Home
Login Register
Others   

What?s Happened to Blumont, Asiasons and LionGold

 Post Reply 421-440 of 719
 
ruready
    25-Oct-2013 09:04  
Contact    Quote!
I heard that someone big lost,,,,finally sell off to pay their lost......is this true?
 
 
risktaker
    25-Oct-2013 09:04  
Contact    Quote!
I think the damage has been done..... someone is trying very hard to bring down the 3 stocks...calling for probe....i wonder what was their actual motive..... seems like a conspiracy to me....think someone is trying to destroy them once and for all... i dont trade these shares.. as i dont believe their story....but seriously the damage has been done.... 以 和 为 贵 。 singapore is the free market and when the price of these 3 shares are falling....do u know who is the buyer/seller? Recently i read articles circulating around they say it is purchase by funds...and the fall out its due to the sell off by funds.... so that's the reason why the share went up...and down south.... now funds suffer losses..local brokerage house also suffer losses .... together with public holders.... but who started the saga?
Is it the the deadly rumour ?that is spreading in the market that draw it down..that send the funds worried and started the selling?....who started the rumour when there is no investigation going on before the crash? What trigger the rumour.... What is his motive? I have never seen a crashed like this in my life a stock that lost so much in just 2 days..... just because of a rumour......one reason i could think of why local traders suffered big losses is they buy the shares because they believed...in their corp action..now everyone has lost confident in the market.... and thats not good for the market....

Recently i have lend out money to friends that lost money due to the penny stock crashed.... not much around 200k.... so many innocent people lost money because of this.....price went up everyone made... when it come down so fast so furious... the public must be protected....so circuit breaker must be implemented....

Further Actions.... will not be good to the whole market.... but how to prevent another one is what MAS/SGX should really work onto....

 
 
risktaker
    25-Oct-2013 08:59  
Contact    Quote!
I think the damage has been done..... someone is trying very hard to bring down the 3 stocks...calling for probe....i wonder what was their actual motive..... seems like a conspiracy to me....think someone is trying to destroy them once and for all... i dont trade these shares.. as i dont believe their story....but seriously the damage has been done.... 以 和 为 贵 。 singapore is the free market and when the price of these 3 shares are falling....do u know who is the buyer/seller? Recently i read articles circulating around they say it is purchase by funds...and the fall out its due to the sell off by funds.... so that's the reason why the share went up...and down south.... now funds suffer losses..local brokerage house also suffer losses .... together with public holders.... but who started the saga?
Is it the the deadly rumour ?that is spreading in the market that draw it down..that send the funds worried and started the selling?....who started the rumour when there is no investigation going on before the crash? What trigger the rumour.... What is his motive? I have never seen a crashed like this in my life a stock that lost so much in just 2 days..... just because of a rumour......one reason i could think of why local traders suffered big losses is they buy the shares because they believed...in their corp action..now everyone has lost confident in the market.... and thats not good for the market....

Recently i have lend out money to friends that lost money due to the penny stock crashed.... not much around 200k.... so many innocent people lost money because of this.....price went up everyone made... when it come down so fast so furious... the public must be protected....so circuit breaker must be implemented....

Further Actions.... will not be good to the whole market.... but how to prevent another one is what MAI think the damage has been done..... someone is trying very hard to bring down the 3 stocks...calling for probe....i wonder what was their actual motive..... seems like a conspiracy to me....think someone is trying to destroy them once and for all... i dont trade these shares.. as i dont believe their story....but seriously the damage has been done.... 以 和 为 贵 。 singapore is the free market and when the price of these 3 shares are falling....do u know who is the buyer/seller? Recently i read articles circulating around they say it is purchase by funds...and the fall out its due to the sell off by funds.... so that's the reason why the share went up...and down south.... now funds suffer losses..local brokerage house also suffer losses .... together with public holders.... but who started the saga?
Is it the the deadly rumour ?that is spreading in the market that draw it down..that send the funds worried and started the selling?....who started the rumour when there is no investigation going on before the crash? What trigger the rumour.... What is his motive? I have never seen a crashed like this in my life a stock that lost so much in just 2 days..... just because of a rumour......one reason i could think of why local traders suffered big losses is they buy the shares because they believed...in their corp action..now everyone has lost confident in the market.... and thats not good for the market....

Recently i have lend out money to friends that lost money due to the penny stock crashed.... not much around 200k.... so many innocent people lost money because of this.....price went up everyone made... when it come down so fast so furious... the public must be protected....so circuit breaker must be implemented....

Further Actions.... will not be good to the whole market.... but how to prevent another one is what MAS/SGX should really work onto....

 

 
FearValueGreed
    25-Oct-2013 08:46  
Contact    Quote!
Pre open q looks stable.
But today fri
 
 
francisd
    25-Oct-2013 08:44  
Contact    Quote!


With all this saga going on. Its seems that SGX  & MAS ACTS only when there is noise made otherwise there is a lukewarm response to what is going on in the market which is obivious to the rest. So Sad.



RPT-UPDATE 1-Singapore launches probe into penny stocks crash



* Authorities to review market structure and practices * Say broking firms exposed to three stocks are sound (Repeats story from Thursday with no changes to the text) By Anshuman Daga and Rachel Armstrong SINGAPORE, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Singapore's central bank and stock market operator are conducting an extensive review of recent share price volatility in three inter-linked Singapore companies, which wiped out billions of dollars in combined market value from the firms.

Singapore Exchange Ltd (SGX) , which is both the market operator and the regulator, suspended trading in shares of Blumont Group Ltd , Asiasons Capital Ltd and LionGold Corp Ltd on Oct. 4, after sharp declines in their stock prices.

It then slapped trading restrictions on them for two weeks.

[ID:nL3N0I8253] " MAS and SGX are conducting an extensive review of the activities around these stocks," the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) told Reuters late on Thursday in an e-mail response to questions.

" We cannot divulge more information at this point so as not to undermine potential investigations. This episode has also surfaced broader issues regarding the market structure and practices which MAS and SGX intend to review thoroughly. Upon completion of the review, we will consult the public if changes are required," it said.

The comments from the MAS, which oversees the SGX, follow criticism in the local media that SGX had stepped in too late to tame the volatility.

SGX's dual role as market operator and regulator has in the past raised questions about a conflict of interest as it regulates listed companies that are also its clients.

The remarks from Singapore's central bank are also the first confirmation that authorities had kicked off an investigation into the activities surrounding the three stocks.

The stocks lost up to S$8.7 billion ($7 billion) in combined market value in a few sessions this month, and fell back to being the penny stocks they were before dramatic gains earlier this year.

Blumont's stock closed at S$0.20 on Thursday, compared with a high on Oct. 1 of S$2.50. Asiasons Capital fell 2 percent to S$0.23 at Thursday's close, against a high of S$2.80 at the beginning of the month.

Under the trading curbs, the first to be imposed on any Singapore-listed stocks for five years, SGX declared the stocks as " designated securities." That meant traders could not short-sell them and had to pay for any purchases with cash upfront.

Traders have said several brokerages in Singapore could lose millions of dollars following those big price falls.

[ID:L3N0IE1YR] The MAS however said the operations and financial positions of broking firms exposed to those stocks remain sound and it will continue to keep a close watch on the brokerages.

" MAS has been closely monitoring the exposure of the broking firms by collecting reports on losses and major counterparty exposure arising from their exposures to the three counters." Earlier on Thursday, an association representing Singapore's retail investors called for a probe into the three stocks.

Analysts had said sharp gains seen in the three stocks earlier this year had not been backed by obvious business fundamentals.
 
 
handongni
    25-Oct-2013 08:35  
Contact    Quote!
lets see will SGX role that result in conflict of interest be review
 

 
edwinjup
    25-Oct-2013 08:28  
Contact    Quote!
The selling.might be greater on monday and tues due to t+5 ..as this three counters are not marginable...more.people are.looking to sell within the contra.period..rather.than take out hard cash to hold...huge.vol on.last mon and tues...

wait4opp      ( Date: 25-Oct-2013 08:00) Posted:



According to the SGX and MAS, there are a lot of remisers and brokers caught in the 3 penny stock sagas.....

BEWARE if your brokers keep recommend you to buy stocks..........they are trying to recovery their losses from you.

PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you EXECUTE the BUY.......

 

 
 
wait4opp
    25-Oct-2013 08:00  
Contact    Quote!


According to the SGX and MAS, there are a lot of remisers and brokers caught in the 3 penny stock sagas.....

BEWARE if your brokers keep recommend you to buy stocks..........they are trying to recovery their losses from you.

PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you EXECUTE the BUY.......

 
 
 
Jackpot2010
    25-Oct-2013 07:46  
Contact    Quote!




Business Times Published 25 Oct 2013

  MAS, SGX reviewing penny stock saga

'Extensive and thorough review' may lead to public consultation on broader issues raised

Singapore's financial market regulators, the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) and the Singapore Exchange (SGX), are conducting an " extensive review" of the activities around the now-infamous trio of stocks that crashed dramatically earlier this month after spectacular spikes over the past year.

The MAS has also been tracking the exposure of brokers to the three stocks - Blumont Group, Asiasons Capital and LionGold Corp - though it said their operations and financials remain sound. There had been talk that some brokers and remisiers may be saddled with bad debts after billions were wiped out from the market value of the three stocks.

MAS' remarks, made in response to queries from the media, were the first confirmation that authorities are investigating the circumstances surrounding the incredible rise of the three over the past year, way beyond their fundamentals, before their spectacular crash.

When the dust has settled, more than $8 billion had been wiped out from their collective market value. The fiasco had led to criticisms of whether SGX could have acted earlier to protect the interests of retail investors caught up in the bubble, and calls for a probe by authorities.

MAS said last night: " MAS and SGX are conducting an extensive review of the activities around these stocks.

" We cannot divulge more information at this point so as not to undermine potential investigations. This episode has also surfaced broader issues regarding the market structure and practices which MAS and SGX intend to review thoroughly." A public consultation could take place if changes are required after the review is completed, MAS said.

Investor Mano Sabnani said: " It's about time. If nothing is done, the credibility of the market would have been affected."

" It is necessary to do the investigation but at the same time, we can't pre-judge what caused the bubble or whether there had been any wrongdoing."

Asked about what areas could be reviewed, UOB Kay Hian's Jimmy Ho, president of the Society of Remisiers, told The Business Times that one issue is how to detect manipulation early enough. " To do so requires resources. Given the current structure, I believe SGX might not be able to do so in a proactive manner," Mr Ho said.

On the micro level, he said that the procedures followed - when SGX " designated" the stocks for nine days before lifting them - could also be questioned.

" When you come in with the designation, people expect an investigation. But before you can give them an answer, you open it up and allow opportunists to make money," he said, referring to how people carted cash to brokers to buy the stocks during the designated period, and how the stocks almost doubled in price when the restrictions were lifted.

But no matter how the review pans out, the " buyer beware rule" should still apply, said Mr Sabnani. " There's no way in which SGX and MAS can protect greedy, naive investors who want to plonk their money into... companies at high prices, but at the same time, there are laws to prevent manipulation and cornering of stocks that regulators will be looking into for violations."

The crash on Oct 4 led to SGX labelling Blumont, Asiasons and LionGold designated stocks, meaning a ban on short-selling and contra positions. This meant people had to bring cash to their brokers to settle their trades. When trading resumed on Oct 7, the three stocks fell further.

The restrictions were lifted on Monday, and prices almost doubled. Nevertheless, as of yesterday, Blumont and Asiasons were trading at 10 per cent of pre-crash levels, and LionGold at about 20 per cent.

The other area MAS said it was monitoring was the exposure of broking firms to the three stocks. It said it had been collecting reports on losses and major counterparty exposure arising from the brokers' exposures to the three counters.

" The operations and financial positions of the broking firms remain sound. We will continue to monitor the situation closely," it said.

Major brokerages DBS Vickers Securities, OCBC Securities and Maybank Kim Eng had said they suffered insignificant losses because risk controls were put in place. UOB Kay Hian, the largest retail brokerage here, had also put their own curbs on various penny stocks.

US online discount brokerage Interactive Brokers Group, however, said it has accounts in the deficit of US$68 million. This was revealed by Thomas Peterffy, the firm's chairman and CEO, in the firm's third-quarter earnings call on Oct 15. " The accounts were margined and we were able to liquidate only a small part of the position," he said.

Without naming the stocks, Mr Peterffy said there were four of them that lost over 90 per cent of their value in a short timeframe in early October. The customers, however, were about seven individuals who were " well-known industrialists" with positions in other companies.

" We believe that the customers have substantial assets independent of the companies involved and we are currently organising our legal team to collect on these debts. We are currently also in the process of modifying our margin lending methodology to limit the chances of similar events happening in the future," he said.

 
 
FearValueGreed
    25-Oct-2013 07:31  
Contact    Quote!
Gap at 0.129 may close . Another opportunity for asiasons as no director sold or force sold its share.
 

 
FearValueGreed
    24-Oct-2013 23:31  
Contact    Quote!


with this latest news, maybe tmr will drop, so just have to wait and see.

 

remove q liao
 
 
FearValueGreed
    24-Oct-2013 23:27  
Contact    Quote!


Authorities to review market structure and practices * Say broking firms exposed to three stocks are sound (Recasts with comments from the central bank) By Anshuman Daga and Rachel Armstrong

 

SINGAPORE, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Singapore's central bank and stock market operator are conducting an extensive review of recent share price volatility in three inter-linked Singapore companies, which wiped out billions of dollars in combined market value from the firms. Singapore Exchange Ltd (SGX), which is both the market operator and the regulator, suspended trading in shares of Blumont Group Ltd, Asiasons Capital Ltd and LionGold Corp Ltd on Oct. 4, after sharp declines in their stock prices. It then slapped trading restrictions on them for two weeks. " MAS and SGX are conducting an extensive review of the activities around these stocks," the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) told Reuters late on Thursday in an e-mail response to questions. " We cannot divulge more information at this point so as not to undermine potential investigations. This episode has also surfaced broader issues regarding the market structure and practices which MAS and SGX intend to review thoroughly. Upon completion of the review, we will consult the public if changes are required," it said. The comments from the MAS, which oversees the SGX, follow criticism in the local media that SGX had stepped in too late to tame the volatility. SGX's dual role as market operator and regulator has in the past raised questions about a conflict of interest as it regulates listed companies that are also its clients. The remarks from Singapore's central bank are also the first confirmation that authorities had kicked off an investigation into the activities surrounding the three stocks. The stocks lost up to S$8.7 billion ($7 billion) in combined market value in a few sessions this month, and fell back to being the penny stocks they were before dramatic gains earlier this year. Blumont's stock closed at S$0.20 on Thursday, compared with a high on Oct. 1 of S$2.50. Asiasons Capital fell 2 percent to S$0.23 at Thursday's close, against a high of S$2.80 at the beginning of the month. Under the trading curbs, the first to be imposed on any Singapore-listed stocks for five years, SGX declared the stocks as " designated securities." That meant traders could not short-sell them and had to pay for any purchases with cash upfront. Traders have said several brokerages in Singapore could lose millions of dollars following those big price falls. The MAS however said the operations and financial positions of broking firms exposed to those stocks remain sound and it will continue to keep a close watch on the brokerages. " MAS has been closely monitoring the exposure of the broking firms by collecting reports on losses and major counterparty exposure arising from their exposures to the three counters." Earlier on Thursday, an association representing Singapore's retail investors called for a probe into the three stocks. Analysts had said sharp gains seen in the three stocks earlier this year had not been backed by obvious business fundamentals.
 
 
lglg666
    24-Oct-2013 23:01  
Contact    Quote!
Best to go slow with these 3.....game is not over and it can go both ways. It will be very painful if the game goes against u. Play safe

NoMoney      ( Date: 24-Oct-2013 22:07) Posted:

wad about liongold? just bought at 32 cent then drop argggg tot can move further to 60 cent range

SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 22-Oct-2013 20:45) Posted:



Did a further check on Asiason for it's results from 2009 - 2013 and I realized that Asiason's fair value gains in investment is actually recurring and not just 1-time as I have thought. However, based on 4.5 years' results, including 2013, the annual investment income is on average 18.25 million. Valuing it as purely an investment company and using a good discount factor of 0.04 (due to it's strong balance sheet), and assuming that all investment incomes can be translated into cash, number of shares = 979,764,476 (assuming no dilution), my personal fair value for Asiasons is 0.47.

For Blumont, based on 3.5 years' results, including 2013, the annual investment income is on average 22.2 million. Likewise, valuing it as purely an investment company and using a good discount factor of 0.04 (due to it's strong balance sheet), and assuming that all investment incomes can be translated into cash, number of shares = 1,710,004,586 (assuming no dilution), my personal fair value for Blumont is 0.325.

I do not have any position in these 2 counters and am just merely here to share and answer my own doubts. I may not be correct for there may be further growth and prospects other investors may see. But in my own opinion, their once lofty share prices of above $2 are indeed grossly overvalued. Always do your own due diligence and thanks..


 
 
NoMoney
    24-Oct-2013 22:07  
Contact    Quote!
wad about liongold? just bought at 32 cent then drop argggg tot can move further to 60 cent range

SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 22-Oct-2013 20:45) Posted:



Did a further check on Asiason for it's results from 2009 - 2013 and I realized that Asiason's fair value gains in investment is actually recurring and not just 1-time as I have thought. However, based on 4.5 years' results, including 2013, the annual investment income is on average 18.25 million. Valuing it as purely an investment company and using a good discount factor of 0.04 (due to it's strong balance sheet), and assuming that all investment incomes can be translated into cash, number of shares = 979,764,476 (assuming no dilution), my personal fair value for Asiasons is 0.47.

For Blumont, based on 3.5 years' results, including 2013, the annual investment income is on average 22.2 million. Likewise, valuing it as purely an investment company and using a good discount factor of 0.04 (due to it's strong balance sheet), and assuming that all investment incomes can be translated into cash, number of shares = 1,710,004,586 (assuming no dilution), my personal fair value for Blumont is 0.325.

I do not have any position in these 2 counters and am just merely here to share and answer my own doubts. I may not be correct for there may be further growth and prospects other investors may see. But in my own opinion, their once lofty share prices of above $2 are indeed grossly overvalued. Always do your own due diligence and thanks..


SFGuyRuleZ      ( Date: 20-Oct-2013 03:51) Posted:

Just to add on. I am not sure about the business model of both Asiasons and Blumont. But from what I can see, the main reason why they are making profits is because of fair value gains in their investments, which I believe is at most 1-time and non-recurring once they realise their gains. Offsetting this, they are actually incurring losses or negligible profits from other daily operations. Is there really potential in these 2 companies?? Just my own food for thought..


 
 
edwinjup
    24-Oct-2013 22:06  
Contact    Quote!
If u yet to invest...may be can.wait for.mas ans...if u have invested..u decide...ur.money...

edwinjup      ( Date: 24-Oct-2013 21:11) Posted:

Dj news reported mas may review and leadto Investigation of these three counters..may be why up and fall too fast...good at least we know all the whys...if the company did not sell fish..it ok..dont worry..just let us know why

 

 
FearValueGreed
    24-Oct-2013 21:17  
Contact    Quote!
Q at 22cents never got.

Nvm. Tmr T+4. Some force selling will take place. Maybe scoop a bit for play play.

FearValueGreed      ( Date: 24-Oct-2013 00:23) Posted:

Sold for a 4cents profit.

Thank you for kopi monies.

May buy again

 
 
edwinjup
    24-Oct-2013 21:11  
Contact    Quote!
Dj news reported mas may review and leadto Investigation of these three counters..may be why up and fall too fast...good at least we know all the whys...if the company did not sell fish..it ok..dont worry..just let us know why
 
 
WanSiTong
    24-Oct-2013 16:01  
Contact    Quote!


The 3 counters recovering.............

hongyuan      ( Date: 24-Oct-2013 10:55) Posted:

L B A rebound.... Huat Huat Huat....

 
 
hongyuan
    24-Oct-2013 10:55  
Contact    Quote!
L B A rebound.... Huat Huat Huat....
 
 
edwinjup
    24-Oct-2013 10:02  
Contact    Quote!
My uncle.bought some..at 245..ask to sell when 345..dont wan...now regret and wan.to fight.until.last day....friday...or.monday

Never intend to pick up...need hard cash

edwinjup      ( Date: 24-Oct-2013 09:58) Posted:

All brokerage now very scare....no one can let me use.my margin account to buy although I.got good records...buy contra.must sell within 5days


Higher risk

 
Important: Please read our Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy .