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iPunter      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 19:47) Posted: People can easily turn bullish or bearish from day to day.     Yesterday, they can be downright bearish...             But tomrrow, they can instantly turn bullish.                     This is why the market can 'play people like  fiddle'...

 

China's inflation hit 6.4%, analysts' forecast was 6.3% across the panel. Did it exceed from forecast by alot? Now, we  won't know if this  was already priced in by the market  given that China's rate hike took place earlier last mid wk instead of over the weekend (Sun)  had  given away  that inflation data isn't  positive. 

Bad employment data from the  US, yes was so bad  & its  a miracle  that the market didn't tank  last  Friday. Hahah  I actually  thought it was bullish red candle,  how odd. You see, it doesn't matter how the market looks like at the opening, lunch time or other trading intervals.. the most vital part is in the last 15-30mins to closing.  That is all that matters.

   

rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 16:00) Posted: master civic.. i might be overly bearish atm (i am stil holding longs on gsp n kep - dunno whether my cut loss will be triggered.. sigh i guess i always make stupid mistakes when i long, i think shorting might be more suitable for me..- i know master ipunter will disagree with me on this :P) ok here's the reasons why tmr will gap down.. (whether it will make a white candle or not.. it depends on our BBs are bullish about our earnings.. but i find it real weird tat even big giant like kepcorp which keeps winning contracts and it's almost expected tat kep corp will give a very good earnings.. but they  still keep selling kep corp like nobody's business.. and also look at other STI stocks.. all got sold down as if the next recession is coming to hit SG..) bad unemployment rate from US & high inflation in china... dow has disgested the unemployment data.. STI/HSI/SSE/all the asia markets havent.. and with this new high inflation in china - i dunno how HSI/SSE will react to it.. and yes dow did well by climbing up at the last hours..  cause the earnings are coming.. it's supposed to be a ya ya hooray season where most companies are still producing good numbers (i hope).. eastcivic      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 15:39) Posted: so tomorrow all  will gap down? yesterday i thought dow did quite well.

 

People can easily turn bullish or bearish from day to day.

    Yesterday, they can be downright bearish...

            But tomrrow, they can instantly turn bullish.

                    This is why the market can 'play people like  fiddle'...

 

First & foremost, you need to understand the concept of gap down. Pls search candlestick gap down definition on google, investopedia etc.

Opening gap down is only if opening price has a gap/ void  from previous trading  day's intraday low.  Assuming in stxosv opens at  1.38 & above, this is effectively  not called gap down => implies lower opening from Friday.

Muifan i already mentioned there  can be massive throwing @opening but  why are you so keen to join them especially right at the opening seconds (especially if gap down)?  I already highlighted, you must learn to think and act like my sifu Juicy. She would've loved to buy from those people who will gamely enter forced sell bids to  sell  i can tell ya that. Remember the Noble tutorial and Gsp's dismal earnings last Nov? Gsp  opened at  2.09 came up to 2.16 intraday high within first 10 mins and thereafter is downward action for rest of the day post earnings release.

Similarly, roti you said many will gap down tmr. I think that is  misleading, most will open lower but that's not called gap down. ie. only  if Capitaland open's at 2.97 or lower then that's considered gap down opening. Given Fri's long white/ green candle, its hard for it to open with a gap down, yes with a  lower opening.

Roti looks like you're undecided, you mentioned on Sat  of having a bullish bias and today turned bearish. Must be due to  mood swings. *chuckles*

muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:42) Posted: GOod morning Roti, Yeap will cut at the start at GAP DOWN and will take a 3  cent loss THAT IS IF CHAI SHEN YE is happy to let the    GAP DOWN  not LOWER THAN 1.38 hehe However, there is also the theory of filling the gap mentioned by Master Gaecia... which my MR G friend is in lined with...thus he told me , in his opinion, the better time to cut is Wednesday or Thur, of cos he is not god, he can be wrong too.. what do you think roti? rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:33) Posted: master rice.. stx's twice breakouts from 1.35 dont look like a trap until the news of shares placement. now the risk is higher with the news coming out just when it broke its new high again.. cause rmb ppl have been saying tat BBs will push up the price so that stx euro can sell their shares at a higher price? we trust our charts only when it moves according to our prediction.. once it goes out of our predicted range.. like wat master ipunter always says.. just admit the mistake and close it. a trap or not we wont know, master gaecia is looking at SAR's false breakout i suppose.. i believe a lot of ppl are stuck at 3-3.2.. gonna respect master gaecia for able to short at 3.2 :

 

ya who knows? perhaps  we might really see a double dip? perhaps not? lol nobody knows 

rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 16:29) Posted: if u ask me.. almost everyone assumes tat the US will fix the debt ceiling thing.. if they dont, i think we can just short short short everyday, cause the economy double dip is almost guarantted cause the US is gonna for default, who can take it? europe debt probs  have been  there for years.. just whether the stock markets wanna focus on it or not.. eastcivic      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 16:17) Posted: ya you are right about all the bad news that has come out and/or coming out..... besides all these unemployment and inflation rates, we still have to handle the US and europe debt issues......

 

if u ask me.. almost everyone assumes tat the US will fix the debt ceiling thing.. if they dont, i think we can just short short short everyday, cause the economy double dip is almost guarantted cause the US is gonna for default, who can take it?

europe debt probs  have been  there for years.. just whether the stock markets wanna focus on it or not..

eastcivic      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 16:17) Posted: ya you are right about all the bad news that has come out and/or coming out..... besides all these unemployment and inflation rates, we still have to handle the US and europe debt issues....... rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 16:00) Posted: master civic.. i might be overly bearish atm (i am stil holding longs on gsp n kep - dunno whether my cut loss will be triggered.. sigh i guess i always make stupid mistakes when i long, i think shorting might be more suitable for me..- i know master ipunter will disagree with me on this :P) ok here's the reasons why tmr will gap down.. (whether it will make a white candle or not.. it depends on our BBs are bullish about our earnings.. but i find it real weird tat even big giant like kepcorp which keeps winning contracts and it's almost expected tat kep corp will give a very good earnings.. but they  still keep selling kep corp like nobody's business.. and also look at other STI stocks.. all got sold down as if the next recession is coming to hit SG..) bad unemployment rate from US & high inflation in china... dow has disgested the unemployment data.. STI/HSI/SSE/all the asia markets havent.. and with this new high inflation in china - i dunno how HSI/SSE will react to it.. and yes dow did well by climbing up at the last hours..  cause the earnings are coming.. it's supposed to be a ya ya hooray season where most companies are still producing good numbers (i hope).

 

ya you are right about all the bad news that has come out and/or coming out.....

besides all these unemployment and inflation rates, we still have to handle the US and europe debt issues.......

rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 16:00) Posted: master civic.. i might be overly bearish atm (i am stil holding longs on gsp n kep - dunno whether my cut loss will be triggered.. sigh i guess i always make stupid mistakes when i long, i think shorting might be more suitable for me..- i know master ipunter will disagree with me on this :P) ok here's the reasons why tmr will gap down.. (whether it will make a white candle or not.. it depends on our BBs are bullish about our earnings.. but i find it real weird tat even big giant like kepcorp which keeps winning contracts and it's almost expected tat kep corp will give a very good earnings.. but they  still keep selling kep corp like nobody's business.. and also look at other STI stocks.. all got sold down as if the next recession is coming to hit SG..) bad unemployment rate from US & high inflation in china... dow has disgested the unemployment data.. STI/HSI/SSE/all the asia markets havent.. and with this new high inflation in china - i dunno how HSI/SSE will react to it.. and yes dow did well by climbing up at the last hours..  cause the earnings are coming.. it's supposed to be a ya ya hooray season where most companies are still producing good numbers (i hope).. eastcivic      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 15:39) Posted: so tomorrow all  will gap down? yesterday i thought dow did quite well.

 

master civic..

i might be overly bearish atm (i am stil holding longs on gsp n kep - dunno whether my cut loss will be triggered.. sigh i guess i always make stupid mistakes when i long, i think shorting might be more suitable for me..- i know master ipunter will disagree with me on this :P)

ok here's the reasons why tmr will gap down.. (whether it will make a white candle or not.. it depends on our BBs are bullish about our earnings.. but i find it real weird tat even big giant like kepcorp which keeps winning contracts and it's almost expected tat kep corp will give a very good earnings.. but they  still keep selling kep corp like nobody's business.. and also look at other STI stocks.. all got sold down as if the next recession is coming to hit SG..)

bad unemployment rate from US &

high inflation in china...

dow has disgested the unemployment data.. STI/HSI/SSE/all the asia markets havent.. and with this new high inflation in china - i dunno how HSI/SSE will react to it..

and yes dow did well by climbing up at the last hours..  cause the earnings are coming.. it's supposed to be a ya ya hooray season where most companies are still producing good numbers (i hope)..

eastcivic      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 15:39) Posted: so tomorrow all  will gap down? yesterday i thought dow did quite well.

 

so tomorrow all  will gap down?

yesterday i thought dow did quite well.

 

master rice, it's still early to confirm that it's a trap but getting ready for it is good

tmr almost all counters will gap down, not only stx.. so we have no idea how much it will react to the placement shares news.

ur G friend is inclined to shorting stx only? or the market as a whole?

if u ask me, many are gian gian to short stx.. am i right master gaecia? :P i was looking all my accs to see which has scripts for me to short stx when it broke 1.4.. haha

coming back to wat price to cut loss.. i think it depends on wat price u entered? ur friend is right that cutting loss tmr might be cutting at a lower price cause many ppl will be panicking throwing stocks tmr.. but at the same time, who can tell wat will happen after tmr? ur friend is assuming tat the market will digest the bad unemployment report and the stx share placement at 1.33 and slowly they will think tat 1.33 is not the fair value..

so it depends on whether u are willing to bet on tat assumption or not and also the 2nd quarter earnings starting from tuesday (for STI, 2nd quarter earnings should start end next week or early next next week when we see all the kep families giving their 2nd quarter earnings)

muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:42) Posted: GOod morning Roti, Yeap will cut at the start at GAP DOWN and will take a 3  cent loss THAT IS IF CHAI SHEN YE is happy to let the    GAP DOWN  not LOWER THAN 1.38 hehe However, there is also the theory of filling the gap mentioned by Master Gaecia... which my MR G friend is in lined with...thus he told me , in his opinion, the better time to cut is Wednesday or Thur, of cos he is not god, he can be wrong too.. what do you think roti? rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:33) Posted: master rice.. stx's twice breakouts from 1.35 dont look like a trap until the news of shares placement. now the risk is higher with the news coming out just when it broke its new high again.. cause rmb ppl have been saying tat BBs will push up the price so that stx euro can sell their shares at a higher price? we trust our charts only when it moves according to our prediction.. once it goes out of our predicted range.. like wat master ipunter always says.. just admit the mistake and close it. a trap or not we wont know, master gaecia is looking at SAR's false breakout i suppose.. i believe a lot of ppl are stuck at 3-3.2.. gonna respect master gaecia for able to short at 3.2 :

 

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muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 12:01) Posted: Ipunter sifu.. thanks but I am confirm not qualified to be a sifu yet...if not I would have " feared" for the rally and not join in the rally :D... however through this incident... I do understand more...why you always share philosophies.. but   hardly or never share your positions or recommendations...   iPunter      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 10:05) Posted: With sifu Muifan's insightful understanding       as shown in his posts below,           I must also 'tapet' him too.                   Thus in stocks,  all is but betting...

 

Ipunter sifu..

thanks but I am confirm not qualified to be a sifu yet...if not I would have " feared" for the rally

and not join in the rally :D...

however through this incident...

I do understand more...why you always share philosophies..

but   hardly or never share your positions or recommendations...

 

iPunter      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 10:05) Posted: With sifu Muifan's insightful understanding       as shown in his posts below,           I must also 'tapet' him too.                   Thus in stocks,  all is but betting... muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:42) Posted: GOod morning Roti, Yeap will cut at the start at GAP DOWN and will take a 3  cent loss THAT IS IF CHAI SHEN YE is happy to let the    GAP DOWN  not LOWER THAN 1.38 hehe However, there is also the theory of filling the gap mentioned by Master Gaecia... which my MR G friend is in lined with...thus he told me , in his opinion, the better time to cut is Wednesday or Thur, of cos he is not god, he can be wrong too.. what do you think roti

 

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muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:42) Posted: GOod morning Roti, Yeap will cut at the start at GAP DOWN and will take a 3  cent loss THAT IS IF CHAI SHEN YE is happy to let the    GAP DOWN  not LOWER THAN 1.38 hehe However, there is also the theory of filling the gap mentioned by Master Gaecia... which my MR G friend is in lined with...thus he told me , in his opinion, the better time to cut is Wednesday or Thur, of cos he is not god, he can be wrong too.. what do you think roti? rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:33) Posted: master rice.. stx's twice breakouts from 1.35 dont look like a trap until the news of shares placement. now the risk is higher with the news coming out just when it broke its new high again.. cause rmb ppl have been saying tat BBs will push up the price so that stx euro can sell their shares at a higher price? we trust our charts only when it moves according to our prediction.. once it goes out of our predicted range.. like wat master ipunter always says.. just admit the mistake and close it. a trap or not we wont know, master gaecia is looking at SAR's false breakout i suppose.. i believe a lot of ppl are stuck at 3-3.2.. gonna respect master gaecia for able to short at 3.2 :

 

GOod morning Roti,

Yeap will cut at the start at GAP DOWN and will take a 3  cent loss THAT IS IF CHAI SHEN YE

is happy to let the    GAP DOWN  not LOWER THAN 1.38 hehe

However, there is also the theory of filling the gap mentioned by Master Gaecia...

which my MR G friend is in lined with...thus he told me , in his opinion,

the better time to cut is Wednesday or Thur, of cos he is not god, he can be wrong too..

what do you think roti?

rotijai      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 09:33) Posted: master rice.. stx's twice breakouts from 1.35 dont look like a trap until the news of shares placement. now the risk is higher with the news coming out just when it broke its new high again.. cause rmb ppl have been saying tat BBs will push up the price so that stx euro can sell their shares at a higher price? we trust our charts only when it moves according to our prediction.. once it goes out of our predicted range.. like wat master ipunter always says.. just admit the mistake and close it. a trap or not we wont know, master gaecia is looking at SAR's false breakout i suppose.. i believe a lot of ppl are stuck at 3-3.2.. gonna respect master gaecia for able to short at 3.2 :) muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 00:14) Posted: Yoyoyo Master Sifu Gaecia, thank you I am not losing sleep over it. In fact I had a late night movie. Life is short enough, I do not want to make it shorter. However I have many questions running through my head amd hope the sifus here can answer (nothing personal, I am wrong and I want to know why, if not, its like kena murdered and dont know who is the murderer!) Lets us this STXOSV case as example: 1) I have learnt that charts are tools that you cannot afford to do without it in trading. In this case, " Charts  can be  crafted intently to trap  TA  investors" , I cannot see any fault or trap on STXOSV's Fri breakout apart of the reason that Gaecia pointed out, no news breakout , which I must agree and I failed to take it into consideration. However, STXOSV have been breaking out with no news for quite a few times already, this is not the very first time. So when is real , when is trap? WHen to believe our charts, and when not to? Thus I always feel that trading is a NEGATIVE SUM GAME towards retailers like us. There are 30% that we totally cannot control. Charting, principles, discipline, deep pockets etc , even you are perfect in all these, you can only control 70%. Minus insider trading, bbs, natural disasters, political decisions etc, thus landing us in negative probablity of winning. Then why still so many people in the world like us, so passionate towards this ? Because I always believe it is not the result, but the journey I enjoyed .... I met up with a personal friend working in one of the G private bank..he send me 1 sentence regarding this: " Expect the unexpected in this bullish market, it is not so simple , simply go in and short this counter on Monday..."

 

master rice..

stx's twice breakouts from 1.35 dont look like a trap until the news of shares placement.

now the risk is higher with the news coming out just when it broke its new high again..

cause rmb ppl have been saying tat BBs will push up the price so that stx euro can sell their shares at a higher price?

we trust our charts only when it moves according to our prediction.. once it goes out of our predicted range.. like wat master ipunter always says.. just admit the mistake and close it.

a trap or not we wont know, master gaecia is looking at SAR's false breakout i suppose.. i believe a lot of ppl are stuck at 3-3.2..

gonna respect master gaecia for able to short at 3.2 :)

muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 00:14) Posted: Yoyoyo Master Sifu Gaecia, thank you I am not losing sleep over it. In fact I had a late night movie. Life is short enough, I do not want to make it shorter. However I have many questions running through my head amd hope the sifus here can answer (nothing personal, I am wrong and I want to know why, if not, its like kena murdered and dont know who is the murderer!) Lets us this STXOSV case as example: 1) I have learnt that charts are tools that you cannot afford to do without it in trading. In this case, " Charts  can be  crafted intently to trap  TA  investors" , I cannot see any fault or trap on STXOSV's Fri breakout apart of the reason that Gaecia pointed out, no news breakout , which I must agree and I failed to take it into consideration. However, STXOSV have been breaking out with no news for quite a few times already, this is not the very first time. So when is real , when is trap? WHen to believe our charts, and when not to? Thus I always feel that trading is a NEGATIVE SUM GAME towards retailers like us. There are 30% that we totally cannot control. Charting, principles, discipline, deep pockets etc , even you are perfect in all these, you can only control 70%. Minus insider trading, bbs, natural disasters, political decisions etc, thus landing us in negative probablity of winning. Then why still so many people in the world like us, so passionate towards this ? Because I always believe it is not the result, but the journey I enjoyed .... I met up with a personal friend working in one of the G private bank..he send me 1 sentence regarding this: " Expect the unexpected in this bullish market, it is not so simple , simply go in and short this counter on Monday..."   Gaecia      ( Date: 09-Jul-2011 13:53) Posted: This is exactly the same tactic applied  on investors as  in the case of Noble (2.25 intraday hight, fell to 2.18 in late trade  hrs)  and Olam (3.03 intraday high, fell to 2.99 in late trade), if you could recall actual day price actions before an  announcement of a private share placement  deal  after market closed some months back. There is always selling before day's end and  massive volume  which it makes it to top 20  most actively traded  stock  for further  public slaying.  In the absence of any news, yet a technical breakout occurs. Now its Stxosv's turn (no contract news on Fri), generally risks are elevated if going Long within 1 week of analysts'  upgrade in a particular stock.  Yes  I am  skeptical but only insiders can plan ahead of us, next up could be Capitaland's turn to prove itself. There were many false technical breakout this week  (despite the absence of any +ve  company news), Midas, Sembmarine, Sembcorp and now Stxosv. Straits  Asia Resources was also another of  big boy's  successful  false  rally last mth.  Charts  can be  crafted intently to trap  TA  investors, it is hard  even for experienced traders to detect.  Most importantly do not get carried away by the euphoric rally  on breakout day, one should be fearful instead. Sell your long holdings preferable before 4.50pm. Even  if  one cannot  sell at  intraday's high,  it is even costlier  to miss this rally. Why? A breakout rally  rarely  last 2 (consecutive)  days in a row

 

I must say you have superb human understanding...

muifan      ( Date: 10-Jul-2011 00:19) Posted: Ipunter sifu, I must say you truly impressed me once again with your philosophy... This post of yours, totally came across my mind just now in the cinema... just that my England not as deep as yours... my version is : " When times are good, you are god, When times are bad, you are dog..." :D iPunter      ( Date: 09-Jul-2011 11:09) Posted: No one knows the direction for any time-frame..   But when the bulls happen to be right,       they will all come out to make noise.               And when the bears happen to be right,                         they will also all come out to make noise.                                 This has been happening for decades and                                       decades, and will not cease anytime soon...

 

Ipunter sifu,

I must say you truly impressed me once again with your philosophy...

This post of yours, totally came across my mind just now in the cinema...

just that my England not as deep as yours...

my version is :

" When times are good, you are god,

When times are bad, you are dog..."

:D

iPunter      ( Date: 09-Jul-2011 11:09) Posted: No one knows the direction for any time-frame..   But when the bulls happen to be right,       they will all come out to make noise.               And when the bears happen to be right,                         they will also all come out to make noise.                                 This has been happening for decades and                                       decades, and will not cease anytime soon...

 

Yoyoyo Master Sifu Gaecia,

thank you I am not losing sleep over it. In fact I had a late night movie. Life is short enough, I do not want to make it shorter. However I have many questions running through my head amd hope the sifus here can answer (nothing personal, I am wrong and I want to know why, if not, its like kena murdered and dont know who is the murderer!)

Lets us this STXOSV case as example:

1) I have learnt that charts are tools that you cannot afford to do without it in trading. In this case, " Charts  can be  crafted intently to trap  TA  investors" , I cannot see any fault or trap on STXOSV's Fri breakout apart of the reason that Gaecia pointed out, no news breakout , which I must agree and I failed to take it into consideration. However, STXOSV have been breaking out with no news for quite a few times already, this is not the very first time. So when is real , when is trap? WHen to believe our charts, and when not to?

Thus I always feel that trading is a NEGATIVE SUM GAME towards retailers like us. There are 30% that we totally cannot control. Charting, principles, discipline, deep pockets etc , even you are perfect in all these, you can only control 70%. Minus insider trading, bbs, natural disasters, political decisions etc, thus landing us in negative probablity of winning. Then why still so many people in the world like us, so passionate towards this ? Because I always believe it is not the result, but the journey I enjoyed ....

I met up with a personal friend working in one of the G private bank..he send me 1 sentence regarding this: " Expect the unexpected in this bullish market, it is not so simple , simply go in and short this counter on Monday..."

 

Gaecia      ( Date: 09-Jul-2011 13:53) Posted: This is exactly the same tactic applied  on investors as  in the case of Noble (2.25 intraday hight, fell to 2.18 in late trade  hrs)  and Olam (3.03 intraday high, fell to 2.99 in late trade), if you could recall actual day price actions before an  announcement of a private share placement  deal  after market closed some months back. There is always selling before day's end and  massive volume  which it makes it to top 20  most actively traded  stock  for further  public slaying.  In the absence of any news, yet a technical breakout occurs. Now its Stxosv's turn (no contract news on Fri), generally risks are elevated if going Long within 1 week of analysts'  upgrade in a particular stock.  Yes  I am  skeptical but only insiders can plan ahead of us, next up could be Capitaland's turn to prove itself. There were many false technical breakout this week  (despite the absence of any +ve  company news), Midas, Sembmarine, Sembcorp and now Stxosv. Straits  Asia Resources was also another of  big boy's  successful  false  rally last mth.  Charts  can be  crafted intently to trap  TA  investors, it is hard  even for experienced traders to detect.  Most importantly do not get carried away by the euphoric rally  on breakout day, one should be fearful instead. Sell your long holdings preferable before 4.50pm. Even  if  one cannot  sell at  intraday's high,  it is even costlier  to miss this rally. Why? A breakout rally  rarely  last 2 (consecutive)  days in a row. muifan      ( Date: 09-Jul-2011 10:09) Posted: Dow did not have a heart attack fall.. strong fight back by the bulls by closing? Have to cut if neccessary on my STXOSV on mon.. really smelly..after market close announce share placement :(