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jackjames
    22-Jun-2007 17:19  
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horrible closing at 1.28, hmm......... when every counter bullish, this counter drop to all time low... time to pick some discounted items?
 
 
EastonBay
    22-Jun-2007 16:41  
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yeah man, don't look good, large lot sell at 1.3 and 1.29. Do they know something we don't.? (there are 100k lots buy up too but nothing as compares to 630k and 454k)

 

15:16:46 1.290 100,000 Sell Down
15:13:38 1.300 630,000 Sell Down
15:11:06 1.310 5,000 Buy Up
16:25:32 1.290 10,000 Buy Up
16:25:18 1.290 454,000 Sell Down
16:18:42 1.290 20,000 Sell Down


16:30:23 1.290 100,000 Buy Up
16:29:41 1.290 35,000 Sell Down
16:29:26 1.290 265,000 Buy Up
 
 
zuzuzuzu
    22-Jun-2007 16:19  
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wow.....drop again...$1.10 coming soon?
 

 
EastonBay
    21-Jun-2007 16:19  
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sorry abt the mess, don't know what happened. Hope it won't happen again. Also, I read elsewhere (but I can't find it) that Cityspring is a likely investor.

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Singapore?s state investment company, Temasek, plans to sell its wholly owned power

companies - PowerSeraya, Senoko Power and Tuas Power - within the next 12-18 months.

The disposal is part of the liberalisation of Singapore?s electricity market and follows the

recent passage of legislation to promote the competitive wholesale supply of gas and

power. Malaysia? YTL and Hong Kong's CLP have been mentioned as possible buyers ofSembCorp, a Singapore conglomerate owned by Temasek,

has expressed interest in buying one of the power companies. The sale is also expected to

attract the interest of private equity groups, such as Macquarie Bank and Babcock &

Brown, which have bought utility assets in Australia and overseas. (FT)

 
 
EastonBay
    21-Jun-2007 16:14  
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Singapore?s state investment company, Temasek, plans to sell its wholly owned power

companies - PowerSeraya, Senoko Power and Tuas Power - within the next 12-18 months.

The disposal is part of the liberalisation of Singapore?s electricity market and follows the

recent passage of legislation to promote the competitive wholesale supply of gas and

power. Malaysia?s

the Singapore plants, while

has expressed interest in buying one of the power companies. The sale is also expected to

attract the interest of private equity groups, such as Macquarie Bank and Babcock &

Brown, which have bought utility assets in Australia and overseas. (FT)YTL and Hong Kong's CLP have been mentioned as possible buyers ofSembCorp, a Singapore conglomerate owned by Temasek,

 
 
sohguanh
    21-Jun-2007 16:05  
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nickyng: by now u shld know my strategy is those buy and hold type so no contra or short and so bull or bear market does not affect me tat much. juz tat nowadays all stock price rise up i cannot accumulate my desired stock at lower price liao :(

happy contra-ing and short-ing! hope to see you post more positive news in SJ :) 
 

 
nickyng
    21-Jun-2007 15:59  
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no lah...been busy lately...partly oso bull mkt..more into contra than short mah..so how's it going for u sohguan ??? got catch the BULL? hee..
 
 
sohguanh
    21-Jun-2007 15:40  
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today see a fair bit of red color and nickyng is here! hahahaa... so now scouting for potential stock to short mr nicky? :)
 
 
nickyng
    21-Jun-2007 15:38  
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hmm...wonder the recent news of Temasek's selling of 3x genco has any impact on this burger??

assume that mabbe cityspring got 1x and sembcorp got 1x and a foreigner co. got the other genco....wat's the outcome?? SHORT? CONTRA? hee....
 
 
nickyng
    23-May-2007 15:19  
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wow..this SLEEPING beauty has awaken !! SHORT ?? hee...
 

 
teeth53
    21-May-2007 22:37  
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Get ready once $1.50 marks arrive, co's 40 mil shares to be sold .......:(
 
 
Luostock
    21-May-2007 22:35  
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Hope that this is once off (with the price down by about 8% due to about 8% new shares given to those blood suckers). The management ought to be "kuan sai". One consolation is the AD is looking good with the troughs getting higher.
 
 
pasttime
    21-May-2007 22:28  
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i think do not need to feel too bad already.

1. the trustee-manage fee looks like unlikely to be reverse unless they want to save good will.

2. until price go pass 149 i think not much to pay out already.

3. if tm inject projects, cash distributions per units likely to increase but unit price will not cheong as there is now an understanding of how it will affect profitability although not much impact on cash but who wants to have more units distributed to share the cash.

so if one is looking for dividend only. maybe ok. else just sell and move on. at current div 6c it will take about 22 years to get back capital. if with natural growth of gas business then maybe faster.

if market take different view and price goes beyond 149 then that is consider bonus for all unit holders who want to exit.

i am moving on t real estate co first then come back later. almost every project launch are sold quickly now. has not seen it for many years. 

buy sell at your own calc. no inducement to trade.



 
 
 
jessie
    21-May-2007 22:00  
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indeed, all vested are cursing and swearing. Lucky for me, holding only 5 lots lah... My colleague is holding 20 lots and she is cursing every day..... sigh.....

 

 
 
 
harryp
    21-May-2007 21:51  
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Teeth, that is good decision. The management fee sounds like crap to me, though not vested.
 

 
teeth53
    21-May-2007 21:42  
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Sold my, (not vested anymore) since CS  don spring anything out except all the bad news, like no news is good news, really after a life time trading, never see such a company doing such things. 

I can understand if it is the owner who own the pte limited company,doing it to pocket it into his own pocket, it is his comoany.

This is a trust managed by trust managers. It reminded me of NKF boss using ppl's $$$ to put it into his ocket.
 
 
teeth53
    21-May-2007 21:31  
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Actually was wondering who is the big red indian chief who approve all so call 40mil to be pay for providing such a lousy job w/o a proper job appleas.... and also w/o a clause to say if such performce live up, then get oni ur pay cheque oni (It come in 5 figue oso) and NO PERFORMANCE BONUS, smelling many type of  LOHSEE itself inside.

This is what Govment is try to tell us, do a good job and can get a good bonus, in this case Trust mgr do a losuy job, so got fat fat  GUARANTEE somemore to a tune of more then S$60Mil.
 
 
jessie
    21-May-2007 21:17  
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Hi teeth53, are you still  vested in this counter ?

 
 
 
teeth53
    21-May-2007 21:14  
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What is so special been a trust manger, it is the same as any other manager and if such manager cannot manage such a trust  (six mths), sort of got to be ask to leace, so other better manager can take over, is the same the sales mge, Sales Dir and even MD,.

No confidenr don ask for 40 mil, (don open the mouth so big).Say U got confident 100 mil oso no problem, if not one cent oso cannot and should paid...Smiley pure nonsense

Those who is response to take care of trust manager is even more answerable to share holder, in this case,  it is themself...U SEE my point...is like company boss/ owner paying himseld a fat fat, plus a fat bonus...U SEE MY POINT...Smiley Worst isit ??.
 
 
lg_6273
    21-May-2007 20:17  
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Published May 21, 2007

$60m lesson, courtesy of CitySpring


 

By CONRAD TAN

 

THERE is a lesson for investors from the recent $56.1 million net loss by CitySpring Infrastructure Trust - look closely at the fee structure of a new issue before you buy.

 


This is especially relevant now that there are more such vehicles listing here in the form of trusts or structured funds. Investors should look for those with fee structures that reward true effort and skill by the managers.

Future managers of such funds should also take note of the unhappiness of shareholders over the huge fees pocketed by CitySpring's management. There is no sound reason for rewarding managers with shareholders' money for the price increase on debut of a new listing.

CitySpring's net loss was due almost entirely to the unexpectedly large management fee of $63.4 million, of which $62.5 million was due to performance fees triggered by a sharp increase in its share price in the seven weeks from its Feb 12 listing.

The initial public offer may have been substantially underpriced - if so, the price surge on listing was due to investors paying what they saw as the fair value of the shares. But over such a short period, it is hard to see how the managers could have played a significant part in creating additional value for their shareholders.

CitySpring is not the only fund to have paid out so much to its managers for what some investors see as so little effort. Managers of the Macquarie International Infrastructure Fund (MIIF) earned $28.1 million in performance fees just five weeks after its listing on May 27, 2005. This was due almost entirely to a 16 per cent increase in its share price, from the listing date to June 30, 2005.

Solution

There are simple solutions to this problem. One is to exclude the share price performance on the first day of listing and base the performance fee calculation on the total return of the shares from the closing price on the first day, rather than the initial offer price.

Even better, waive the performance fee for the first two reporting periods. This would mean any increase in the share price immediately after the fund's listing - no matter how impressive - would not trigger a performance fee.

The earliest reward, if any, would be for share price appreciation that occurs over the quarter, half-year, or full-year - depending on how frequently the fee is assessed - that starts more than three months after the fund's listing.

This is in stark contrast to what happened with CitySpring and MIIF, and is arguably more palatable to shareholders. It is a lot more plausible that any outperformance of a benchmark by the share price three months or more after listing is due to sound investment decisions made by the management, rather than a sudden surge in demand for the fund's units.

A third alternative is to cap the fee at some reasonable level. The MacarthurCook Property Securities Fund, which was listed on Dec 22 last year, limits the performance fee, which is assessed yearly, to A$2 million (S$2.5 million) or 0.5 per cent of the fund value at the end of the financial year, whichever is lower. A similar cap would have prevented the performance fees ballooning out of all proportion to revenues in CitySpring's case.

Dilution

CitySpring's managers chose to pay themselves most of the management fee in shares, rather than cash. There are investors who think that a slight dilution of their stake is of little consequence, and that a bottomline net loss is unimportant, as long as the fund maintains its targeted cash distributions per unit.

This is a mistake.

It is true that in a business trust, as with similar investment vehicles, what matters most to shareholders is the amount of cash generated by its investments available for distribution, and CitySpring has said that it is on target to meet its per-unit distribution projections for the current financial year to next March-end.

But the 40 million new units issued to pay the bulk of the management fee have enlarged CitySpring's total share base, to 490 million units from 450 million, without any actual injection of new capital. Any cash that is distributed in future will have to be spread more thinly.

Put differently, the claims that all other shareholders have on the capital and future income of CitySpring have diminished by 8.2 per cent, as a result of the large management fee. The new units held by the managers rank equal with all other units and are entitled to their share of any future cash distributions - cash that could otherwise have been paid to other unitholders.

Potential investors in future funds that list here should look very closely at the fee structure of the fund, lest they be caught out again.