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iPunter
    13-Jun-2011 11:29  
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If I am also loaded, I will still not do any averaging...

      Simply because no one knows the trend...

            Thus, it's better to trade technically, though that alone is

                      not a sure-fire method but just another method... Smiley

 
 
 
capland
    13-Jun-2011 11:28  
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proof proof ...evidence...no evidence then say soo much for what????? no standard ....lol......u shorted ah???? very long time ago ah ?      hahahah a liar who still say he commited not at 3.00 level, but at 2.86 level then he said shorted at 3.08.....what a joke...ah wah ah wah...  the roti prata man, at my coffeeshop- turning all the times...." save face" ...thats is why i always remind others not to believe anyone here , include me...

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:21) Posted:



Loaded investor do not average down every 10ct drop....  Contra players will do so most likely....

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:09) Posted:



Sir, I also compliment you for your style of playing... :)


  Your style of playing is more suitable for those who are loaded.

          But not everyone who play shares is loaded, you see...

                  Many are just keen to preserve their capital from losses. Smiley


 
 
Isolator
    13-Jun-2011 11:21  
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Loaded investor do not average down every 10ct drop....  Contra players will do so most likely....

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:09) Posted:



Sir, I also compliment you for your style of playing... :)


  Your style of playing is more suitable for those who are loaded.

          But not everyone who play shares is loaded, you see...

                  Many are just keen to preserve their capital from losses. Smiley


capland      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:05) Posted:

hahhaha abam arak compliment each other...hahahah...very touching sop....


 

 
des_khor
    13-Jun-2011 11:11  
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Good news !

niuyear      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:09) Posted:

Hong Kong Home Sales Tumble on New Down Payment Rules

Hong Kong Home Sales Tumble After HKMA Raises Down Payments

Property transactions fell for a fifth straight month in May. Still, home prices gained 1.3 percent in the week ended June 5 from the previous seven days, according to Centaline. Photographer: Jerome Favre/Bloomberg

June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Adrian Ngan, a property analyst at MF Global Hong Kong Ltd., talks about the outlook for Hong Kong property prices. Hong Kong’s government sold a site in one of the city’s most exclusive areas below surveyors’ estimates, suggesting higher mortgage rates may be denting demand. Ngan speaks with Susan Li on Bloomberg Television's " First Up." (Source: Bloomberg)



Sales at 10 of Hong Kong’s biggest private residential developments fell 58 percent at the weekend from a week earlier after the government raised minimum down payments and deposits for foreign buyers.

Seventeen transactions took place, according to Centaline Property Agency Ltd., the city’s biggest privately held realtor, after the Hong Kong Monetary Authority on June 10 said buyers of homes costing more than HK$6 million ($770,000) will have to increase up-front payments. Foreign buyers must deposit an additional 10 percent.

The measures to curb property prices that have surged about 70 percent since the beginning of 2009 may further dent buyer sentiment that is already showing signs of weakening following a recent drop in home deals and as banks accelerated mortgage interest rate increases this year. It was the government’s fourth attempt since October 2009 to curb inflating residential values, rated by Savills Plc as the world’s most expensive.

The measures “show the government’s determination to hold prices at their current level,” said Lee Wee Liat, a property analyst at Samsung Securities Ltd. in Hong Kong. “It may signal they will take more significant steps and that’s to limit the number of units foreigners or mainlanders can buy in the city.”

The seven-member Hang Seng Property Index dropped 1.2 percent as of 10:15 a.m. in Hong Kong trading to the lowest since Sept. 1, 2010, compared with the 0.8 percent decline in the benchmark Hang Seng Index. (HSI)

Property transactions fell for a fifth straight month in May. Still, home prices gained 1.3 percent in the week ended June 5 from the previous seven days, according to Centaline.

‘Picking Up’



The curbs “came at the right time as there are signs suggesting prices may take off, as sales activities of new homes in recent weeks have been picking up again,” Lee said.

Properties costing HK$10 million or more will require a 50 percent down payment, HKMA Chief Executive Norman Chan said on June 10.

“These new rules will have an immediate impact,” said Jeffrey Ng, a senior executive director at Hong Kong Property Services Agency Ltd., a unit of Midland Holdings Ltd., Hong Kong’s biggest publicly traded realtor. “It will slow down the pace of those who’re looking to buy properties.”

Borrowers whose income is primarily from outside Hong Kong will need to make a higher down payment unless they can demonstrate a “close connection” to the city such as evidence that they work for a local employer or that an immediate family member resides in Hong Kong, the HKMA said in a statement.

‘Need Time’



“This will definitely affect our clients from both overseas and mainland China,” said Louis Chan, managing director for residential properties at Centaline. Chan predicted home transactions will slow by about 10 percent to 20 percent over the next few weeks “as potential buyers need time to adjust to the new rules,” he said.

Buyers from overseas and other Chinese cities accounted for about a third of luxury home transactions in the first quarter of this year, according to Centaline.

Prices may drop 10 percent to 20 percent in 2012 and a further 10 percent in 2013 on rising rates, Andrew Lawrence, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Barclays Capital, said last week.

That may be good news for Joseph Hau, a 38-year-oldinvestment adviser who is looking to move to a bigger apartment with his six-month pregnant wife. Hau lives in a 500-square foot apartment in the Wan Chai district.

‘Wait a Little’



“We’ll probably wait a little and see whether prices will come down,” said Hau on June 11 outside a strip of property agencies in Tai Koo Shing, a middle class residential development in the Island East district on Hong Kong Island.“We’ve been negotiating with the owner for a couple weeks and he’s been quite hard. Maybe after these new rules he’ll change his mind.”

Before the latest measures, the HKMA on Nov. 19 increased stamp duties on homes sold within six months of purchase and mandated higher down payments on those costing HK$8 million or more.

The city also has pledged to boost land supply amid public protests that housing prices are becoming unaffordable. In the latest land auction by the government on June 9, Cheung Kong(Holdings) Ltd., controlled by billionaire Li Ka-shing, agreed to pay HK$11.65 billion for a site on Borrett Road, about a 10-minute drive from the Central business district. The price was equivalent to HK$26,763 per square foot, said Centaline.

“Although the property market cooled down a bit in March and April this year, there are now signs of renewed exuberance following high transaction prices recorded in recent government land sale auctions,” HKMA’s Chan said. “The property market has been volatile” since November.

 
 
iPunter
    13-Jun-2011 11:09  
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Sir, I also compliment you for your style of playing... :)


  Your style of playing is more suitable for those who are loaded.

          But not everyone who play shares is loaded, you see...

                  Many are just keen to preserve their capital from losses. Smiley


capland      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:05) Posted:

hahhaha abam arak compliment each other...hahahah...very touching sop.....

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:02) Posted:



Hahaha... you are so nice.  :)

    Hope everyone benefits from the stock market...  Smiley




 
 
niuyear
    13-Jun-2011 11:09  
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Hong Kong Home Sales Tumble on New Down Payment Rules

Hong Kong Home Sales Tumble After HKMA Raises Down Payments

Property transactions fell for a fifth straight month in May. Still, home prices gained 1.3 percent in the week ended June 5 from the previous seven days, according to Centaline. Photographer: Jerome Favre/Bloomberg

June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Adrian Ngan, a property analyst at MF Global Hong Kong Ltd., talks about the outlook for Hong Kong property prices. Hong Kong’s government sold a site in one of the city’s most exclusive areas below surveyors’ estimates, suggesting higher mortgage rates may be denting demand. Ngan speaks with Susan Li on Bloomberg Television's " First Up." (Source: Bloomberg)



Sales at 10 of Hong Kong’s biggest private residential developments fell 58 percent at the weekend from a week earlier after the government raised minimum down payments and deposits for foreign buyers.

Seventeen transactions took place, according to Centaline Property Agency Ltd., the city’s biggest privately held realtor, after the Hong Kong Monetary Authority on June 10 said buyers of homes costing more than HK$6 million ($770,000) will have to increase up-front payments. Foreign buyers must deposit an additional 10 percent.

The measures to curb property prices that have surged about 70 percent since the beginning of 2009 may further dent buyer sentiment that is already showing signs of weakening following a recent drop in home deals and as banks accelerated mortgage interest rate increases this year. It was the government’s fourth attempt since October 2009 to curb inflating residential values, rated by Savills Plc as the world’s most expensive.

The measures “show the government’s determination to hold prices at their current level,” said Lee Wee Liat, a property analyst at Samsung Securities Ltd. in Hong Kong. “It may signal they will take more significant steps and that’s to limit the number of units foreigners or mainlanders can buy in the city.”

The seven-member Hang Seng Property Index dropped 1.2 percent as of 10:15 a.m. in Hong Kong trading to the lowest since Sept. 1, 2010, compared with the 0.8 percent decline in the benchmark Hang Seng Index. (HSI)

Property transactions fell for a fifth straight month in May. Still, home prices gained 1.3 percent in the week ended June 5 from the previous seven days, according to Centaline.

‘Picking Up’



The curbs “came at the right time as there are signs suggesting prices may take off, as sales activities of new homes in recent weeks have been picking up again,” Lee said.

Properties costing HK$10 million or more will require a 50 percent down payment, HKMA Chief Executive Norman Chan said on June 10.

“These new rules will have an immediate impact,” said Jeffrey Ng, a senior executive director at Hong Kong Property Services Agency Ltd., a unit of Midland Holdings Ltd., Hong Kong’s biggest publicly traded realtor. “It will slow down the pace of those who’re looking to buy properties.”

Borrowers whose income is primarily from outside Hong Kong will need to make a higher down payment unless they can demonstrate a “close connection” to the city such as evidence that they work for a local employer or that an immediate family member resides in Hong Kong, the HKMA said in a statement.

‘Need Time’



“This will definitely affect our clients from both overseas and mainland China,” said Louis Chan, managing director for residential properties at Centaline. Chan predicted home transactions will slow by about 10 percent to 20 percent over the next few weeks “as potential buyers need time to adjust to the new rules,” he said.

Buyers from overseas and other Chinese cities accounted for about a third of luxury home transactions in the first quarter of this year, according to Centaline.

Prices may drop 10 percent to 20 percent in 2012 and a further 10 percent in 2013 on rising rates, Andrew Lawrence, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Barclays Capital, said last week.

That may be good news for Joseph Hau, a 38-year-oldinvestment adviser who is looking to move to a bigger apartment with his six-month pregnant wife. Hau lives in a 500-square foot apartment in the Wan Chai district.

‘Wait a Little’



“We’ll probably wait a little and see whether prices will come down,” said Hau on June 11 outside a strip of property agencies in Tai Koo Shing, a middle class residential development in the Island East district on Hong Kong Island.“We’ve been negotiating with the owner for a couple weeks and he’s been quite hard. Maybe after these new rules he’ll change his mind.”

Before the latest measures, the HKMA on Nov. 19 increased stamp duties on homes sold within six months of purchase and mandated higher down payments on those costing HK$8 million or more.

The city also has pledged to boost land supply amid public protests that housing prices are becoming unaffordable. In the latest land auction by the government on June 9, Cheung Kong(Holdings) Ltd., controlled by billionaire Li Ka-shing, agreed to pay HK$11.65 billion for a site on Borrett Road, about a 10-minute drive from the Central business district. The price was equivalent to HK$26,763 per square foot, said Centaline.

“Although the property market cooled down a bit in March and April this year, there are now signs of renewed exuberance following high transaction prices recorded in recent government land sale auctions,” HKMA’s Chan said. “The property market has been volatile” since November.
 

 
capland
    13-Jun-2011 11:05  
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hahhaha abam arak compliment each other...hahahah...very touching sop.....

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 11:02) Posted:



Hahaha... you are so nice.  :)

    Hope everyone benefits from the stock market...  Smiley



 
 
iPunter
    13-Jun-2011 11:02  
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Hahaha... you are so nice.  :)

    Hope everyone benefits from the stock market...  Smiley


 
 
Isolator
    13-Jun-2011 11:00  
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Sifu Ipunter, can see things in all angles with deep understanding....

niuyear      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:53) Posted:



Friend, dont worry,

In the eyes of Isolator, you are his master and Sifu,  and you will always be, no matter what.

 

 

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:52) Posted:



I don't follow anyone. All players are equal.

      Isolator and Capland have

              different styles stock styles (Both  are correct).


                  And all have different styles of playing.

                    And sifu Isoloators style make a lot of sense

                          to a lot of traders who trade to enjoy the game... Smiley


 
 
capland
    13-Jun-2011 10:59  
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always want others to commit, but he himself dare not. " cicken out" ... and somemore gor the cheeks to say he had shorted , when asked earlier at 3.00, he deny ....now says he commit...hahaha....this pattern , i seen too many.. proof proof...why u did not say u had shorted when asked? tell us la,,for everyone here in the forum...dishonesty and liar....maybe ipunters is yr " only" followers...if a person is honest and wish to be known- will post he had shorted at 3.00 before any price movement, and not now...u dare to short , now. as u think it will go to 2.50?? now, u wanna commit?

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:52) Posted:



Just remember what you write here..." cpl will not reach 2.50 ..."

 

capland      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:44) Posted:



to me, anyprice at 2.90 or even below is the best...cpl will not reach 2.50 ...or even 2.20....cos the price was hit when leman brother collaspe. If were to 2.50, it is 35 % to its NAV. i think funds will rush in in full force, and temasek will rush in as well. EVen at this price 2.87 , temasek has been loading. For those who has advance application, can check that big lots are queing now.They are " waiting" for that price to enter. Only when US or China is " officially" in recession will the drop to 2.50 level. . lets cross our fingers... anyone is sure recession is approaching?

1) china has already in slow growth- but will not slip into recession cos of their huge trade surplus-trillions of dollars, could be tap to puch up the economy.

2) US is re-model next stimulus measures- as President election is near. Will not allow recession as Obama will bw " out:"

3) EU will " rescure" PIGS. No matter what it takes. or EU will see members leaving and EU will collaspe.

As infoemation i had gathered, these turmoil " has" to be occured to confirm that " consilation" year is coming to the end. See the past yrs crisis. When there is crisis, all govt will take extra measures to stimulate the economy. (2009-2010) but the govt will come to a point when they will withdraw this measures- so will cause some turbulane, balancing will come in place. If the economy feels it will no more rely on the govt measures, and can stand on its own, then majoy bulls will begin as investor and funds feel , econmomy is independent and begins to chase all stocks....do some reseach ,. my friend .. history always repeat...

As i had mention, recession will start not in US , europe or china...next will begins in vietnam ...and will spread to asia....Asia crsis is the next


 

 
PinkPunter
    13-Jun-2011 10:59  
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Both Kepland anc Capland kena short down like hell today, any sifu can advise what's wrong?
 
 
Isolator
    13-Jun-2011 10:57  
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My longer mind still sleeping especially for now. He will wake up when the time come....  lol
 
 
iPunter
    13-Jun-2011 10:56  
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I don't follow anyone. All players are equal.
  Isolator and Capland have different stock styles (Both  are correct).
    And all have different styles of playing.
        And sifu Isolator''s style makes a lot of sense
          to a lot of traders who trade to enjoy the game... Smiley


 
 
capland
    13-Jun-2011 10:54  
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don bother so much about them. They are " abam arak' ...who belongs to shorter mind...as i said-- when times come ... traders will die one by one...while long investor smiling aty themselves. Seen too many during my 30 yrs in the market, and casinos...to me, already " season" . !st taste of winning is always make a person think they can " beat " the market...but they did not know - the market has been built a system , that no one can " beat" them ...and they always the winner... only long investor who willing to keep long enough....to beat them..

niuyear      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:49) Posted:



No insult elements in my message, but,  rather,  the way you interpretated it while reading them  during 'whatever' state of mind you might be engaging in.

 

 

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:41) Posted:

Dont insult Sifu IPunter, he is  the true master... I always learn from him...


 
 
niuyear
    13-Jun-2011 10:53  
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Friend, dont worry,

In the eyes of Isolator, you are his master and Sifu,  and you will always be, no matter what.

 

 

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:52) Posted:



I don't follow anyone. All players are equal.

      Isolator and Capland have

              different styles stock styles (Both  are correct).


                  And all have different styles of playing.

                    And sifu Isoloators style make a lot of sense

                          to a lot of traders who trade to enjoy the game... Smiley


niuyear      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:38) Posted:



Wow,  Isolator has a very truthful follower and supporter who never fails to support each of his post.

LOL


 

 
iPunter
    13-Jun-2011 10:52  
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I don't follow anyone. All players are equal.

      Isolator and Capland have

              different styles stock styles (Both  are correct).


                  And all have different styles of playing.

                    And sifu Isoloators style make a lot of sense

                          to a lot of traders who trade to enjoy the game... Smiley


niuyear      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:38) Posted:



Wow,  Isolator has a very truthful follower and supporter who never fails to support each of his post.

LOL!

iPunter      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:30) Posted:



This post by sifu Isolator is an extremely

      valuable one for all traders and investors alike.

              Unconforming methodology and sensibility

                      are priceless attributes in this game...

                              On behalf of all, thank you, Sir...Smiley


 
 
Isolator
    13-Jun-2011 10:52  
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Just remember what you write here..." cpl will not reach 2.50 ..."

 

capland      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:44) Posted:



to me, anyprice at 2.90 or even below is the best...cpl will not reach 2.50 ...or even 2.20....cos the price was hit when leman brother collaspe. If were to 2.50, it is 35 % to its NAV. i think funds will rush in in full force, and temasek will rush in as well. EVen at this price 2.87 , temasek has been loading. For those who has advance application, can check that big lots are queing now.They are " waiting" for that price to enter. Only when US or China is " officially" in recession will the drop to 2.50 level. . lets cross our fingers... anyone is sure recession is approaching?

1) china has already in slow growth- but will not slip into recession cos of their huge trade surplus-trillions of dollars, could be tap to puch up the economy.

2) US is re-model next stimulus measures- as President election is near. Will not allow recession as Obama will bw " out:"

3) EU will " rescure" PIGS. No matter what it takes. or EU will see members leaving and EU will collaspe.

As infoemation i had gathered, these turmoil " has" to be occured to confirm that " consilation" year is coming to the end. See the past yrs crisis. When there is crisis, all govt will take extra measures to stimulate the economy. (2009-2010) but the govt will come to a point when they will withdraw this measures- so will cause some turbulane, balancing will come in place. If the economy feels it will no more rely on the govt measures, and can stand on its own, then majoy bulls will begin as investor and funds feel , econmomy is independent and begins to chase all stocks....do some reseach ,. my friend .. history always repeat...

As i had mention, recession will start not in US , europe or china...next will begins in vietnam ...and will spread to asia....Asia crsis is the next


rotijai      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:21) Posted:



yea i am nowhere near to the standard of playing trend changing..

just wondering whether trend changing happens cause cpl has been going down to almost nth..

n also wondering why investors never buy when it's cheap now.

may be like wat u said, respect the market and cheap will get cheaper uh


 
 
capland
    13-Jun-2011 10:49  
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no lah, why go after u... nothing earn or lose in going after u...ah wah...i can play and eat , even i had hundreds of lots...unlike u ...did not commit and keeps saying yr ideology......had seen yr " spot" taste yr roti prata stlye ...Lets see when it rebound- and u will 100% come out and say u had :close some position" ...hahaha... Magari pattern...

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:32) Posted:



So from 3.50 to 2.90... you should have 600lots....

You are Warren Buffett the 2nd, I beleive you buy into CPL to restructure it... You my hero.

 
 
niuyear
    13-Jun-2011 10:49  
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No insult elements in my message, but,  rather,  the way you interpretated it while reading them  during 'whatever' state of mind you might be engaging in.

 

 

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:41) Posted:

Dont insult Sifu IPunter, he is  the true master... I always learn from him....

niuyear      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:38) Posted:



Wow,  Isolator has a very truthful follower and supporter who never fails to support each of his post.

LOL


 
 
capland
    13-Jun-2011 10:44  
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to me, anyprice at 2.90 or even below is the best...cpl will not reach 2.50 ...or even 2.20....cos the price was hit when leman brother collaspe. If were to 2.50, it is 35 % to its NAV. i think funds will rush in in full force, and temasek will rush in as well. EVen at this price 2.87 , temasek has been loading. For those who has advance application, can check that big lots are queing now.They are " waiting" for that price to enter. Only when US or China is " officially" in recession will the drop to 2.50 level. . lets cross our fingers... anyone is sure recession is approaching?

1) china has already in slow growth- but will not slip into recession cos of their huge trade surplus-trillions of dollars, could be tap to puch up the economy.

2) US is re-model next stimulus measures- as President election is near. Will not allow recession as Obama will bw " out:"

3) EU will " rescure" PIGS. No matter what it takes. or EU will see members leaving and EU will collaspe.

As infoemation i had gathered, these turmoil " has" to be occured to confirm that " consilation" year is coming to the end. See the past yrs crisis. When there is crisis, all govt will take extra measures to stimulate the economy. (2009-2010) but the govt will come to a point when they will withdraw this measures- so will cause some turbulane, balancing will come in place. If the economy feels it will no more rely on the govt measures, and can stand on its own, then majoy bulls will begin as investor and funds feel , econmomy is independent and begins to chase all stocks....do some reseach ,. my friend .. history always repeat...

As i had mention, recession will start not in US , europe or china...next will begins in vietnam ...and will spread to asia....Asia crsis is the next


rotijai      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:21) Posted:



yea i am nowhere near to the standard of playing trend changing..

just wondering whether trend changing happens cause cpl has been going down to almost nth..

n also wondering why investors never buy when it's cheap now.

may be like wat u said, respect the market and cheap will get cheaper uh?

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 10:16) Posted:



Go back to  the basis of TAs like patterns, MAs,   waves, macd, fibo etc.... You should be able to spot most.... BUT you should learn to use them the UNstandard way.... lol

You must have a strong  capital to play trend changing.... You will enter too early which may go against you, so you need to be able to hold and average....


 
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