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EastonBay
    19-Aug-2007 21:45  
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Bunbun, still around in Singapore entertaining friends from overseas. However, I'm planning to go somewhere from 1st week of September... haven't decided where to go.. most likely to be Silk Route..

 

I have been busy meeting up with friends... I've got a close friend visiting from Germany. He arrived on Friday..another from Hongkong.. there goes my Saturday. And today... family gathering..

Went to watch the Spanish theme fireworks on Friday (got tickets)... really nice with the music..

 

Cks..I  took pictures of the fireworks.. but too lazy to put on picassa. haha...  Good trip to Shanghai!!

 
 
 
maxliukt
    19-Aug-2007 17:40  
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http://www.todayonline.com/articles/206280.asp

MM upbeat as Fed cuts rate
Loh Chee Kong
cheekong@mediacorp.com.sg
 
AT ABOUT 8pm on Friday, the sub-prime woes gripping the United States and the after shocks bleeding the world's financial markets received a surprise lifeline when the US Federal Reserve slashed its discount rate by 0.5 percentage points to 5.75 per cent.
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Less than an hour later, halfway around the globe, Singapore Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew had these words of assurance for his Tanjong Pagar residents: Don't worry, the "nervousness" in the financial markets would go away soon.
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"Whatever the troubles, they will go away in weeks, if not months. What we are absolutely sure of (about) East Asia is that it is set to grow. Nothing will change the long-term plans and growth of China and India, and the rest of Asia," he said at his constituency's National Day dinner.
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Adding that the US and European markets were "beginning to settle down", Mr Lee added: "Just in the last few weeks, trillions of dollars had been wiped out in the stock markets of the world. But it will come back."
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Mr Lee said that Singapore's future is secure, at least for the next decade ? not least because of the Republic's domestic harmony.
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"We have positioned ourselves well. When we say the Pledge, it's not empty words. It's real and it's true. You can see around you: Equal opportunities and shared prosperity," said Mr Lee, who added that the first generation leaders' decision on adopting English as the country's lingua franca has paid off immensely.
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But while the "big pieces" are in place, Singapore is not without its problems ? namely a shrinking, ageing population that is unable to support the growing economy.
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As the country turns to imported labour, this leads to another "huge" problem, that of income disparity, which the Government will tackle by supplementing workers' income and raising the value of Singaporeans' assets by rejuvenating Housing Board estates, said Mr Lee (picture).
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"The economic growth is here to stay for the next 10, 15 years or more. Because of globalisation, our less-educated have to compete against the less-educated from China and India. (But) we will solve the problem as long as we have growth."
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And to make sure Singapore's growth continues, it's important "to have MPs and Ministers who think long term and work long term". Which is why the search is on for the Republic's fourth generation of leaders, said Mr Lee.
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"Before the next elections, the Prime Minister and his team must talent-spot and headhunt for candidates in their 30s and early 40s."
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To drive home his point about the drastic changes taking place and their profound effects on the world, Mr Lee turned his attention to an issue half a world away: The melting of the polar ice cap in the Arctic.
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"The Russians are claiming a big chunk of the ice cap. The Canadians also ... they say, as the ice melts, the ships will be passing Canadian waters," he said. "One quarter of the world's oil and gas may be under that ice cap. Countries ... around the Arctic will make their claims."
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And amid the sea of changes, Singapore "cannot stand still", said Mr Lee. Its people must continue to put up with painful but necessary changes.
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He added: "We have to make serious changes and hard decisions. We made the right decision from the beginning."
 
 
elfinchilde
    19-Aug-2007 16:24  
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haha....definitely appreciate your good wishes baseerahmed! same to you too. :)

i'm of the live chicken school of investing *haha*. while i'll def be looking to fill my basket with fruits, i'd first be looking NOT to hit my head into those dang fruits!

>~<

too painful for a small elf. haha.

and yea. i'm no expert. can't quite emphasise that enough. that word is a fallacy in the stock market, and a danger to believe about oneself. just trying to make a living. hopefully can make enough soon so hit financial independence.... *breathe, breathe, breathe*

sigh. let's see mon. sti gonna be volatile tmrw. direction easy enough to make an educated guess at. watch more macro indicators: dow futures, HSI, nikkei. the nikkei is key. if the first hr sustains, it's up to the final bell. if not, the usual pattern as per friday holds.  

elfie sings the blues, people. that's your hint. Smiley
 

 
baseerahmed
    19-Aug-2007 15:35  
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hahaha !

ok ..lets change the imagery.....

how about .... suddenly the gate opens to the orchard and .... lo and behold .. all the trees have low hanging fruits ... easy picking for a person of ur expertise ....hahaha !

may your basket gets filled with lots of tasty and juicy fruits ....hahaha !

happy and profitable pickings ...!

btw , like u said .. for agile experts like u this a golden opportunity ..!

 
 
 
elfinchilde
    19-Aug-2007 15:28  
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why elfie believes in newmoon's call.

article published just 2 hrs ago.

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Fed sounds warning on US growth



Geoff Elliott, Washington correspondent | August 18, 2007

THE US Federal Reserve said the risk to economic growth in the US had "increased appreciably" after took the surprise move of cutting its primary discount rate.

The Fed moved to pump billions of dollars more cash into the financial system just before the US markets opened on Friday night. It cut the discount rate to 5.75 per cent from 6.25 per cent, declaring that "downside risks" to the economy have increased appreciably.


Markets around the world responded by rebounding strongly overnight Friday. Asian markets had already closed down across the board, but investors from Sao Paulo to London bid up shares almost immediately after the Fed announcement.

The UK's benchmark FTSE 100 surged 3.5 per cent to 6,064.20, reversing much of its losses of a day earlier. France's CAC 40 index rose 1.9 per cent to 5,363.63 and Germany's DAX index was up 1.5 per cent to 7,378.29.

In the United States, the Dow Jones industrial average surged 233.30, or 1.82 per cent, to 13,079.08.

Trading was still volatile throughout the day, with the Dow rising more than 320 points in early trading, giving up more than half those gains, and then picking up steam again. Still, the Dow was down more than 1 percent for the week.

The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 34.67, or 2.46 per cent, to 1,445.94, and the Nasdaq composite index rose 53.96, or 2.20 per cent, to 2,505.03.

The Fed announcement that it would lower the rate on loans charged to banks stopped a global slide that had lasted more than a week amid turmoil in the credit markets. Central banks around the world have poured billions in additional liquidity into the banking system, but Friday's rate cut marked the Fed's most dramatic move.

"This move should be seen as more of a reassurance step, should interbank liquidity begin to dry up again," said ING economist Rob Carnell.

But other analysts were less certain about the move.

"The market turbulence has forced the Fed's hand here, and whilst an emergency cut might give the markets some temporary relief, some might say there is a sense of panic coming from the Fed," said Martin Slaney, head of spread betting at GFT Global Markets.

Analysts said bargain hunters helped prompt the recovery, but warned that volatility is likely to continue next week across the region.

"It is still too early to say whether this trend will continue," said Newton Rosa, an analyst at the Sul America fund in Sao Paulo. "Much will depend on the evolution of the crisis in the international markets."

The Fed said it would accept as collateral for those loans the distressed home mortgages that have led to the current crisis. It would also extend the length of repayment for the loans.

While it kept the more closely watched Federal Funds rate unchanged at 5.25 per cent, market players immediately started betting that rate would also be cut soon, probably ahead of the Fed's meeting next month, given the surprisingly stark warning issued last night.

The Fed hinted that it could move, saying it was "monitoring the situation and is prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy arising from the disruptions in financial markets".

Some analysts are now predicting that the US could be headed into a recession as the US housing market collapses and credit dries up. They described last night's action by Fed chairman Ben Bernanke as "baby steps".

Despite the Fed's underlying message, the intervention had the desired effect, with European stock markets soaring and Wall Street rocketing more than 300 points in the first minutes of trading, although it quickly pulled back and was 130 points higher in the morning session.

The Australian dollar, which collapsed US4c yesterday, jumped US2c and was fetching more than US79c overnight.

Futures markets pointed to a 200-point rise on Australia's S&P/ASX 200 index when trading resumes on Monday.

The index has collapsed more than 11 per cent since its record highs last month, undermined by the crisis that spread through global credit markets from the US mortgage industry.

The S&P/ASX 200 closed yesterday down 40.5 points, at 5671 points, with investors wary after Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens said he would have no hesitation raising interest rates on the eve of a likely November election if necessary.

The Reserve Bank board will be armed with new inflation figures when it meets on November 5, Melbourne Cup day, just a few days before November 10, the most likely date for the federal election.

Earlier this month, the Fed continued to maintain that the risk to the economy was inflation, but last night it said its cut in commercial interest rates came because the "downside risks to growth have increased appreciably".

"Financial market conditions have deteriorated, and tighter credit conditions and increased uncertainty have the potential to restrain economic growth going forward," it said.

The Fed said it had no choice but to start cutting rates "even though recent data suggested that the economy has continued to expand at a moderate pace".

The Fed's actions came despite the hundreds of billions of dollars central banks around the world have injected into the credit markets, which underpin a host of consumer transactions, from credit cards to home mortgages.

The Fed poured a further $US6 billion ($7.6 billion) into the system overnight, taking its injection since last week to $US94 billion. In Australia, the Reserve Bank has pumped at least $8 billion into the financial system.

Craig James, chief economist at Commonwealth Securities, last night described the intervention as a "smart move" designed to provide comfort to financial market investors and the public.

The Fed hoped to stop the chaos in credit markets spreading to the wider economy, he said. "It shows that we are in a time of crisis and that the Fed is concerned the problems could extend to the general economy."

But fears remain. ?Today is a very different world to the world we had a week ago,?? said Zoltan Pozsar, senior economist at Moodys Economy.com

?If the credit market does not loosen up there will be a very severe headwind to growth.??

Peter Schiff, one of the US most prominent bears on the US, said the cut in commercial rates was a ?trial balloon? that would ultimately fail.

?The Fed knows we are headed into a recession but doesn?t want to admit that.??

He said the excess liquidity the Federal Reserve pumped into the US economy over the last decade under the chairmanship of Alan Greenspan was now coming back to haunt the US.

?Greenspan made our bed and now we are going to have to lie in it,?? Schiff said.

?People keep saying this is a sound economy, but if it was so sound we wouldn?t be in this mess.??

Last night?s action from the Fed came after its liquidity injection over the last week failed to unlock the credit markets - that?s because the $US94 billion dished out to the 21 primary dealers on Wall Street was not making its way to the smaller financial institutions, which are now effectively unable to offer mortgages or offer credit to consumers.

Traders said those dealers were hanging on to the money themselves rather than on-lending, driven, in part at least, by the fact that six of those primary dealers, global investment houses Bear Stearns, Nomura, BNP Paribas, Goldman Sachs, UBS and a unit of US mortgage company Countrywide, are suffering either huge losses on the mortgages, or hedge funds, or both.

All week, veteran market traders were decrying the Fed?s efforts to pump in liquidity because the ?blood was not getting to where it was needed? and urging a cut in the discount rates so the secondary financial market could get some funds.

- with wires

 
 
elfinchilde
    19-Aug-2007 14:53  
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oh yea, that ad! haha. saw it once. thought the lady looked a bit loopy. :P cute ad tho. and yea, malteses are cute too. wldn't mind one of those actually...

thanks for the good luck wish! will def need it. haha.

bunnie. in a period of volatility, if you're trading (ie, pls don't even dream of keeping it), you can play what are known as strangleholds (or strangles) in warrants: ie, buy BOTH the put and the call warrants (at different times, of course).

basically, when market is up, you sell the call and buy the put. when market is down, you sell the put and buy the call.

that's what i've been effectively doing these past week. amongst WT, SSH, sembcorp. haha. didn't play cosco, what a waste....

cos, dunno. when weigh risk and reward, warrants are actually 'safer' now. since they track the ENTIRE sti, rather than an individual stock. so what DBS loses for instance, sembcorp/sembmar might weigh out and increase the sti. etcetc. a bit more complicated than this but that abt sums it up. the qn is the choice of warrants. pick for high liquidity and a strike target that is reasonable, plus good conversion ratio.

anyway, you're free now, so rather than looking for tips, why not go learn some TA?!! *nag nag nag* :P better to learn to feed yourself than to dep on other ppl....

warning tho: market on monday is NOT for the risk averse. it's purely for the risk takers and gamblers. so tread lightly, tread fast. expect to be treading on bodies as you go along.

macabre, but yea. 

not lady general lah...and not interested in cutting off heads either. just interested in keeping my own safe and well on my own neck!

haha. :P  
 

 
baseerahmed
    19-Aug-2007 14:08  
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elfinchilde : hahaha !

i am refering to the mocca advt of the 25yrs old lady who is looking for a puppy.... sounded like ur persona ....hahaha !

and now for my imagery of u scalping tomorrow ....a lady general charging her horse into the enemy lines and looping off the heads .....hahaha!

good luck in ur venture !

 
 
bunbun
    19-Aug-2007 14:02  
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uncle kiasu, actually say u see me as shi san yee, u mean i have the characteristics of that character? er... wat are they ah? shi san dian u mean?! oi, be nice :p

me not going europe anymore. all flights are fully booked. the earliest flight i can have ex-sg is 4 sept on MAS, and the px is ridiculous. i did try BA, they have seats available on 28 aug to brussels, but the tix is $1800. wah liao. siao ah. mid this week me go batam, then maybe end of aug/1st wk of sept may go back to GZ again. see how. if go back, won't stay there for long. only using GZ as a gateway to go some other places. iand coz early notice of trip and if im going, will seek ur advice and also do homework on where i can go from GZ.

btw, where is EOB? haven't seen him ard. holidaying ah?

eeeks... $kam$go, eeks, u eating koi... in the first place, kois can be eaten meh?

oooh...elfie gonna play call warrants. can we play too? :p
 
 
elfinchilde
    19-Aug-2007 11:46  
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manikamaniko...'savour the koi carps'....eating them? o_0

haha.

and erm, not quite sure what ads you're referring to, baseerahmed?

well, i do know one thing: tmrw's a chance for major profits. call warrants. hehe.

elfie gonna scalp tmrw, it's playtime! Smiley

BUT...elfie will also hold nothing longterm. instinctively, i agree with newmoon. 

fastest runner wins. hehe. let's go! Smiley

byebye and have a good rest of weekend.  
 
 
baseerahmed
    19-Aug-2007 10:09  
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now that there is a little shade after weeks of tension ... thought lighten up a bit ....

i am reminded of eflinchilde when i see the mocca advert on our tv ...wonder if they got the inspiration from her postings in fellowship ...hahaha !

bon voyage ... or is it sayonara ... Manikamaniko ... :  )

 
 

 
Manikamaniko.
    19-Aug-2007 09:11  
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I am off to Osaka to savour the Macho Ranchus and the exquisite Koi Carps... Smiley
 
 
chinkiasu
    18-Aug-2007 22:58  
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I just noted something my dear bunbun... how come now you become "nong kia" ...  I always see you as shi2 san1 yee1..  .. so where are you off next...?  As for me I am going to Shanghai for the week...
 
 
chinkiasu
    18-Aug-2007 22:51  
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dear Bunbun, Synnexo.. yes we have the fellowship.... I am encouraged too by your posts even the kau beh ing (it means you trust us...)... .. so all is well....Group Hug

... lets then... look for the new day.. any dream will do..
 
 
maxliukt
    18-Aug-2007 22:41  
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thanks for posting baseerahmed, wish I have done as said earlier.
 
 
elfinchilde
    18-Aug-2007 21:32  
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yep baseerahmed, good post. :)

sigh. oh bunnie. if you can see that it is fear and greed ruling, why not learn to master it...being in the market for so long, i think the most important thing is education. totally agree with baseerahmed there! :) 

perhaps, in the market, if there is an emotion one must feel, it is cruelty.

the ability to cut even if it hurts yourself, and win, at the cost of someone else. since, it is a zero sum game after all. game theory at its finest and most fundamental.

and have realised one thing: all my gains have always came from trading, from technicals. FA play has only costed me losses.

but ok. still on profit for the year. so synnexo, (despite the kb-ing hehe): yep. let us cheer each other on. :) as for how to even out losses... entirely on your personality. scalp, cut loss and wait for bear to realign for a good portfolio for the years to come, or just hold on. but rem that if you hold on and a bear does come, the retracement will likely never reach the levels it once did.

good luck to all in this trying time! Smiley
 

 
bunbun
    18-Aug-2007 17:11  
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uncle kiasu, thanks for ur concern/advice. :)

i just whine a bit lah. cannot whine to my family, so come online whine a bit :p

those that i am holding on, ya, i know, a bit late let go. 1st day of 'correction', already cut 1 counter immediately when it fell thru' its 2 support prices within the same day. the 2nd one i cut was when i had margin call. right now still have 3 on hand, but they are all paid up for, so at least i dun have to worry kena another margin call.

acutally hor, i dunno if my counters had any coy buybacks leh. dint go see the busd data. hahaha. uncle kiasu, take this "nong kia" just kao-bei-ing.
 
 
synnexo
    18-Aug-2007 17:05  
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chinkiasu, pardon me for interrupting...i really appreciate your encouragement to bunbun. Guess at this time of the market we need to encourage each other more & be more patience with our portfolios. Re-evaluate if require. More important now is to focus in breaking even rather to think about potential gains.
 
 
singaporegal
    18-Aug-2007 16:58  
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Dear baseerahmed ,

Good list of tips!
 
 
chinkiasu
    18-Aug-2007 16:02  
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sorry about the late reply bunbun.... I had to run some errands then and do not want to post too hastily as I am very appreciative of the sensitivities... as to why your counter dont do coy buybacks etc (do feel free to write me at buaykiasu@yahoo.com  and I will give some frank opinions)..

but generally,  bunbun re your losses hor....Begging  i think it is really too late to do much except to hang on   Hangingbecause the fundamentals that you had earlier counted on when you bought your shares should still be there... except last week everything is governed by sentiments i.e FEAR.. and also because hedge funds have to sell perhaps everything to prevent their coys from going under ... today you read some hedge owners have to sell their helicopters, luxury yacht, personal jets etc... and I do not wish to say things or give advice. as  all of us have learnt something here..Yoda I just want to encourage you not to be discouraged...

so I still say Monday will be a new day .. the dawn is breaking and a world awakening.. a bright new day..... with the 50 point discount rate given by US Fed to their banks yesterday, DOW and Europe bourses have rebounded and I believe so also will our SGX... soon your hiap hoe will recover

 
 
 
chinkiasu
    18-Aug-2007 13:16  
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