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iPunter
    09-Nov-2009 03:30  
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I thought the maxim is "sell on the good news"?... Smiley
 
 
Zelphon
    09-Nov-2009 00:11  
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RESULTS OUT !!!! 


 Pls go SGX website to look at latest results...

"Abterra reports profitability with net income of S$3.3 million in 9M09"

The biz is still profitable and NAV is SGD 0.041...

Now is a gd time to load.... 

 



 
 
iPunter
    05-Nov-2009 12:14  
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You are right...

life is like that...

The story of the stock market is the story of life... Smiley


 

 
knightrider
    05-Nov-2009 12:07  
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Life is like that, in other counters you win a and others lost. But as long as I still holding and buying in to average, not till the end, there is still not a lost race. Have confident int his counter. I will park my $$ rather than miserable bank interest. Good Luck.
 
 
iPunter
    05-Nov-2009 11:56  
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It is not a matter of confidence...

But you must admit that 'being confident' had killed many people... eg. suicides...

For your case,  you  may not want to admit it, but you have really lost!,

since you bought @.06 !... Smiley



And the loss may be even bigger if you fight the market by buying more...  
 
 
knightrider
    05-Nov-2009 11:24  
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When it is a good stock, must have confident in it. I took up this stock at S$0.065 ! Now still holding it. I just buy more at S$0.04 to average out ! Keep going. have a bit confident in this. Good Luck.

iPunter      ( Date: 02-Nov-2009 16:18) Posted:



I got in @.04 last week...

Now I am worrying about it going to .035...

That would be a big loss...


Well, a bet is a bet...

One must be prepared for losses when betting... hehehe...  Smiley



 

 
erictkw
    04-Nov-2009 17:24  
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Seems like Abterra is very similar to Genting in that both have very good potentials, both are waiting for their infrastructures to be completed & both are currently losing money. The only difference is that many people knows about gambling but not mining. My 2 cents worth. Smiley
 
 
dealer0168
    04-Nov-2009 16:48  
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Mining for the years ahead

Moving up the mining value chain is what commodities trader and mining stock Abterra is now working towards for sustainable future growth, now that the dust is slowly settling on the economic crisis over the past year, says its executive director Mahesh Mehta.

This company aims to grow through securing upstream mining assets in key regional markets and becoming a fully integrated player in the natural resources business. Its immediate plans are to expand its international trading capabilities by leveraging on its existing strengths in the Chinese market while sussing out quality upstream opportunities in the region.

Abterra’s current main business is primarily importing iron ore into China from Australia, India and Indonesia for sales to steel mills as well as importing coking coal and exporting metallurgical coke, which makes up about 100% of its revenues thus far.

The group is on the cusp of its next phase of growth and looking forward to a different revenue mix once its new investments & acquisitions start to make contributions come 2010 and beyond.

From its beginnings not that far back in 2002 when it was first listed on the mainboard of the Singapore Exchange as Hua Kok International, Abterra found its way into its current business in Oct 2005 when Hong Kong-based Prosperity Steel acquired 70% stake in the company. After a buyout in 2006, Abterra is now 40% owned by General Nice Resources (Hong Kong) – a major player in the imports and exports of coke processed from coking coal and used in steel-production.

Banking on infrastructural demand

This relatively young company is hoping to ride the wave of growing demand for steel in key markets especially China, which are expected to strengthen together with potential recovery in the global economy in the future.

"Abterra has only been in the market for about three to four years, and to have developed into one of the major players in this sector has not been easy. We are fortunate to have been helped by the group, such that now we are able to move out into new markets", said Mr Mehta, who counts India and Indonesia as two other very large target markets for Abterra, in addition to tapping on China as its primary engine of growth, especially as economies in the world pick up this year onwards.

The move towards securing mining operations was a natural one according to the company.

"It was a jumpstart or piggyback onto a bigger growth to get our product base settled. Once we had a good grasp of trading, we decided to embark into other areas such as investing into more mines to enlarge our supply base for minerals", said Mr Mehta.

"We have already established concrete network infrastructures with many steel mills across China, which gives us a competitive edge and we are also working to establish such networks in India and Indonesia", he said.

Beyond securing upstream assets to strengthen its trading business, Abterra aims to emerge as a strong vertically integrated supply chain manager of minerals and resources in the region.

A vertically integrated business model would lower profit margin volatility while urbanization in densely populated countries like China, India and Indonesia has propelled an infrastructure boom would boost the demand for steel, which in turn would increase the demand for the raw materials for steel-coking coal & iron ore, said Mr Mehta.

Limited supply of raw materials coupled by growing demand is also expected to push prices further upwards, he added.

Come 2010 and 2011, Abterra expects to see the fruits of its investment forays as echoed by Lau Yu, Abterra's CEO who has said in presentations to investors: "Building on our successes so far, we have set ambitious targets and have the resources to deliver. We want to continue to make strategic acquisitions of coking coal mines to increase our product capacity to 5 million metric tonnes per annum in the next 2 to 3 years".

The prices of commodities is another reason why things are looking up. According to Mr Mehta, coking coal prices have run up from US$130/ton to about US$180-190/ton. The outlook for demand and prices is good based on the view that infrastructure projects will maintain strong growth as economies recover in the surrounding markets.

China’s steel industry fortunes on which Abterra's current and future growth are pegged, are on an uptrend, with coking coal and iron ore are the chief raw material inputs used in making steel.

Its strategic investments and recent acquisitions in mines, are definitely putting things in the right place for the group.

New acquisitions

Earlier this May, Abterra paid about S$36.8 million for a 49% stake in Shanxi Taixing Jiaozhong Coal Industry Co in Shanxi, China, which produces semi-hard coking coal for steel production. With an annual capacity of 150,000 metric tonnes already, this is set to increase production by six-fold to some 900,000 metric tones by end next year, upping expected coal reserves to some 10.23 million metric tonnes and provide a much needed boost to group revenues when in full gear. This mine as well as the Zuoquan Yongxing Coal Company in which Abter¬ra acquired a 15% stake in 2007 are expected to be the shot in the arm for the group.

The surge in production will enable Abterra to tap on the current uptrend in Chinese steel-making industry infrastructure & industry projects, which have been partly funded by the Chinese government's massive 4.5 trillion yuan economic stimulus package.

It is also expecting completion of a deal to take a 22.8% stake in Zuoquan Xinrui, which will give it access to iron ore production of about 400,000 metric tonnes, will give it a reserve of 37.9 million metric tonnes down the road.

The company also does not rule out raising more funds in the future for working capital or further strategic acquisitions, but will focus on getting its house in order first. The company last in 2006/7 raised capital through convertible notes and rights issues of about S$186 million, which were mostly ploughed into investments in the mines.

For the half year ended June 2009, Abterra’s revenues fell 37% to S$110 million from S$175 million, and net profit a whopping 81% from S$1.73 million from S$9 million year-on-year. Last financial period for the company from July-Dec 2008 according to its annual report, saw revenues at $215.3 million and net losses of $15.6 million.

For Q12009, Abterra's revenues grew to S$65.8 million from S$44.3 million which was attributed to the trading of coke and coal, which increased three-fold from S$22.1 million to S$64.9 million year-on-year. While the demand for iron ore and other non-ferrous metals has dropped significantly from the onset of the financial crisis, the demand for coke and coal still persist.

 
 
iPunter
    02-Nov-2009 16:18  
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I got in @.04 last week...

Now I am worrying about it going to .035...

That would be a big loss...


Well, a bet is a bet...

One must be prepared for losses when betting... hehehe...  Smiley


 
 
risktaker
    28-Oct-2009 08:40  
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Then it will depend on ones foresight to select the better penny stock.

If you can buy and hold starcrus$US 0.22-0.23 = fair buy :)

I expect this stock to be around $0.50 next year



iPunter      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 21:52) Posted:



There are quite a few pennies trading at floor level... 

Picking one of these and holding out will most probably reap big gains in time to come... Smiley

 

 
iPunter
    27-Oct-2009 21:52  
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There are quite a few pennies trading at floor level... 

Picking one of these and holding out will most probably reap big gains in time to come... Smiley
 
 
lawcheemeng
    27-Oct-2009 21:50  
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warren buy undervalue stock.....wait for value to realise.....doesn't care market up or down.........his famous words......be afraid when people are greedy........be greedy when ppl is afraid..........so who are we???     95% of the ppl???    or 5% of the  hheehehe......so nevermind lah.........if loose...lesson learn loh....if win...prove to be rite loh.......to each his best......no agrument..hehehe no agrument.....friendly discussion hor.....SO is This a really under valuestock?    well take the risk and time frame....yes.....if that is discounted.....NO if not....hehehe...talk aredi like no talk...hehehehe..
 
 
smartrader
    27-Oct-2009 21:24  
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warren buys what normal retail investors cannot afford in terms of volume and price..
 
 
risktaker
    27-Oct-2009 21:02  
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warren will not throw his money in this share at all :) I know someone buy Noble Grp @  $0.80 x 5000 lots


iPunter      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 11:48) Posted:

Warren is a trader...

If he was just a holder all the time, he would have been "pok!" by now... hehehe...  Smiley

 

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lawcheemeng      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 11:28) Posted:

stragety diff.......mah.........to each his best loh.......investor or trader!!!!! warren buffet .....buy and rarely sell leh.......


 
 
lawcheemeng
    27-Oct-2009 11:28  
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stragety diff.......mah.........to each his best loh.......investor or trader!!!!! warren buffet .....buy and rarely sell leh.......
 

 
keepnosecrets
    27-Oct-2009 10:56  
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You shouldn't park your money where you don't feel comfortable.  You should park where others feel less comfortable.  After all it is your money you are parking.Smiley 40

risktaker      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 10:41) Posted:

why would i park my money for 12 months betting on quite a risky business ?

If I were to throw 2 million SGD into Abterra i would rather pump Genting SP up. There are far more better shares out there than abterra. However current market sentiments are pretty risky entering now

keepnosecrets      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 10:36) Posted:



As usual my advice for this stock is it woul not move up yet.  It would take at least a 12 to 18 months for it to build a firm base price and for short interests to be covered.


 
 
Flyordie
    27-Oct-2009 10:51  
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this salty fish made me heart broken...from 65 to 60 to 55 to 50 to 45 and now...40... vomit blood

Smiley 
 
 
risktaker
    27-Oct-2009 10:41  
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why would i park my money for 12 months betting on quite a risky business ?

If I were to throw 2 million SGD into Abterra i would rather pump Genting SP up. There are far more better shares out there than abterra. However current market sentiments are pretty risky entering now

keepnosecrets      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 10:36) Posted:



As usual my advice for this stock is it woul not move up yet.  It would take at least a 12 to 18 months for it to build a firm base price and for short interests to be covered.

 
 
keepnosecrets
    27-Oct-2009 10:36  
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As usual my advice for this stock is it woul not move up yet.  It would take at least a 12 to 18 months for it to build a firm base price and for short interests to be covered.
 
 
risktaker
    27-Oct-2009 10:21  
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30% Black

70% Red

The Competition level is too high in China. Also have you consider this if the mines are profitable in the first place they should acquire more mines themselves instead of selling it to abterra...

Anyway there's more than meet the eyes.



Zelphon      ( Date: 27-Oct-2009 10:18) Posted:



When is Q3 results???

Me holding @ $0.055...

Sianzzz...

Whether I cut or hold depends on Q3 results.. 

 

 
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