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smartrader, richtan and integrity......thank for your generousity...i got to leave for now..hope you all continue to post generously and contribute...i sincerely thanks you for putting up with me...and for your kindness.
hope you all make killing tomolo...tomolo shd be ok..bye for now.
just to service the interest alone is some feww hundred billion dollars..
the only way to pay is by default....the dollar go to zero..
but the US$ will not collapse so fast...
in fact, today i read abt the carry trade in the strait times....and believe it will strengthen later , if stock really lau sai..like the yen carry trade...
Integrity ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:15) Posted:
US debt of trillions dollars is indeed unbelievable, just ask yourself will you invest in a company with such a substantial amount of debt?
Personally, i feel that this artificial rally is through the support of huge stimulus plans, it will not last long.
Look, we are looking at trillions of US dollars and to repay this amount of money is going to take decades.
Just stay vigiliant at this point of time, you make your own decision because the money is yours.
For me, i will just stay on the life boat and see whether if the Titanic ahead will hit the iceberg, which i think most likely it will.
Cheers!
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I cant speak for others, but definitely, I dun hate u.
I love and admire your guts to share something so extreme and unimaginable, it keeps me on my guard, as who knows (touch wood) it might turns out to be true, though unimaginable.
We are her to to exchange pointers, "hua sun lun chien'", fine-tune our stock mkt "martial art and sword-fighting skills".
cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:14) Posted:
i hope he is wrong, if he is right, then also jiat lat...all ppl suffer...i cannot imagine what effect that will have on my business at dow 3800...durinf SAR..i suffer big losses...so far this recession,, slightly only...
hope all well...even those who hate me..really,,,they already hate me,so why shd i hate them..dont make sense...right???
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:04) Posted:
Hahaha... no offence to u, cheongwee, just a joke.
If my grandson ask me who is that guy..i would not say he is my Great Grand Father..., I dun want to disgrace my Great Grand Father. My Great Grand Father is from China, the land of the now roaring dragon, the saviour of the beggar country and the world. hahahahaha..
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another 10000 days ..i be gone ..if lucky, if not another 10 sec...hehehehe..
is there a stock market over the other side???...if it is..then it is super hyperinflation...now it is seven month(chinese)... those hell note got so many zeroooooooooooooooooo..on it....scaring..
in hell also you cannot escape inflation...it must be a very hot market down there..
US debt of trillions dollars is indeed unbelievable, just ask yourself will you invest in a company with such a substantial amount of debt?
Personally, i feel that this artificial rally is through the support of huge stimulus plans, it will not last long.
Look, we are looking at trillions of US dollars and to repay this amount of money is going to take decades.
Just stay vigiliant at this point of time, you make your own decision because the money is yours.
For me, i will just stay on the life boat and see whether if the Titanic ahead will hit the iceberg, which i think most likely it will.
Cheers!
Last week's SSE rocking to me is just a small blip, a correction, growth in China is for sure, being the richest country on mother earth now, they call the shots now, even US kwai-kwai, have to bow to them, pat their President's back, not the other way round..
cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:07) Posted:
savior...last wk SSE ..rock STI..luckily Wall st..soar..if not got torpedo on both side sure sink deep...
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:04) Posted:
Hahaha... no offence to u, cheongwee, just a joke.
If my grandson ask me who is that guy..i would not say he is my Great Grand Father..., I dun want to disgrace my Great Grand Father. My Great Grand Father is from China, the land of the now roaring dragon, the saviour of the beggar country and the world. hahahahaha..
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i hope he is wrong, if he is right, then also jiat lat...all ppl suffer...i cannot imagine what effect that will have on my business at dow 3800...durinf SAR..i suffer big losses...so far this recession,, slightly only...
hope all well...even those who hate me..really,,,they already hate me,so why shd i hate them..dont make sense...right???
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:04) Posted:
Hahaha... no offence to u, cheongwee, just a joke.
If my grandson ask me who is that guy..i would not say he is my Great Grand Father..., I dun want to disgrace my Great Grand Father. My Great Grand Father is from China, the land of the now roaring dragon, the saviour of the beggar country and the world. hahahahaha..
cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:37) Posted:
no , i bought his book, but i am not his fan, but he got some right..but this rd he seen right..so???..i bet he is right..
it is better like richtan said u trust your own action...it is better, you can only blamre yourself for your own action.....
wait first...wait oct we see then say.....afterall he did say oct 2010.or 20111...it is beginning oct 2009...very close..right??
buying his book to read does not make me a fan...i am a fan of money...hahahaha..
u know those fiat currency which got a picture of President...u know, my grandson ask me who is that guy..i said he is my Great Grand Father...hahahahaha..
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savior...last wk SSE ..rock STI..luckily Wall st..soar..if not got torpedo on both side sure sink deep...
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 17:04) Posted:
Hahaha... no offence to u, cheongwee, just a joke.
If my grandson ask me who is that guy..i would not say he is my Great Grand Father..., I dun want to disgrace my Great Grand Father. My Great Grand Father is from China, the land of the now roaring dragon, the saviour of the beggar country and the world. hahahahaha..
cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:37) Posted:
no , i bought his book, but i am not his fan, but he got some right..but this rd he seen right..so???..i bet he is right..
it is better like richtan said u trust your own action...it is better, you can only blamre yourself for your own action.....
wait first...wait oct we see then say.....afterall he did say oct 2010.or 20111...it is beginning oct 2009...very close..right??
buying his book to read does not make me a fan...i am a fan of money...hahahaha..
u know those fiat currency which got a picture of President...u know, my grandson ask me who is that guy..i said he is my Great Grand Father...hahahahaha..
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Hahaha... no offence to u, cheongwee, just a joke.
If my grandson ask me who is that guy..i would not say he is my Great Grand Father..., I dun want to disgrace my Great Grand Father. My Great Grand Father is from China, the land of the now roaring dragon, the saviour of the beggar country and the world. hahahahaha..
cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:37) Posted:
no , i bought his book, but i am not his fan, but he got some right..but this rd he seen right..so???..i bet he is right..
it is better like richtan said u trust your own action...it is better, you can only blamre yourself for your own action.....
wait first...wait oct we see then say.....afterall he did say oct 2010.or 20111...it is beginning oct 2009...very close..right??
buying his book to read does not make me a fan...i am a fan of money...hahahaha..
u know those fiat currency which got a picture of President...u know, my grandson ask me who is that guy..i said he is my Great Grand Father...hahahahaha..
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If wat he said is true tat by Oct 2010, DOW dropped to 3,800, tat is equivalent to a mkt crashed, real scary and nightmarish, maybe something even more severe than 911 - asteriods hit earth, etc (touched wood, hope not).
If by Oct, his predictions failed, he will definitely be another fallen star like wat I mentioned in my earlier post about a formerly well-known lady guru tat had fallen from grace and now trying to regain her former glory by making her predictions riding under the clout of a well-known brokerage (reminds me of the story of a wolf standing behind a lion)
cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:37) Posted:
no , i bought his book, but i am not his fan, but he got some right..but this rd he seen right..so???..i bet he is right..
it is better like richtan said u trust your own action...it is better, you can only blamre yourself for your own action.....
wait first...wait oct we see then say.....afterall he did say oct 2010.or 20111...it is beginning oct 2009...very close..right??
buying his book to read does not make me a fan...i am a fan of money...hahahaha..
u know those fiat currency which got a picture of President...u know, my grandson ask me who is that guy..i said he is my Great Grand Father...hahahahaha..
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10 to 20% is too chun...
i once read that if one is able to make buy and sell at close to 10 to 20% of low and high...he is some top 5% in the market....really..i read that before..i am not lying..
i hope you come across this also...
no expert can make call within 10 to 20%,,..that is too accurate..
i would say 60%..of the time....u see,,even my buy base on rumour in market..it some 30% enough for me to make $$$..
what i do is if it is wrong..i cut lose immediately and lose little...but if it is right it return me handsomely...
like healthway..bought 11c..sell 13.5..but i heard another one so i go to Li heng...and now hyfluxWT...but the most profitable have benn SAR and now Mermaid..
i heard more of Mermaid and bet big,,,some 50% over on this now...before hell come ..
of course,,,if he is wrong will be better...we continue to make $$$..it is easier to make in a bull..
I beg to differ tat this round he is really right, having to revise
his predictions which swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800. even as 2010 still not yet reached.cheongwee ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:37) Posted:
no , i bought his book, but i am not his fan, but he got some right..but this rd he seen right..so???..i bet he is right..
it is better like richtan said u trust your own action...it is better, you can only blamre yourself for your own action.....
wait first...wait oct we see then say.....afterall he did say oct 2010.or 20111...it is beginning oct 2009...very close..right??
buying his book to read does not make me a fan...i am a fan of money...hahahaha..
u know those fiat currency which got a picture of President...u know, my grandson ask me who is that guy..i said he is my Great Grand Father...hahahahaha..
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no , i bought his book, but i am not his fan, but he got some right..but this rd he seen right..so???..i bet he is right..
it is better like richtan said u trust your own action...it is better, you can only blamre yourself for your own action.....
wait first...wait oct we see then say.....afterall he did say oct 2010.or 20111...it is beginning oct 2009...very close..right??
buying his book to read does not make me a fan...i am a fan of money...hahahaha..
u know those fiat currency which got a picture of President...u know, my grandson ask me who is that guy..i said he is my Great Grand Father...hahahahaha..
But alas, he is not at all chun, having to revise his predictions which swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800. even as 2010 still not yet reached.
If at least his prediction is off-mark by +/- 10 to 20%, I think it would still be acceptable.
dealer0168 ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:29) Posted:
If Dent is so chun, he is GOD already. Hahaha.
He only makes his own point. Emm currently i would say he is speculating (as things haven't surface up).
Let monitor the global financial with our own hard work. Do our own study is the best.
Cheers.
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:23) Posted:
Extracted from below:
"If Dent indeed holds this position, it would be interesting to ask him how his predictions could swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800."
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Extracted from below:
The scenarios of extreme pessimists, like Harry Dent (who were recently extreme optimists), generally ignore innovation altogether or predict that innovation has basically come to an end. In an interview just a month ago in the Minneapolis-St. Paul StarTribune, Mr. Dent ended by saying that innovation will not have much impact in the next couple of decades, because new innovation from here will just be incremental, not revolutionary.
He said "The iPhone's going to get better, broadband is going to get better, but you don't get the same impact from those improvements that you do from the adoptions of computers and cell phones." In other words, he sees only "sustaining innovation," not truly "disruptive innovation," in the terminology developed by Clayton Christensen. Harry Dent basically believes that innovation is tied to impersonal cycles just like everything else, and when the innovation cycle is on the way down, innovation will not make much impact.
This is as foolish as the apocryphal story of the Patent Office Commissioner who supposedly suggested to President McKinley that the US close the Patent Office in 1899, because "everything that could be invented had already been invented."
Not only do we not believe that innovation is bound up by multi-decade cycles as Dent argues, but we believe that the evidence shows that the pace of innovation increases over time. In fact, inventor and entrepreneur Ray Kurzweil, whom the Wall Street Journal calls "the restless genius" and Forbes magazine calls "the ultimate thinking machine," has observed that the pace of innovation increases not in a linear fashion but rather in an exponential fashion
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:23) Posted:
Extracted from below:
"If Dent indeed holds this position, it would be interesting to ask him how his predictions could swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800."
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If Dent is so chun, he is GOD already. Hahaha.
He only makes his own point. Emm currently i would say he is speculating (as things haven't surface up).
Let monitor the global financial with our own hard work. Do our own study is the best.
Cheers.
richtan ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 16:23) Posted:
Extracted from below:
"If Dent indeed holds this position, it would be interesting to ask him how his predictions could swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800."
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Agree...His fans should ask him, if not boycott his book ...
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"If Dent indeed holds this position, it would be interesting to ask him how his predictions could swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800."
Analyst revision of predictions is very common, thus why I just read at face-value, still dyodd and analyse chart myself, at least if I m wrong, I can slap myself but if I follow him and if he is wrong, I can't possibly slap him.
OMG, such a drastic turn, 360 degrees, haven't even reach his extremely bold unimaginable prediction of "38,000 to 40,000 by 2010" and now he is so fickle-minded to revise downwards to another extreme of 3,800 (OMG, another great depression, hope not in my lifetime or even my children's lifetime), better than David Copperfield's magic and reminds me of Dr. Doom, Marc Faber.
He obviously had overshot his prediction of "38,000 to 40,000 by 2010", so now will he also overshot his prediction of 3,800 or mkt proves him wrong and continues upward but may not reach his original unimaginable prediction of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010, seems extremely far-fetched.
I rather trust my own TA chart analysis, how to trust him, dun be surprised b4 late summer, he might issue another predicction of 100,000.. hahahahaha......
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"Dent declared, "stocks have to go back to about 3800" (presumably he means 3800 on the Dow, which Dent uses for most of his predictions, such as his statement in 2004 that "we are still predicting a Dow as high as 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010" -- see The Next Great Bubble Boom by the same author)."
smartrader ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:13) Posted:
The feverishly anti-business tone coming out of Washington, as well as the promise of greatly expanded government intrusion into industries from health care to energy, the prospect of significantly higher taxes in years ahead, and the threat of tremendously expanded government spending and budget deficits, has many investors wondering if we are heading for an economic re-run of the 1970s, or worse. A new book out from demographic prognosticator Harry S. Dent, entitled The Great Depression Ahead, paints a grim picture of deflation, depression and economic decline in the US and advises readers to invest in China and India. In a recent interview about the book, Dent declared, "stocks have to go back to about 3800" (presumably he means 3800 on the Dow, which Dent uses for most of his predictions, such as his statement in 2004 that "we are still predicting a Dow as high as 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010" -- see The Next Great Bubble Boom by the same author). Dire scenarios like Dent's are getting plenty of traction these days, and the economic mis-steps in government make it easy to fall into despair about the road ahead. However, as we have written before, even in times of excessive government intrusion and economic malaise, such as the 1970s in this country, there are well-run companies that are creating new fields of growth or taking advantage of major paradigm shifts, and investors would be wise to seek them out rather than just owning the "entire market" as often counseled by " wealth managers". Those who believe, like Harry Dent, that economic prosperity is governed by blind cycles outside of human control miss the central role that innovation plays in economic progress. In his most recent book, Dent states: "The truth is that Newton was right in his theory of simple and clock-like cycles. [. . .] Our economy has peaked every forty years, like clockwork-- and commodity prices have peaked every thirty years. The early part of most decades starts off weak, even in boom times. Every four years the stock market tends to take a significant correction, and about every four months it often does so again on a more minor scale" (pages 3-4). If Dent indeed holds this position, it would be interesting to ask him how his predictions could swing so wildly between his 2004 call for a Dow of 38,000 to 40,000 by 2010 and his 2009 interview calling for the Dow to drop to 3,800. Noted Austrian economist Joseph Schumpeter held almost the opposite view from Dent's deterministic model. He held that free enterprise continues to create greater and greater progress, not by choice but by necessity. He wrote that the free operation of individuals and businesses within any given industry "incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one" -- that business in a capitalistic system "not only never is but never can be stationary." This is an incredibly important truth for investors to understand, and it is why we are confident that innovation will be the engine that continues to drive prosperity, even in spite of the clumsy and unnecessary government intrusions which will probably be on the rise for the near future. The scenarios of extreme pessimists, like Harry Dent (who were recently extreme optimists), generally ignore innovation altogether or predict that innovation has basically come to an end. In an interview just a month ago in the Minneapolis-St. Paul StarTribune, Mr. Dent ended by saying that innovation will not have much impact in the next couple of decades, because new innovation from here will just be incremental, not revolutionary. He said "The iPhone's going to get better, broadband is going to get better, but you don't get the same impact from those improvements that you do from the adoptions of computers and cell phones." In other words, he sees only "sustaining innovation," not truly "disruptive innovation," in the terminology developed by Clayton Christensen. Harry Dent basically believes that innovation is tied to impersonal cycles just like everything else, and when the innovation cycle is on the way down, innovation will not make much impact. This is as foolish as the apocryphal story of the Patent Office Commissioner who supposedly suggested to President McKinley that the US close the Patent Office in 1899, because "everything that could be invented had already been invented." Not only do we not believe that innovation is bound up by multi-decade cycles as Dent argues, but we believe that the evidence shows that the pace of innovation increases over time. In fact, inventor and entrepreneur Ray Kurzweil, whom the Wall Street Journal calls "the restless genius" and Forbes magazine calls "the ultimate thinking machine," has observed that the pace of innovation increases not in a linear fashion but rather in an exponential fashion (see graph below).  In his 2005 book The Singularity is Near, Kurzweil says: "The future is widely misunderstood. Our forebears expected it to be pretty much like their present, which had been pretty much like their past. Exponential trends did exist one thousand years ago, but they were at that very early stage in which they were so flat and so slow that they looked like no trend at all. As a result, observers' expectations of an unchanged future were fulfilled. Today, we anticipate continuous technological progress and the social repercussions that follow. But the future will be far more surprising than most people realize, because few observers have truly internalized the implications of the fact that the rate of change itself is accelerating" (pages 10-11). In fact, there are many innovations that are going to be quite revolutionary in the years ahead, and we have discussed some of them in previous posts such as this one and this one. We have often stated that we do not make predictions about the next move of the overall market, and we don't suggest that investors try to time economic cycles. We do believe that the prospect of less economic freedom should give investors cause for concern, but we also believe that there will be innovation that will drive growth, and that investors who put forth the effort to seek it out have cause for continued optimism.
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Who dare to buy in Mar? a few...i was scare to buy also...today u buy tomolo cheaper, tomolo u buy, the next day get even cheaper.....but i was somehow make to buy by strong call fr friend...but i buy little....it was on mid Apr that i buy in a big way..
way back i bought blues chip...then end May i twist to mid cap and penny..till now..
AK_Francis ( Date: 23-Aug-2009 15:48) Posted:
Fascinating economy news fr US last Fri, cum DJ surged 3 digits.
As ds post title stated, for those who hold d stocks since d credit crunch, likely u will see bright light not a far future. However, if for those who bought( be it local, US or HSI, even foreign stock trusts) acc or avg stocks after 9 Mar ds yr, u will be likely shined soonest, be it lose less or making kopi $ liao. Cheers loh. |
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