Yah lah, but computer itself does not refer to your desktop or your laptops. Computer technologies and sciences of computing, without which you probably don't know that your grandfather was living in the dark ages until a hundred years ago. Meaning all of us would still be living like he did. If without the technologies, you think you are able to reply in this forum? No offense, hahaha.
louis001 ( Date: 20-Sep-2011 09:22) Posted:
aiyo, it's the same in every business in every country lah...if you are big customer with very large orders, you get very good price and very good service...
oh...please don't confuse stock market program with video game/money card programs etc...these are specially designed to make money for owner ...for people to kill time and money lah..
see, today's STI opening blue and DOW in red last night....some make money, some lose money.....
Laulan ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 16:55) Posted:
Fully agree with Senior Junction. Big institutions get lower or zero commission (pay to themselves) while small and medium investors are overcharged, is one example of imparity here in SG, a first world market only recognized by itself as first in everything.
aiyo, it's the same in every business in every country lah...if you are big customer with very large orders, you get very good price and very good service...
oh...please don't confuse stock market program with video game/money card programs etc...these are specially designed to make money for owner ...for people to kill time and money lah..
see, today's STI opening blue and DOW in red last night....some make money, some lose money.....
Laulan ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 16:55) Posted:
Fully agree with Senior Junction. Big institutions get lower or zero commission (pay to themselves) while small and medium investors are overcharged, is one example of imparity here in SG, a first world market only recognized by itself as first in everything.
The only way to protect oneself (one's money) is to be
aware of the true nature of the stock market beast.
Recognizing the true nature of the beast and be
defensive in one's play is the best way to go.
Don't blame the market if money is lost,
for if one trusts and love stocks, one is
prone to get hurt...
junction ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 16:34) Posted:
That is provided MAS does think you are creating a false market. Remember not long ago some brokers were prosecuted over keying in big buy queue and then withdrawing at the last minute? But MAS dare not take on the very big investment banks like Go Man Sucks! Indeed they are welcome with open arms to place their computers beside the SGX's and these monsters trade in microseconds and in huge amounts. They will be make whatever techniques retail traders use useless because no retail trader can match them in volume and speed. The ground is shifted in their favour at the expense of retail traders and investors. Foreign talent in SGX for foreigns benefit? Read todays Business Times.
iPunter ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 12:52) Posted:
There's nothing to stop anyone, big or small, from
placing and withdrawing their orders at their 'whims'...
After all, regardless of their size, players can all be
emotional people who respond to news, rumours, vibes, etc...
When U fall into shit hole, can computer or shit save U?
Computer is just a helper that we create, but what we really need is a lover!
Without computer we still can live through, without us can computer live itself, or give birth to more baby computer?
Human sperm and eggs is the most powerful in the world, we create ourself. We r the maker :)
hotokee ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 16:15) Posted:
I do agree with Master Laulan.
The logic is: Man versus machine...who will win? Surely not man.
And the most common known argument: Egg versus stone... which/who will win? Surely not egg.
So I do believe and I am scared and as Ipunter said only the maker of the program can withdraw the program. And if that happens,.things will be calmer, and the market is likely to be a level playground. Believe or not is our own choice. Hahaha..
Fully agree with Senior Junction. Big institutions get lower or zero commission (pay to themselves) while small and medium investors are overcharged, is one example of imparity here in SG, a first world market only recognized by itself as first in everything.
That is provided MAS does think you are creating a false market. Remember not long ago some brokers were prosecuted over keying in big buy queue and then withdrawing at the last minute? But MAS dare not take on the very big investment banks like Go Man Sucks! Indeed they are welcome with open arms to place their computers beside the SGX's and these monsters trade in microseconds and in huge amounts. They will be make whatever techniques retail traders use useless because no retail trader can match them in volume and speed. The ground is shifted in their favour at the expense of retail traders and investors. Foreign talent in SGX for foreigns benefit? Read todays Business Times.
iPunter ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 12:52) Posted:
There's nothing to stop anyone, big or small, from
placing and withdrawing their orders at their 'whims'...
After all, regardless of their size, players can all be
emotional people who respond to news, rumours, vibes, etc...
I used to work in a video game and betting machine maker. Honest one, not the horse-betting machines which we could build but did not out of some policies. The machine games, whether poker or rolletes or black jacks or even bacarrat, have a secret in it. A code that makes it impossible for the players to win more than the banker. So I think people are greedy and will definitely do the same in the stock market or the exchanges.
hotokee ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 16:15) Posted:
I do agree with Master Laulan.
The logic is: Man versus machine...who will win? Surely not man.
And the most common known argument: Egg versus stone... which/who will win? Surely not egg.
So I do believe and I am scared and as Ipunter said only the maker of the program can withdraw the program. And if that happens,.things will be calmer, and the market is likely to be a level playground. Believe or not is our own choice. Hahaha..
I do agree with Master Laulan.
The logic is: Man versus machine...who will win? Surely not man.
And the most common known argument: Egg versus stone... which/who will win? Surely not egg.
So I do believe and I am scared and as Ipunter said only the maker of the program can withdraw the program. And if that happens,.things will be calmer, and the market is likely to be a level playground. Believe or not is our own choice. Hahaha..
I've been out of SM these while so I don't visit SJ often. There are always many good ideas bouncing off here ...
Yes, probabilities odds bets calculated risks when we enter an investment ...
I've recently sold a prop investment fetching over 40% returns by holding just over 28 mths. I quoted a premium becos I wasn't keen to sell since it is my only one on hand and it was fully paid up ~ 2 mil capital. It is in gd location rt next to clarke quay going TOP anytime soon. I don't think the locals or you guys will want to buy what with so much uncertainties and choppy times ahead. But you look for this foreign investor with too much cash and for whatever reasons ... to hedge or goodness, hope not, money 'L" ....
My calculated risk? location, timing, lifestyle (with foreign investor in mind)
And luck, of course.
It has been fun ...
warrenbegger ( Date: 18-Sep-2011 21:51) Posted:
Everyday we r facing with bets, odds, chance, probability, lucky or unlucky life.
We cannot totally control our life and thats also betting? Cause there is also uncertainty in the outcome whatever we do.
Eg, some said smoking will die faster and no smoking will live longer, from the moment they smoke, they already betting how long they will survive. But sometimes life is not what we think it would be the outcome. Maybe those who smoke live longer than U and those didnt smoke kanna sickness or accident for nothing, life is somehow unfair around us. From the moment we wake up, we already facing with uncertainty. Like others said, life is a gambler/bets. U dont know what will happen next no matter how confidence U r.
Probability odds is what we can use to guess what will happen next, either by high or low chance of getting the result. Without probability, all we do is totally betting, all depend on chance and luck liao. Eg, what is the probability of playing football near the roadside or in the field without getting serious accident? And what the chance of success if u opening a business with a plan or without a plan? Ya, we cant be 100% sure in life, but we can use probability to get the success rate we think what will be the likely outcome.
In stock, 90% and 10% of winning rate is different in my view, there r not the same if i play(for new bird i dont know because they blur).
Eg, Singtel. If i want to bet on 1 player assume that 90% and 10% is not useful or all is just betting as u said (Eg given is in normal market condition)
-Player A long ST at $5+
-Player B long ST at $3+
-Player C long ST at $2+
-Player D long ST at $1+ (wait long long, LOL)
-Player E Short ST at $1 (looking for death, ha ha)
If there r 5 choices for u to bet, which player will U bets? Now U see the probability of chance? I 101% sure bet on player D cause it had the best odds and chance to win. If 90% or 10% probability is not useful and all is just a bet for uncertainty outcome. Tell me who dare to bet on player A and E, who so idiot to do that?
In gamblers worlds, theres not such things as professional casino gambler, but there is professional poker player around. Those expert in WSOP, Texas Holdem or Omaha will know what i talking about. Games of chance = Pure betting. Games of skill = Higher Probability chance of winning than others that depend totally on luck. In very short time frame, maybe all is betting. But in a longer time frame, mosty skillful play will edge out.
That why in stock, short term is unpredictable but long term is more predictable. If u tell warren buffeet that from the moment he invest/or bet for uncertainty outcome, i think he will F**K U, lol. Different people got different view, thats depend how well u can see through those confusion. My friend last time also told me that stock market is a big casino, all is just betting and he also lose a lots. I let him see my portfoilo and he said why like that, why can buy the same stock but different result. I told him why and he know thats all along he was just betting. Maybe we r all betting for different unknown result, but to me every bet is different if u know whats and when to bet.
Betting is just a words, to me, make the right bets is the key to success. If every thing in stock is just betting and gambling, there wont be any famous legend investor or super trader around thats can show and prove u thats their account make it. Their result show all of us liao, why they can make it? Why? U know the ways to the bank?
I want to said sorry sorry and more sorry to some. This is just my own view and i can be very very wrong. Lets learn from each others, cheers :)
Yes, you believe what you believe whatever it may be.
Play the game right, Sam!!!!
Nothing here that we can change or influence and for that matter, we just have to play the games according to the rules.
Cheer!!!!
louis001 ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 12:31) Posted:
it's the same for everyone, anyone can key in order and withdraw any time they want....
except BBs' order are large..and that can change price movements....
now with faster machine and program to increase liquidity and attract more players...
remember.... it's a game people play, be it golf, tennis, badminton, each with it's own rules , pace and excitement...
wishbone ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 12:17) Posted:
There may be some elements of truth but may not be exactly as mentioned here. This may explain about the fake Q which at time disappeared with just a blink of the eyes and also sudden price movement.
it's the same for everyone, anyone can key in order and withdraw any time they want....
except BBs' order are large..and that can change price movements....
now with faster machine and program to increase liquidity and attract more players...
remember.... it's a game people play, be it golf, tennis, badminton, each with it's own rules , pace and excitement...
wishbone ( Date: 19-Sep-2011 12:17) Posted:
There may be some elements of truth but may not be exactly as mentioned here. This may explain about the fake Q which at time disappeared with just a blink of the eyes and also sudden price movement.
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