 113 & 115 but I would think it's not difficult to break. If you noticed, this counter at the moment don't have big move in a day. But it can move up continuously for 3 days. Can take a look lah.
LeaderEnv - This one I don't know si mi si lang counter. But recently seems like got interest. Price move up quite a lot with increase in volume. This is good. It even broke all 4 DMAs. I think may have news coming out soon. I would expect more upside on Monday with a resistance at 97 & some support at 90. The problem with this countet is the low buy sell queue volume. This make it more risky to throw. Those without experience or no cut loss strategy one better don't touch.
MITECH - This one I don't know si mi dai ji. Have been moving up for a few days liao with very low traded volume even though volume has been increasing.You can look at the chart. This onw I think also have news soon. At this price it is risky to buy even though it seems that it can make one last upward movement to 115. Just keep it in your watchlist for monitoring purpose. If it doesn't drop much during testing, then may be able to try if there is better volume. Low volume hard to play.
Last but not least, if you don't like pennies can look at Silverlake which I shared not long ago. It should move up again this week.
Ok, tired liao! Enjoy your trading this week. Hopefully we can huat this week.
Huat ah! |
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paiseh la... promised wife to have quality quiet time together so this weekend must not have stocks on my mind. losing 1 pip is better than making her angry. monday monitor again!
thanks for sharing some stocks.. later i go check them out.
 
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 17:13) Posted:
Bro, if you don't match maybe got 83. Your lots pushed it down to 82....lol. Huat to you lah!
whiteluggage ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 17:04) Posted:
fwh... jigen backside! 82
nvm... enjoy your weekend! going JB makan !  |
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Bro, it is true. I was not in favour of shorting in the beginning. But I began to accept it sometime back. I accepted it for the following reasons:
- Shorting is the same as selling, you will need to have willing party to buy in order to short. Since there is willing party to buy, it is nothing wrong to sell to them. The only difference is that we sell without owning the lots.
- The price of the counter does not go down bcoz we short, for we are not BBs. So we shouldn't feel bad shorting for people who are holding that counter. If we are like BBs luring retailers to buy from us, then I think it is not good as it is trapping people, HAI people. So it is OK since we don't.
- Malaysia market cannot short, so there is no question about it. Since Singapore market allows shorting, we are just making use of what is available to help us to make money. We are not trying to go thru illegal way to do it in order to do shorting to make money.
- If I foresee a counter will move, I long and make money. But if I indeed are sure that a counter will drop, but only watch without making money, that to me is really wasting the chance.
The above are just my personal realization. Nothing right or wrong about this issue. However, I will prevent to do naked short as trading itself is stressful enough, I will not want to add the additional stress of worrying that the counter will halt and I will be penalized, at least for the moment, am not sure about the future. So, based on this reason, I have been looking and understanding more about cfd in the past few weeks.
Our purpose is to make money, as long as we do it the proper way, I believe it is fine. HOPE all Brothers and Sisters will make money from the market! HUAT AH! 
Stockcham ( Date: 24-Nov-2013 14:16) Posted:
Bro bulletproofheart, Europtron I have confidence. Friday BBs eat up 2 big lots at 56. Of course most of the lots belong to themselves but some belong to retailers. If retailers are confidence to buy 350 lots at 56, it would have bought earlier. So I'm pretty sure they want to close it at 56. If Monday can gap up at 58 will be very swee because it would have broke 57.  High chance you will huat lah!...lol.
Bro cskshares, I will share as long as I have a little bit of time.  Sometimes when I'm too tired looking at my documents, I will just  look look see see some  counters to shares. Want to be safe  making money  have to do homework. Nothing is free and easy...Huat to you lah!
Sis Luna69, I worked 6 days a week but after coming to SJ, I worked 6.5 days a week or else I will have backlog in  my work. But still I can't finished them unless I stopped  traidng for a little while. I'm trying to clear as much as I can. Like now I'm in the office doing my work and coming to SJ at the same time...lol.  I still shared because  if you all can make money and not only me, then I will be very glad. I believe many bros & sis who is in SJ for long would have absorb lots of knowledge in trading not only in this thread but also in other thread. Remember when I first came to SJ, many are so against short selling. now peoples tends to be more open hearted  because many come to realise that this is a form of trading too even though it is against most trading style. The purpose of trading is to make money. We cannot reprimand people who tried to make money through shorting. Who want to lose money?. I would say it is a wise move to short when market turn against us.
Good luck all! This week should be a better week looking at how these 3 si lang are trading and some stocks already hit strong support and hold well.
Huat ah! |
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Bro bulletproofheart, Europtron I have confidence. Friday BBs eat up 2 big lots at 56. Of course most of the lots belong to themselves but some belong to retailers. If retailers are confidence to buy 350 lots at 56, it would have bought earlier. So I'm pretty sure they want to close it at 56. If Monday can gap up at 58 will be very swee because it would have broke 57.  High chance you will huat lah!...lol.
Bro cskshares, I will share as long as I have a little bit of time.  Sometimes when I'm too tired looking at my documents, I will just  look look see see some  counters to shares. Want to be safe  making money  have to do homework. Nothing is free and easy...Huat to you lah!
Sis Luna69, I worked 6 days a week but after coming to SJ, I worked 6.5 days a week or else I will have backlog in  my work. But still I can't finished them unless I stopped  traidng for a little while. I'm trying to clear as much as I can. Like now I'm in the office doing my work and coming to SJ at the same time...lol.  I still shared because  if you all can make money and not only me, then I will be very glad. I believe many bros & sis who is in SJ for long would have absorb lots of knowledge in trading not only in this thread but also in other thread. Remember when I first came to SJ, many are so against short selling. now peoples tends to be more open hearted  because many come to realise that this is a form of trading too even though it is against most trading style. The purpose of trading is to make money. We cannot reprimand people who tried to make money through shorting. Who want to lose money?. I would say it is a wise move to short when market turn against us.
Good luck all! This week should be a better week looking at how these 3 si lang are trading and some stocks already hit strong support and hold well.
Huat ah!
wow really v quiet today. Thanks bro for ur long n informative write-up on the counters u're looking at next week. Will look into them more closely. Hope to huat tgt.
Good to see u have confidence in europtron, hope to huat big on this. anw, regarding the person who bought 50 lots, I also don't understand last time but I know some traders use Stand Chart which has no minimum commission, they can earn with 1 pip even if they buy 1 lot. Haha. Maybe tt person uses Stand Chart. For me, minimum is 80 lots for counters where every one pip is 0.1cent. Only when my limit not enough but I'm confident tt counter will move a few pips then I'll buy lesser lots. Haha.
Let's all Huat tgt this week!!!
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 18:45) Posted:
Bro Bulletproofheart, the one who bought 50 lots at 55 make 1 pip...lol. Actually he should  buy more lots...at least 60 lots for this price. Buy 50 lots 1 pip how to cover commission?. Every time we buy a counter must calculate commission. Better not buy those counter where you need 2 pips to cover commssion unless very confident.
Looking at the chart, today close with a small white candle which is very swee. It looks like it's going to trend upward on Monday. Now must overcome 200Day MA at 57 and another resistance at 58. Not easy though but that doesn't mean no chance. If Monday can open gap up is the best. Next resistance is 60 and 65. We shall see!
Today make some kopi from LeaderEnv. Buy at 84 and matched out at 92. Don't want to tapau even though may move a bit more on Monday maybe to 96. Got money take first.
Huat ah!
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Bro, thank you for your sharing of so many counters in such details as usual. Really appreciate your effort. HUAT AH!
Stockcham ( Date: 23-Nov-2013 23:30) Posted:
Tonight is so quiet. ...like a ghost town once again..lol. I'll share with the ghost. ...lol.
This coming week I believe the penny market should improve looking at how the 3 si lang counters started to move up after days of dropping. I will be looking at a few counters this week.
SIIC Env - As mentioned in my earlier posting, can see that BBs tried to hold the price. Those who saw how it was traded last 2 sessions will understand what I mean. We can see that they tried to hold it at 134. Support for this is at 130, 131 & 132. The stronger one is at 131 which is the 20DMA. It is not easy to break 3 supports in a day especially at 131. Therefore, any price below 134 is a good buy since your risk much lower with the 3 supports. This counter has rested long enough n is ripe for move anytime. With a doji n a small little hammer in the last 2 sessions, the chance of an upward this week is very high. Resistance is at 137, 139 & 140.
Europtron - This counter has been strong recently breaking 20, 50 & 100DMA. It managed to break the last 200DMA but go below it 2 days later. It doesn't drop too much n started to hold at support of 53. In the last few days, there seems to be accumulation at 53 & 54. Then on Friday we can see it break out of 54 & BBs make it to close at 56. On the chart, it looks good for upward movement. With T+5 from big volume over on Friday, it makes the chance of upward move higher. Resistance is 57 at 200DMA, 58, 60 & 66. It has broken 57 & 58 recently which weakened these resistance. I think the tough one should be 60 & tougher one at 66.
Macqlntlnfra - This counter also recently have some interest. Can see BBs controlling. It has just started its upward movement with good volume after many days of range trading. It hit a recent high of 115 n then took a rest managing to support at 109. On Friday, it started to move up with a small white candle which is good. It seems like it wanted to continue its upward move this week. Friday is also T+5 from big volume which in theory will mean less sellers on Monday. Resistance is at 113 & 115 but I would think it's not difficult to break. If you noticed, this counter at the moment don't have big move in a day. But it can move up continuously for 3 days. Can take a look lah.
LeaderEnv - This one I don't know si mi si lang counter. But recently seems like got interest. Price move up quite a lot with increase in volume. This is good. It even broke all 4 DMAs. I think may have news coming out soon. I would expect more upside on Monday with a resistance at 97 & some support at 90. The problem with this countet is the low buy sell queue volume. This make it more risky to throw. Those without experience or no cut loss strategy one better don't touch.
MITECH - This one I don't know si mi dai ji. Have been moving up for a few days liao with very low traded volume even though volume has been increasing.You can look at the chart. This onw I think also have news soon. At this price it is risky to buy even though it seems that it can make one last upward movement to 115. Just keep it in your watchlist for monitoring purpose. If it doesn't drop much during testing, then may be able to try if there is better volume. Low volume hard to play.
Last but not least, if you don't like pennies can look at Silverlake which I shared not long ago. It should move up again this week.
Ok, tired liao! Enjoy your trading this week. Hopefully we can huat this week.
Huat ah! |
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Bro u working today too? Clear up the mess after the fire already? ... Huat to you !!! So tired but still thinking of all of us!!!
Stockcham ( Date: 23-Nov-2013 23:30) Posted:
Tonight is so quiet. ...like a ghost town once again..lol. I'll share with the ghost. ...lol.
This coming week I believe the penny market should improve looking at how the 3 si lang counters started to move up after days of dropping. I will be looking at a few counters this week.
SIIC Env - As mentioned in my earlier posting, can see that BBs tried to hold the price. Those who saw how it was traded last 2 sessions will understand what I mean. We can see that they tried to hold it at 134. Support for this is at 130, 131 & 132. The stronger one is at 131 which is the 20DMA. It is not easy to break 3 supports in a day especially at 131. Therefore, any price below 134 is a good buy since your risk much lower with the 3 supports. This counter has rested long enough n is ripe for move anytime. With a doji n a small little hammer in the last 2 sessions, the chance of an upward this week is very high. Resistance is at 137, 139 & 140.
Europtron - This counter has been strong recently breaking 20, 50 & 100DMA. It managed to break the last 200DMA but go below it 2 days later. It doesn't drop too much n started to hold at support of 53. In the last few days, there seems to be accumulation at 53 & 54. Then on Friday we can see it break out of 54 & BBs make it to close at 56. On the chart, it looks good for upward movement. With T+5 from big volume over on Friday, it makes the chance of upward move higher. Resistance is 57 at 200DMA, 58, 60 & 66. It has broken 57 & 58 recently which weakened these resistance. I think the tough one should be 60 & tougher one at 66.
Macqlntlnfra - This counter also recently have some interest. Can see BBs controlling. It has just started its upward movement with good volume after many days of range trading. It hit a recent high of 115 n then took a rest managing to support at 109. On Friday, it started to move up with a small white candle which is good. It seems like it wanted to continue its upward move this week. Friday is also T+5 from big volume which in theory will mean less sellers on Monday. Resistance is at 113 & 115 but I would think it's not difficult to break. If you noticed, this counter at the moment don't have big move in a day. But it can move up continuously for 3 days. Can take a look lah.
LeaderEnv - This one I don't know si mi si lang counter. But recently seems like got interest. Price move up quite a lot with increase in volume. This is good. It even broke all 4 DMAs. I think may have news coming out soon. I would expect more upside on Monday with a resistance at 97 & some support at 90. The problem with this countet is the low buy sell queue volume. This make it more risky to throw. Those without experience or no cut loss strategy one better don't touch.
MITECH - This one I don't know si mi dai ji. Have been moving up for a few days liao with very low traded volume even though volume has been increasing.You can look at the chart. This onw I think also have news soon. At this price it is risky to buy even though it seems that it can make one last upward movement to 115. Just keep it in your watchlist for monitoring purpose. If it doesn't drop much during testing, then may be able to try if there is better volume. Low volume hard to play.
Last but not least, if you don't like pennies can look at Silverlake which I shared not long ago. It should move up again this week.
Ok, tired liao! Enjoy your trading this week. Hopefully we can huat this week.
Huat ah! |
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Tonight is so quiet. ...like a ghost town once again..lol. I'll share with the ghost. ...lol.
This coming week I believe the penny market should improve looking at how the 3 si lang counters started to move up after days of dropping. I will be looking at a few counters this week.
SIIC Env - As mentioned in my earlier posting, can see that BBs tried to hold the price. Those who saw how it was traded last 2 sessions will understand what I mean. We can see that they tried to hold it at 134. Support for this is at 130, 131 & 132. The stronger one is at 131 which is the 20DMA. It is not easy to break 3 supports in a day especially at 131. Therefore, any price below 134 is a good buy since your risk much lower with the 3 supports. This counter has rested long enough n is ripe for move anytime. With a doji n a small little hammer in the last 2 sessions, the chance of an upward this week is very high. Resistance is at 137, 139 & 140.
Europtron - This counter has been strong recently breaking 20, 50 & 100DMA. It managed to break the last 200DMA but go below it 2 days later. It doesn't drop too much n started to hold at support of 53. In the last few days, there seems to be accumulation at 53 & 54. Then on Friday we can see it break out of 54 & BBs make it to close at 56. On the chart, it looks good for upward movement. With T+5 from big volume over on Friday, it makes the chance of upward move higher. Resistance is 57 at 200DMA, 58, 60 & 66. It has broken 57 & 58 recently which weakened these resistance. I think the tough one should be 60 & tougher one at 66.
Macqlntlnfra - This counter also recently have some interest. Can see BBs controlling. It has just started its upward movement with good volume after many days of range trading. It hit a recent high of 115 n then took a rest managing to support at 109. On Friday, it started to move up with a small white candle which is good. It seems like it wanted to continue its upward move this week. Friday is also T+5 from big volume which in theory will mean less sellers on Monday. Resistance is at 113 & 115 but I would think it's not difficult to break. If you noticed, this counter at the moment don't have big move in a day. But it can move up continuously for 3 days. Can take a look lah.
LeaderEnv - This one I don't know si mi si lang counter. But recently seems like got interest. Price move up quite a lot with increase in volume. This is good. It even broke all 4 DMAs. I think may have news coming out soon. I would expect more upside on Monday with a resistance at 97 & some support at 90. The problem with this countet is the low buy sell queue volume. This make it more risky to throw. Those without experience or no cut loss strategy one better don't touch.
MITECH - This one I don't know si mi dai ji. Have been moving up for a few days liao with very low traded volume even though volume has been increasing.You can look at the chart. This onw I think also have news soon. At this price it is risky to buy even though it seems that it can make one last upward movement to 115. Just keep it in your watchlist for monitoring purpose. If it doesn't drop much during testing, then may be able to try if there is better volume. Low volume hard to play.
Last but not least, if you don't like pennies can look at Silverlake which I shared not long ago. It should move up again this week.
Ok, tired liao! Enjoy your trading this week. Hopefully we can huat this week.
Huat ah!
Swee swee..monday BB will give face to this counter and let it chiong to 100..
Meat ba ba..
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 19:58) Posted:
After I bought it at 84 I posted my msg. That time still about 84-85 at around 4.15pm. If someone saw my msg and try, still can get 85 or 86. I wonder anybody saw and follow. When I saw it at 82-83, I looked at the chart and see actually the previous day started to move. With today's increase volume, it should be able to move further, and that's I jeep even though a few pips up liao. Monday's volume should be even higher I believe. If it open low I may buy again....Huat ah!
Simpsons ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 19:40) Posted:
Leaderenv left with little meat by the time at 4.30pm..if not, would have been a good punt..but closing is good so BB got give face to play this counter instead.. |
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Congrat Bro
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 20:08) Posted:
Resistance for LeaderEnv is 97 and 101 instead of 96 I previously mentioned. Paiseh see wrongly. Huat ah!
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 18:45) Posted:
Bro Bulletproofheart, the one who bought 50 lots at 55 make 1 pip...lol. Actually he should  buy more lots...at least 60 lots for this price. Buy 50 lots 1 pip how to cover commission?. Every time we buy a counter must calculate commission. Better not buy those counter where you need 2 pips to cover commssion unless very confident.
Looking at the chart, today close with a small white candle which is very swee. It looks like it's going to trend upward on Monday. Now must overcome 200Day MA at 57 and another resistance at 58. Not easy though but that doesn't mean no chance. If Monday can open gap up is the best. Next resistance is 60 and 65. We shall see!
Today make some kopi from LeaderEnv. Buy at 84 and matched out at 92. Don't want to tapau even though may move a bit more on Monday maybe to 96. Got money take first.
Huat ah!
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Bro, you really amazing.. Simi counter lai eh.. Like that also cannot run away from you lol..
Huat ah!!
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 20:08) Posted:
Resistance for LeaderEnv is 97 and 101 instead of 96 I previously mentioned. Paiseh see wrongly. Huat ah!
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 18:45) Posted:
Bro Bulletproofheart, the one who bought 50 lots at 55 make 1 pip...lol. Actually he should  buy more lots...at least 60 lots for this price. Buy 50 lots 1 pip how to cover commission?. Every time we buy a counter must calculate commission. Better not buy those counter where you need 2 pips to cover commssion unless very confident.
Looking at the chart, today close with a small white candle which is very swee. It looks like it's going to trend upward on Monday. Now must overcome 200Day MA at 57 and another resistance at 58. Not easy though but that doesn't mean no chance. If Monday can open gap up is the best. Next resistance is 60 and 65. We shall see!
Today make some kopi from LeaderEnv. Buy at 84 and matched out at 92. Don't want to tapau even though may move a bit more on Monday maybe to 96. Got money take first.
Huat ah!
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Resistance for LeaderEnv is 97 and 101 instead of 96 I previously mentioned. Paiseh see wrongly. Huat ah!
Stockcham ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 18:45) Posted:
Bro Bulletproofheart, the one who bought 50 lots at 55 make 1 pip...lol. Actually he should  buy more lots...at least 60 lots for this price. Buy 50 lots 1 pip how to cover commission?. Every time we buy a counter must calculate commission. Better not buy those counter where you need 2 pips to cover commssion unless very confident.
Looking at the chart, today close with a small white candle which is very swee. It looks like it's going to trend upward on Monday. Now must overcome 200Day MA at 57 and another resistance at 58. Not easy though but that doesn't mean no chance. If Monday can open gap up is the best. Next resistance is 60 and 65. We shall see!
Today make some kopi from LeaderEnv. Buy at 84 and matched out at 92. Don't want to tapau even though may move a bit more on Monday maybe to 96. Got money take first.
Huat ah!
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After I bought it at 84 I posted my msg. That time still about 84-85 at around 4.15pm. If someone saw my msg and try, still can get 85 or 86. I wonder anybody saw and follow. When I saw it at 82-83, I looked at the chart and see actually the previous day started to move. With today's increase volume, it should be able to move further, and that's I jeep even though a few pips up liao. Monday's volume should be even higher I believe. If it open low I may buy again....Huat ah!
Simpsons ( Date: 22-Nov-2013 19:40) Posted:
Leaderenv left with little meat by the time at 4.30pm..if not, would have been a good punt..but closing is good so BB got give face to play this counter instead.. |
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Leaderenv left with little meat by the time at 4.30pm..if not, would have been a good punt..but closing is good so BB got give face to play this counter instead..