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senecus
    30-Nov-2009 22:55  
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Seems like the market over reacted......

 
 
 
limkt009
    30-Nov-2009 20:52  
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DUBAI - The government of Dubai does not guarantee the debt of Dubai World, a senior finance department official said on Monday, effectively washing its hands of the woes facing the embattled conglomerate.


'It is true that the government is the owner, but as the firm has several activities and exposed to different sorts of risks, the decision was from the day of its establishment that the company would not be guaranteed by the government,' head of the Dubai Department of Finance Abdulrahman al-Saleh said in an interview with state-owned Dubai Television. -- AFP
 
 
iPunter
    30-Nov-2009 20:20  
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If they are smart, they could have shorted the market at the highs (Dow) just before they announce their predicament to the world...

Then their gain would be enormous... Smiley
 

 
soloman
    30-Nov-2009 20:17  
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REUTERS:

Where next for the ruling family in Dubai?" said British historian Christopher Davidson. "The massive loss of legitimacy that the ruler is now facing, the massive loss of legitimacy that his son and crown prince face after lying to the World Economic Forum last week -- where do these guys go from here?"
 
 
soloman
    30-Nov-2009 20:13  
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Aside from its more eye-catching projects seen by many as white elephants, such as palm-shaped man-made islands and the world's tallest tower, Dubai developed health services, universities, sports facilities and model urban communities.
 
 
TradeChancellor
    30-Nov-2009 19:59  
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I think a ah-long runner can earn 100k by just spraying O$P$ lol
 

 
limroy88
    30-Nov-2009 19:54  
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how about $2.5b approx.

Be a debt collector for this, taking a small cut and you can be a multi-millionaire.



soloman      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 19:46) Posted:



CAN ANYONE CALCULATE THE INTEREST FOR APPROX US$80 BILLION FOR 6 MONTHS

 

 
 
soloman
    30-Nov-2009 19:46  
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CAN ANYONE CALCULATE THE INTEREST FOR APPROX US$80 BILLION FOR 6 MONTHS

 
 
 
soloman
    30-Nov-2009 18:36  
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PALM ISLAND - THAT MUST BE THE BIGGEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE  JOKE OF THE WORLD ............
 
 
soloman
    30-Nov-2009 18:07  
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DUBAI SHOULD BE CALLED GOODBYE

THE SHARKS WILL RIP THEM APART ....

EVEN IF NOT, THEY WILL GO DOWN WITH THEIR SO CALLED DEBT MORATORIUM

JUST ANOTHER DIRTY WORD TO RIP OFF OTHERS WHO LEND THEM MONEY

THATS HOW THESE GUYS ARE.

THEY WILL PAY WITH THEIR FUTURE GENERAQTIONS MOST AFFECTED

THEY CAN EVEN DEMAND NASDAQ STOP TRADING THEIR BONDS .......
 

 
smartrader
    30-Nov-2009 17:10  
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Thu, Nov 26 2009. 12:07 AM

PSA lures three container carriers from DP World


Bangalore: Singapore-based PSA International Pte Ltd, the world’s second biggest container port operator, has persuaded three container carriers being serviced by rival DP World Pvt. Ltd to use its new terminal, the second at Union government-owned Chennai port in Tamil Nadu.

A container shipping service run by a consortium of Pacific International Lines Pte Ltd, K Line America Inc. and sate-run Shipping Corp. of India Ltd (SCI) will start calling at the new terminal, Chennai International Terminals Pvt. Ltd, from 16 December, according to two persons familiar with the development. Chennai International Terminals is 73% held by PSA International, which in turn is fully owned by Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd, the investment arm of the Singapore government. The remaining stake is held by local firm Sical Logistics Ltd.

The three container carriers are currently using Chennai Container Terminal Pvt. Ltd, run by DP World, the world’s fourth biggest container port operator, majority owned by the Dubai government.

The three carriers operate a direct weekly service called Indfex 2, carrying cargo containers from the east coast of India to East Asia, South Asia and South-East Asia, mainly China and back.

“The consortium partners have given a termination notice to the DP World terminal to stop calling there after signing an agreement with the PSA terminal,” said an executive at SCI. “We were able to negotiate better rates with the new terminal.”

The executive declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media and also because the decision to move to the new terminal for loading and unloading containers has not been made public yet.

Spokespersons at Pacific International Lines, K Line and SCI declined to comment. PSA also declined to comment.

“Since there are commercially sensitive discussions going on amongst the consortium members at this point in time, it is a bit premature for us to make any comment on the same,” said Rowena Ribeiro, general manager, marketing and communication, Indian subcontinent, at DP World.

The joint venture between PSA and Sical has invested around Rs600 crore to build the new facility, which it will operate for 30 years.

The PSA-Sical facility, with a capacity to handle 1.5 million standard containers a year, will be formally opened in December. The new facility has an on-dock rail link, allowing trains carrying containers to come directly into the terminal.

PSA is opening a new terminal when container business at ports in India, Asia’s third biggest economy, has witnessed a decline in the wake of the global recession.

For instance, Chennai port, India’s second biggest Union government-owned container port after Jawaharlal Nehru Port in Mumbai, handled 588,000 standard containers in the first six months of the current fiscal year, compared with 629,000 standard containers the previous year.

During the April-September period, the 12 ports together handled 3.32 million standard containers, 6.32% lower than the 3.55 million standard containers they handled the previous year.

After DP World, PSA is the biggest foreign investor in Indian container port terminal projects. The Singapore-based firm has a 57.5% stake in a container handling facility at the Tuticorin port, 49% in a container terminal at the Kolkata port and another 49% in a facility at the Kandla port.
 
 
soloman
    30-Nov-2009 17:00  
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LAST TIME DUBAI VS SPORE AND WIN ON THE PORTS

NOW WE KNOW ITS AN EMPTY WIN

ONLY PROVEN NOW : OUR SPORE BUSINESS BRAINS WERE BETTER THAN THEIRS

THEIR HOPE OF FINANCIAL CENTRE GOES UP IN SMOKE ALSO
 
 
smartrader
    30-Nov-2009 15:31  
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this comment is not a personal attack -- to explain in  context -  if one believes that the end of world is, say, 21 Dec 2012  according to ancient calendar, then let's ask ourselves what are the most meaningful things to do from now -- Surely, it cannot be making money in stocks .,..

boyikao3      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 12:57) Posted:

Wah ! How can you ask people not to be here??? We should practice forum Democracy and not forum Absolutism - everyone has a opinion and belief and this is healthy. U think you so smart meh? Smiley

smartrader      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 11:08) Posted:

then you should not be here..since you know there is an end to everything..cheers !!!


 
 
niuyear
    30-Nov-2009 15:29  
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Lets see if oil is at US$8.00, how much will US$ worth. 



Hulumas      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 09:46) Posted:

Next.... crude oil price may crash to USD. 8.00 perhaps, while the day USA will print enough USD 10,000 notes will come? Ha. ha.. ha...

cheongwee      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 02:42) Posted:



what have Dubai got to do with sinotel and sinomem, and swiber???

guy just buy for big profit...

i thk sti down on the basic of capitaland and those bank suspect to have ecxposure to Dubai..

mid cap and penny to remain as usual...

but come 2010...it is going to be Eastern Europe turn..since communism colapse...Western Europe have loan their Eastern bros..some 1.7T euro...with the crises...their Estern Euope are in deep shit default on the loan for sure...

and more ARM to reset in May 2010...this time even prime also sky rocket...in the US...

i think Dubai maybe opn the flood gate to all those fund still sitting on the side line...


 
 
niuyear
    30-Nov-2009 15:22  
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I seconded this!

smartrader      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 09:37) Posted:

Dubai World break-up showed that oil money is not always mighty and economics prevails. Time for singapore companies to buy their port facilities and infra-structure businesses (our competitor) at cheaper price....

 

 
nokia2iphone
    30-Nov-2009 15:18  
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It would be interesting to know who are the banks/institutions selling CDS linked to Dubai World. The potential losses from CDS in the case where Dubai World defaults would be hard to estimate. This is the scary part. If UAE only rescues after CDS default event triggered, the damage would have been done already.

Jackpot2010      ( Date: 28-Nov-2009 23:50) Posted:



Local companies with exposure to Dubai world - to avoid.

1. DBS (Islamic banking branch in Dubai)

2. City Dev (two-third of South Beach Proj owned by middle eastern investor, of which Dubai owns one-third).

3. Ascott Reits (operate 3 service apts in Dubai)

4. UOB, OCBC, DBS (syndicate loan to South Beach Proj).

5. SMRT

6. Any others ? Please add to this list.

 
 
risktaker
    30-Nov-2009 13:10  
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UAE CB will support Dubai World so it calms the market a little so Dubai world will not have to repay their debts till May 2010. Remember this is just calming down the market. Expected revenues for some banks.

Otherwise we are in for a good healthy correction in near term for dec-jan. Rally will ease around March.
 
 
boyikao3
    30-Nov-2009 12:57  
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Wah ! How can you ask people not to be here??? We should practice forum Democracy and not forum Absolutism - everyone has a opinion and belief and this is healthy. U think you so smart meh? Smiley

smartrader      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 11:08) Posted:

then you should not be here..since you know there is an end to everything..cheers !!!

 
 
abc2xyz
    30-Nov-2009 11:37  
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Haha, I gotcha!  This is just a forum mah.  Don't take it too seriously.  Nobody can tell the future.

smartrader      ( Date: 30-Nov-2009 11:08) Posted:

then you should not be here..since you know there is an end to everything..cheers !!!

 
 
smartrader
    30-Nov-2009 11:08  
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then you should not be here..since you know there is an end to everything..cheers !!!
 
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