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elfinchilde
    10-Jan-2008 22:07  
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just saw this thread. don't know its fundamentals, but technically, it's a sell:

MACD shows long term downtrend, sharper dip ahead, the more sensitive chaikin shows that it has been slowly distributed since 6th dec; distribution momentum increased from 2nd jan. no end in sight yet.

may however have a short-term tech rebound soon; williams at -100. likely worth ~4-6c from whatever px it rebounds from.

may be better to cut on tech rebound.  lower high, lower low breached already. support at 26c.

fyi caveat emptor. not vested.
 
 
louis_leecs
    10-Jan-2008 21:58  
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ah moh remieser tell me heavy short position in all area in clude tis baby,,,,,,,pls dun carry the baby for them........big boy always win one,,,,,,,,wait for two more day selling,,,,,,im sideline for akang datang day,,,,
 
 
jackjames
    10-Jan-2008 21:54  
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hmm.. this reminds me of Hengxin, Luzhou....
 

 
winfully
    10-Jan-2008 21:37  
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Published January 9, 2008 (The Business Time)

Jiutian shares dive on fear of weak Q4 earnings

But analysts remain upbeat on its fundamentals

UOB-Kay Hian is maintaining its 'buy' call on Jiutian with a target price of 60.6 cents. DBS Vickers also has a 'buy' call with 76 cents target while CIMB-GK has an 'outperform' rating on the stock with 77 cents target.

So...can buy at S$0.31 and expect to double your gain.....

 

By LYNETTE KHOO

 

SHARES of Jiutian Chemical came under selling pressure yesterday amid market talk of weak fourth- quarter earnings. But analysts stay upbeat on the stock.

 


The China-based manufacturer of fine chemicals saw its stock slip below 40 cents for the first time since August.

The stock dived six cents or 14.3 per cent to 36 cents at one point before closing trading at 37 cents, a drop of five cents or 11.9 per cent.

Trading was heavy, with 52.16 million shares changing hands.

Its substantial shareholder Legg Mason Inc, which at end-October raised its deemed stake to 8.09 per cent from 7.83 per cent, pared its holding last Friday to 7.23 per cent.

The management declined to comment on the earnings speculation when contacted by BT, but analysts said rumours making the rounds included a weak fourth quarter ended Dec 31, 2007, due to continued pricing pressures on one of its key products - dimethylformamide (DMF).

A Dow Jones MarketTalk report yesterday had it that there were concerns on whether there will be continued strong demand for DMF because of a weaker export market in China that might affect its competitors, leading to an oversupply in China.

Jiutian's margins were squeezed by pricing weakness in its DMF products in 2007's third quarter, with average selling price down 10 per cent from a year ago and 5 per cent from a quarter before to 5,880 yuan (S$1,158).

Its Q3 2007 revenue shed 11.6 per cent from a year ago to 55.97 million yuan and net profit slid 25.7 per cent to 14.33 million yuan.

The company's new 120,000-tonne facility at Anyang City in China that produces DMF and methylamine came on stream in the third quarter last year.

'I think it is a matter of the market taking time to digest the onslaught of capacity and only after this will we see firmer selling prices for Jiutian products,' said a local analyst with a brokerage headquartered in Hong Kong.

'But we believe demand still outstrips supply in China,' he added. 'I would believe by the first quarter or into the second quarter, this new capacity would have been absorbed by the market.'

UOB-Kay Hian analyst Allen Jiao told BT that there was also market talk on a new and larger Chinese DMF manufacturer to be listed in Singapore.

'The management has already denied the credibility of these rumours,' Mr Jiao said. But the company did not provide further details on its financial results for the full year ended Dec 31, as it is scheduled to be announced next month.

Mr Jiao said he expects the fourth quarter to be firmer than the third quarter, led by a likely recovery in selling prices in the fourth quarter.

He noted that third- quarter weakness was caused by a cutback in production by China's sole producer of methylene diphenyl diisocyanate (MDI), Yantai Wanhua. MDI is used together with DMF to produce polyurethane (PU).

As a result, the supply of MDI fell short of that for DMF, which caused an oversupply of DMF. But the production of MDI had since recovered in the fourth quarter.

'We don't see sharp changes in the company's fundamentals and its plans for capacity expansion are (on track),' Mr Jiao said. 'With the commencement of its new DMF projects in Q407 and additional methanol production in Q308, I think the company will grow steadily. But we will keep an eye on its fourth- quarter results.'



 

 

 
 
tchoonw
    10-Jan-2008 21:13  
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winfully, whatever wrote last yr is to be written off liao...you should look forward and accept the fact that jiutian is a gone case company, otherwise why would legg mason trims it's stake?
 
 
winfully
    10-Jan-2008 21:09  
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just saw this article posted by jennlsk last year.... i think should hold it untill 1Q result.

Facing short term margin pressures but growth story still intact

Story: Jiutian was on a week-long roadshow with us from Oct 29 ? Nov 02,
meeting about 13 fund managers in London and Edinburgh. Separately,
Jiutian?s 3Q07 results were weaker than expected due mainly to soft DMF
prices and a maintenance shut down in the quarter.

Point: Apart from the Group?s growth strategy, investors raised concerns
over price movements of DMF and methanol as well as the impact of rising
methanol cost to margins in the following four quarters. The Group
reinforced that it should be able to sustain current margins when its new
methanol plant is ready by 4Q08. We have revised FY09 EPS estimates up by
9.2% on firmer product ASP and margins. However, margin compression in the
near term appears inevitable as Jiutian needs to get external sources of
methanol. We have thus revised our methanol cost assumption up and cut FY07
and FY08 EPS estimates by 17.5% and 7.2% respectively.

Relevance: The new 120,000 tpa DMF plant entered commercial production in
Oct  and should be fully ramped up by end 2007. Thus, we expect 4Q07
revenue and net profit to jump to RMB218m and RMB49m respectively. We
remain upbeat on Jiutian in the longer term and look forward to potential
earnings accretive acquisitions. In our view, potential price weakness
after 3Q07 earnings would present good opportunities to accumulate this
growth stock. We have raised our TP to S$0.76 after rolling over our
valuation to 15x blended FY08/09 PE. Maintain Buy
 

 
tchoonw
    10-Jan-2008 21:04  
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Jiutian is just a sub 20c share so it's still high now...If you have, sell it now. If you don't have, short it together with me and you'll make a fat angpow for CNY!!!
 
 
winfully
    10-Jan-2008 20:29  
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Anyone know why jiutian keep going down? Should hold or sell
 
 
tchoonw
    10-Jan-2008 14:50  
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not only leg mason selling, i am also selling plus shorting...this stupid jiutian is only worth 20c at most! just these weeks, already made a tidy sum shorting this bugger! join me to short it till dead now...
 
 
zhuge_liang
    10-Jan-2008 12:18  
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Legg Mason still selling.
 

 
amilytan
    10-Jan-2008 12:00  
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Thanks...with this news, i am decide to hold this counters, we just wait for the news on the 2007 Financial Report out next month.
 
 
Henry$$$
    09-Jan-2008 22:59  
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tchoonw
    09-Jan-2008 06:14  
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Dow down 239. So today is the best time to short Jiutian. Let's convert it into another Sunvic...
 
 
zhuge_liang
    09-Jan-2008 00:17  
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BB selling. Legg Mason sold about 12m shares on 4/1, reducing its stake to 7.23%.
 
 
kevinski
    08-Jan-2008 23:18  
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Totally rubbish.

How can compare Jiutian with Sunvic?

A shs worth $3plus(1 to 5) with Sunvic????

Jiutian, a company with good prospect, producing CB that not many company have 

With Dows up, I see rebound.
 

 
tchoonw
    08-Jan-2008 20:55  
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Short Jiutian cos it will be like another Sunvic dropping to 23c by CNY!
 
 
amilytan
    08-Jan-2008 16:44  
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It mean that we still can hold this counter?
 
 
Arbitrager
    08-Jan-2008 15:21  
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0441 GMT [Dow Jones] Jiutian Chemical (C8R.SG) down 9.5% at S$0.38 on heavy volume, falling below S$0.40 level for first time since August. Market observer attributes share price weakness to ongoing concerns over demand for one of company''s key products, DMF; "there are concerns on whether there will be continued strong demand for DMF because of a weaker export market in China. But that might not directly impact Jiutian because it doesn''t export, though it might affect its competitors, leading to an oversupply in China and causing prices to weaken." Company started commercial production of DMF in October using its new plant, which is 4X bigger than previous facilities. Immediate support tipped at Aug. 17 low of S$0.35. (FKH)
 
 
jackjames
    08-Jan-2008 13:57  
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yeah, what's wrong??? 0.375 ?!! that's a damn good discounted price ... hmm... very fishy...
 
 
amilytan
    08-Jan-2008 11:40  
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Any bad news? or BB try to sell it down and get it from the lower price?
 
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