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abterra in the deadlock...
be careful, dont play2 with ristaker.. his time is expensive... later u cant afford to pay the consultation time...
yeah paperware :) You know good food dont need ads, because people will recommend to others. Likewise if a stock is worth playing, it will be spreading among the BB
equator2010 ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 11:26) Posted:
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interesting read on Abterra's SWOT analysis and how they are developing their strategy to benefit from it :
http://www.abterra.com.sg/pdf/media0909.pdf .
until i have news about Q3 report is turning this burger around.... hehe we will not touch :)
keepnosecrets ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 11:19) Posted:
| In your live or die situation, using your estimation, I think it is worth a gamble then. You say one can win 20-40 times the current value or lose everything. The average is 30 times the value of 5 cents. I will use only 20 times that will give it $1.00. So risk and reward will be 1:20 which is a good ratio to bet. In terms of percentage you can get is 1900 percent on your investment of 5 cents. |
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I think you have no idea at all about their bussiness : they dont expect to have large margin this year (the 3Q report), but it wont that bad. They look solid and have a long term goal of 3 years to see the result of new acquisition
Core bussiness: As the company is running a trading operation, its performance is dependent on the volume of raw materials traded between its customers. Fluctuations in commodity prices do not directly affect the trading performance of the company. Under its trading operations, Abterra handles only the supply chain aspect of the operations and therefore does not take a position in the products.
Abterra generally calculates the risk-return spread, ensuring that purchases are only committed after a seller has been secured. Its transactions are based on spot prices. However, commodity price fluctuations may affect the company indirectly through reduced volume traded. This is because suppliers are generally less willing to sell their output at lower prices.
Expansion mode: vertical integration strategy,
Abterra has embarked on a strategy of vertical integration with the aim of capturing greater margins. To this end, the company has made a number of acquisitions so far. Management has a target of achieving a production capacity of 5m MT of coking coal per year in the next 2-3 years.
In your live or die situation, using your estimation, I think it is worth a gamble then. You say one can win 20-40 times the current value or lose everything. The average is 30 times the value of 5 cents. I will use only 20 times that will give it $1.00. So risk and reward will be 1:20 which is a good ratio to bet. In terms of percentage you can get is 1900 percent on your investment of 5 cents.
You ask yourself is Q3 report gonna be good or bad. China Ore business is really really tough.
Abterra have over stretched themselves, seeking loans to buy mines...... We need hard evidences that Abterra can really come out of this shit thats why Q3 report is very very important. Good luck.
Sucess Rate - 25% (Based on the environment they are in)
risktaker ( Date: 08-Sep-2009 22:07) Posted:
2 months ago Abterra has no mines. Due to the legislation in china, the smaller mine will not allow to be operate. Therefore it give Abterra opportunity to buy these mines. Strait Asia is pretty established. If Strait Asia is given a rating of 8/10. Abterra is somewhere 2/10. Abterra has a chance to grow and established as China now tighten imports of Iron Ore from overseas. However Iron Ore market in China is pretty much over supplied at the moment with loads of Iron Ore sitting at the dock. Further worsen the outlook is the local competitive level is extremely high with new deposit being discovered not to forget they recently open up more mines in the inner Mongolia region. There are many challenges Abterra have to overcome at this moment. Its either small and die off or Big and win for Abterra, they have to be big "which is what they are doing now". Buying up Mines/Mine Operations and massaging relationship with the Top officials in China so they can get funds, approval of acquisition, license and many more. Therefore, If they make it you can make at least 20-40 times as of current value, but you could lose everything if they fail.
erictkw ( Date: 08-Sep-2009 21:51) Posted:
Is current Abttera comparable with Straits Asia in terms of business nature??? Hope to hear some comments from someone who knows both these counters.  |
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keepnosecrets,
that's ristaker tactics.. if you see other post by him, he likes to do that way.. just simply say without foundation... ahaha..a little bit silly though
keepnosecrets ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 10:36) Posted:
You should be clear on what you are trying to tell the newbies because they won't understand hints. You must give details or reasons why this why that, then it is better.
risktaker ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 08:42) Posted:
| You can only base on FA on this burger... theres no TA involved. Next go thru my post about this burger. I have stated its FA very clearly. I am trying to help newbies that are in this burger. Good luck I hope i am wrong.
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Isn't the price/vol chart of this stock a technical tool too?
Thus, 'TA' ie. chart analysis applies to
every stock...
After all,
all factors, be they fundamental, non-fundamental,
or unkown,
are reflected in the price movements in a chart...
You should be clear on what you are trying to tell the newbies because they won't understand hints. You must give details or reasons why this why that, then it is better.
risktaker ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 08:42) Posted:
| You can only base on FA on this burger... theres no TA involved. Next go thru my post about this burger. I have stated its FA very clearly. I am trying to help newbies that are in this burger. Good luck I hope i am wrong.
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You can only base on FA on this burger... theres no TA involved. Next go thru my post about this burger. I have stated its FA very clearly. I am trying to help newbies that are in this burger. Good luck I hope i am wrong.
do u even understand what is CLOB :)
i780samsung ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 01:19) Posted:
I believe most of people here also run as you do, or even more ...you are 14 hours a day, it is nothing. some here even 25hours a day, plus additional streamings even in the restroom. But they at least have some idea behind what they are talking about, let alone TA, FA, whatever you name them. Why you never said even a single word BUT this counter bad, buy this, sell that, etc ...?
risktaker ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 00:02) Posted:
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Let me tell you my setup.
I have 2 LCD monitor. 1 for Research/Findings & 1 for CLOB. I watch live streaming from 0830 to 17:05 :)
I have few watchlist which i am hehe... anyway my Life is stock market :P I spend at least 14 hours a day dealing with stocks. (except weekends 2-3 hours) |
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haha if u dont believe u see lor :)
i780samsung ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 01:19) Posted:
I believe most of people here also run as you do, or even more ...you are 14 hours a day, it is nothing. some here even 25hours a day, plus additional streamings even in the restroom. But they at least have some idea behind what they are talking about, let alone TA, FA, whatever you name them. Why you never said even a single word BUT this counter bad, buy this, sell that, etc ...?
risktaker ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 00:02) Posted:
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Let me tell you my setup.
I have 2 LCD monitor. 1 for Research/Findings & 1 for CLOB. I watch live streaming from 0830 to 17:05 :)
I have few watchlist which i am hehe... anyway my Life is stock market :P I spend at least 14 hours a day dealing with stocks. (except weekends 2-3 hours) |
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I believe most of people here also run as you do, or even more ...you are 14 hours a day, it is nothing. some here even 25hours a day, plus additional streamings even in the restroom. But they at least have some idea behind what they are talking about, let alone TA, FA, whatever you name them. Why you never said even a single word BUT this counter bad, buy this, sell that, etc ...?
risktaker ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 00:02) Posted:
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Let me tell you my setup.
I have 2 LCD monitor. 1 for Research/Findings & 1 for CLOB. I watch live streaming from 0830 to 17:05 :)
I have few watchlist which i am hehe... anyway my Life is stock market :P I spend at least 14 hours a day dealing with stocks. (except weekends 2-3 hours)
i780samsung ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 21:38) Posted:
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why? today from total volume all is buy up at 0.05 and only ONE single very small transaction sell down at 0.045 at the last.
i dont get it, why this guy trying hard to invite people to sell without any reason. we need fair feedback here, not personal feeling. If you think this counter is bad, why keep watching it 100 times a day. |
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If you want to know what this counter looks inside, you better read the recent SIAS research, i think it is a fair and complete research on the company, not inviting to buy or sell the shares, purely research ... I can not post because of copyright. I can understand why this counter is stagnant rightnow ... but it is really like 'COKE' which is also its bussiness.
freeme ( Date: 30-Sep-2009 00:06) Posted:
some how i have the same thinking as you on it looks nice on outside but inside, we duno.. ;) try to get as cheap as possible if wan to profit from this counter.
risktaker ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 23:48) Posted:
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already exited this counter few weeks ago @ 0.050-0.055 I just wanted to warn people about this burger :) Looks nice on the outside but deep inside hmmmm a lot of questions.
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some how i have the same thinking as you on it looks nice on outside but inside, we duno..
;)
try to get as cheap as possible if wan to profit from this counter.
risktaker ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 23:48) Posted:
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already exited this counter few weeks ago @ 0.050-0.055 I just wanted to warn people about this burger :) Looks nice on the outside but deep inside hmmmm a lot of questions.
freeme ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 21:52) Posted:
Maybe bec earlier he is nt able to earn from this counter..turn love to hate.. lol rite?
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when the report out, it shud be showing a good sign... i guess... coz General nice bought this share, and then abterra obtain another coal in Indonesia...
henrykay ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 22:17) Posted:
| report release date extend to 5th Oct. hmmmmmm
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Let me tell you my setup.
I have 2 LCD monitor. 1 for Research/Findings & 1 for CLOB. I watch live streaming from 0830 to 17:05 :)
I have few watchlist which i am hehe... anyway my Life is stock market :P I spend at least 14 hours a day dealing with stocks. (except weekends 2-3 hours)
i780samsung ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 21:38) Posted:
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why? today from total volume all is buy up at 0.05 and only ONE single very small transaction sell down at 0.045 at the last.
i dont get it, why this guy trying hard to invite people to sell without any reason. we need fair feedback here, not personal feeling. If you think this counter is bad, why keep watching it 100 times a day.
risktaker ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 19:53) Posted:
| not looking good ... careful |
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already exited this counter few weeks ago @ 0.050-0.055 I just wanted to warn people about this burger :) Looks nice on the outside but deep inside hmmmm a lot of questions.
freeme ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 21:52) Posted:
Maybe bec earlier he is nt able to earn from this counter..turn love to hate.. lol rite?
i780samsung ( Date: 29-Sep-2009 21:38) Posted:
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why? today from total volume all is buy up at 0.05 and only ONE single very small transaction sell down at 0.045 at the last.
i dont get it, why this guy trying hard to invite people to sell without any reason. we need fair feedback here, not personal feeling. If you think this counter is bad, why keep watching it 100 times a day. |
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