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  the record date is 6 Aug...hope it chiongs before that... 

Stockcham      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 11:50) Posted: Bro, thanks for sharing. The forum should have more people like you. Lol! I saw it coming up after reaching near another support but I didn't buy. In normal situation, I would have chiong in to queue at support price again. The reason why I didn't buy because XD is coming. Remember in my earlier post I asked about when is the XD?. If I remember correctly someone said is August 3. I want to see how it perform first on the first day of XD. If the support can hold, then may want to try some. That's my 2-cents worth! Huat ah! halleluyah      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 11:32) Posted: Hiap tong gd support at 0.26/0.265. Forgotten to monitor in z morning as am busy looking at penny till afternoon then it was 0.275/0.28. Get some 0.28 bt did nt manage to get 0.275. Wat a waste....hai

 

Thanks for sharing your insights Bro! Appreciate that! This club needs accountant like you who can analyse P & L.

I'm happy that more and more bros & sis are sharing! This makes this forum more interesting, meaningful and useful.

Enjoy your weekend too! Huat ah!

Pauperman      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 10:16) Posted: Stockcham I agree with your view. The management may announce something to support the price. or the bb may bounce the stock to get out. I jumped in into innopac at 141. Did not cut when it drop to 138 139 because I've seen how the bb played this stock. Never realised the news of the reduction in profit will be released. However if we look closer, the reduction in profit was because of a reduction in "other income" of approx 10million. The normal core operating income has only a slight reduction. Those of us who has been trading long enough do see that some stock prices shot up despite a reduction in profit whereas some react with a reduction in share price. Whichever direction it may go on Monday I believe the bb already have a game plan. Sell on strength and be nimble. Personally I think it will stay either neutral or bounce up, ignoring the news. Hopefully I am right. And hey, its weekend now! Focus on what we have have been neglecting the past few days or catch up with your family. Let the worry or anxiety come back at 9am come Monday. Stockcham      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 09:38) Posted: Bro, I agree with you on the wall at 134  and below on that day. On Monday, these wall at these price may not be real anymore which I believe you will agree. Bbs was using your Short to strength theory starting at 144, but too bad not many buyers willing to buy. In my opinion, whether short or long  from Monday onwards is not  easy. To long,  we know that shortist like to short this counter especially with this news. To short, we don't know whether the management will throw in any news to support their price.  Now many are waiting to short this counter. I always believe there is no easy money. If really the price were to go down, BBs may create a situation to flush out retail shortist first before they allow the price to  go down. That's my view! Good luck! Huat ah!

 

Bro, thanks for sharing. The forum should have more people like you. Lol! I saw it coming up after reaching near another support but I didn't buy. In normal situation, I would have chiong in to queue at support price again. The reason why I didn't buy because XD is coming. Remember in my earlier post I asked about when is the XD?. If I remember correctly someone said is August 3. I want to see how it perform first on the first day of XD. If the support can hold, then may want to try some. That's my 2-cents worth!

Huat ah!

halleluyah      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 11:32) Posted: Hiap tong gd support at 0.26/0.265. Forgotten to monitor in z morning as am busy looking at penny till afternoon then it was 0.275/0.28. Get some 0.28 bt did nt manage to get 0.275. Wat a waste....haiz hopinj      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 10:16) Posted: Same thoughts bro, waiting for a rebounce to minimise the loss...if rebounce it might be around .32 range...i was waiting for it to touch .29 range as thought it was the support but it went down again, then waited for it to touch .265, as i believed that should be a real support...so i simply don't look at that stock yesterday and it really touched .265 with some married lots... i ave once, will ave again if it really starts to rebounce...yesterday at least it closed at .28, hopefully is the start of a rebounce... the lesson i learnt from innopac, is not to be impatient in trading stock to cover the losses for other stocks, this has been my weakness... also the discipline to sell when have profit, when i saw it coming down, i wanted to match at close as not comfortable with its closing below .14...greed and stubbornness are great weaknesses in trading...  HUAT AH!!!

 

Hiap tong gd support at 0.26/0.265. Forgotten to monitor in z morning as am busy looking at penny till afternoon then it was 0.275/0.28. Get some 0.28 bt did nt manage to get 0.275. Wat a waste....haiz

hopinj      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 10:16) Posted: Same thoughts bro, waiting for a rebounce to minimise the loss...if rebounce it might be around .32 range...i was waiting for it to touch .29 range as thought it was the support but it went down again, then waited for it to touch .265, as i believed that should be a real support...so i simply don't look at that stock yesterday and it really touched .265 with some married lots... i ave once, will ave again if it really starts to rebounce...yesterday at least it closed at .28, hopefully is the start of a rebounce... the lesson i learnt from innopac, is not to be impatient in trading stock to cover the losses for other stocks, this has been my weakness... also the discipline to sell when have profit, when i saw it coming down, i wanted to match at close as not comfortable with its closing below .14...greed and stubbornness are great weaknesses in trading...  HUAT AH!!!  novice_trader      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 01:15) Posted: Waw bro hopinj, u still have Hiap Tong? Same here... Looks weak and any bounce to me seems a opportunity for me to dump it... ZZzzzz... Lets hope it climbs up as XD is coming in Aug. Anything near 0.134 I will sure dump it off... Hahaha. Just my own thinking... Cheers bro and Huat Ah

 

an opinion from a friend on innopac's announcement:

- excluding paper value gain, margin is 37% which has improved from previous year

- debt is low but roe 5% is low

- liquidity is high, nav 2 % is medium

- generally business is better than previous year 

 

hope for a better Monday, Huat Ah! 

Pauperman      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 10:16) Posted: Stockcham I agree with your view. The management may announce something to support the price. or the bb may bounce the stock to get out. I jumped in into innopac at 141. Did not cut when it drop to 138 139 because I've seen how the bb played this stock. Never realised the news of the reduction in profit will be released. However if we look closer, the reduction in profit was because of a reduction in "other income" of approx 10million. The normal core operating income has only a slight reduction. Those of us who has been trading long enough do see that some stock prices shot up despite a reduction in profit whereas some react with a reduction in share price. Whichever direction it may go on Monday I believe the bb already have a game plan. Sell on strength and be nimble. Personally I think it will stay either neutral or bounce up, ignoring the news. Hopefully I am right. And hey, its weekend now! Focus on what we have have been neglecting the past few days or catch up with your family. Let the worry or anxiety come back at 9am come Monday. Stockcham      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 09:38) Posted: Bro, I agree with you on the wall at 134  and below on that day. On Monday, these wall at these price may not be real anymore which I believe you will agree. Bbs was using your Short to strength theory starting at 144, but too bad not many buyers willing to buy. In my opinion, whether short or long  from Monday onwards is not  easy. To long,  we know that shortist like to short this counter especially with this news. To short, we don't know whether the management will throw in any news to support their price.  Now many are waiting to short this counter. I always believe there is no easy money. If really the price were to go down, BBs may create a situation to flush out retail shortist first before they allow the price to  go down. That's my view! Good luck! Huat ah!

 

INFORMATICS guys out there...something amazing taking place next week

 

Stockcham I agree with your view. The management may announce something to support the price. or the bb may bounce the stock to get out. I jumped in into innopac at 141. Did not cut when it drop to 138 139 because I've seen how the bb played this stock. Never realised the news of the reduction in profit will be released.

However if we look closer, the reduction in profit was because of a reduction in "other income" of approx 10million. The normal core operating income has only a slight reduction.

Those of us who has been trading long enough do see that some stock prices shot up despite a reduction in profit whereas some react with a reduction in share price.

Whichever direction it may go on Monday I believe the bb already have a game plan. Sell on strength and be nimble.

Personally I think it will stay either neutral or bounce up, ignoring the news. Hopefully I am right.

And hey, its weekend now! Focus on what we have have been neglecting the past few days or catch up with your family. Let the worry or anxiety come back at 9am come Monday.

Stockcham      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 09:38) Posted: Bro, I agree with you on the wall at 134  and below on that day. On Monday, these wall at these price may not be real anymore which I believe you will agree. Bbs was using your Short to strength theory starting at 144, but too bad not many buyers willing to buy. In my opinion, whether short or long  from Monday onwards is not  easy. To long,  we know that shortist like to short this counter especially with this news. To short, we don't know whether the management will throw in any news to support their price.  Now many are waiting to short this counter. I always believe there is no easy money. If really the price were to go down, BBs may create a situation to flush out retail shortist first before they allow the price to  go down. That's my view! Good luck! Huat ah!  ace333      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 01:08) Posted: bro just an observation.....the true wall I tink is at 0.134....133....132.....131.......happen to see this wall on the day when BB sell down from 0.136> > > > 0.133 then the wall appear and they eat back up to close 0.135..............LO

 

Same thoughts bro, waiting for a rebounce to minimise the loss...if rebounce it might be around .32 range...i was waiting for it to touch .29 range as thought it was the support but it went down again, then waited for it to touch .265, as i believed that should be a real support...so i simply don't look at that stock yesterday and it really touched .265 with some married lots...

i ave once, will ave again if it really starts to rebounce...yesterday at least it closed at .28, hopefully is the start of a rebounce...

the lesson i learnt from innopac, is not to be impatient in trading stock to cover the losses for other stocks, this has been my weakness...

also the discipline to sell when have profit, when i saw it coming down, i wanted to match at close as not comfortable with its closing below .14...greed and stubbornness are great weaknesses in trading... 

HUAT AH!!! 

novice_trader      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 01:15) Posted: Waw bro hopinj, u still have Hiap Tong? Same here... Looks weak and any bounce to me seems a opportunity for me to dump it... ZZzzzz... Lets hope it climbs up as XD is coming in Aug. Anything near 0.134 I will sure dump it off... Hahaha. Just my own thinking... Cheers bro and Huat Ah! hopinj      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 10:12) Posted: Bro stockham, what is the target price if innopac moves? I seldom buy pennies as ganna burnt many times in the past. Still stuck with hiaptong and big paper loss. Bought some hoping to cover the loss. Huat ah!

 

Morning everyone!.

We can learn something from this Innopac lesson. Everyone shared their observation and that's how we learn from there. That was good discussion in my opinion.  This lesson is not only about how the price move. It is  also a lesson on how to take profit or cut loss if something is not right, and not to keep holding on to it.

Good luck and have a nice weekend!

Back to work now!

 

Bro, I agree with you on the wall at 134  and below on that day. On Monday, these wall at these price may not be real anymore which I believe you will agree. Bbs was using your Short to strength theory starting at 144, but too bad not many buyers willing to buy. In my opinion, whether short or long  from Monday onwards is not  easy. To long,  we know that shortist like to short this counter especially with this news. To short, we don't know whether the management will throw in any news to support their price.  Now many are waiting to short this counter. I always believe there is no easy money. If really the price were to go down, BBs may create a situation to flush out retail shortist first before they allow the price to  go down. That's my view!

Good luck! Huat ah! 

ace333      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 01:08) Posted: bro just an observation.....the true wall I tink is at 0.134....133....132.....131.......happen to see this wall on the day when BB sell down from 0.136> > > > 0.133 then the wall appear and they eat back up to close 0.135..............LOL Stockcham      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 21:04) Posted: After closing, I think about this Innopac again. There is a mistake which I have made. When I see that we have so many soldiers(many lots at buy queue), I was happy  as if we are in real war. Now I think back, I was wrong.  Based on my Greatwall of China queue theory, this is no good. At first, the queue was quite even when it moves up. But later in the afternoon, the buy queue volumn is so much more than the sell queue  as it go down pip by pip. In fact, I should have sell it. I will remember  not to be too in the show next time. Those bros who truly understand this Greatwall of China Queue theory should know what I mean. Good luck! Huat ah!

 

Bro, you have good observation. Basically the Greatwall of China buy queue is there to induce people to buy at sell price while they use bro ace333's short to strength theory. As you have seen, there isn't much buying at sell q price. So they drop 1 pip and sell to the buy q. They use the same method hoping that there will be buyers to buy at sell q price since it is 1 pip lower now, and this goes on. In fact, at 143-144, the 17k buy q against 7k-8k sell q one point of time(if I remember correctly)  should provide quite clear signal.

As I said earlier, I was too in the show and forgotten about my Greatwall Theory. Even though I forgot my theory, I'm still in clear mind to see something not going right. When it drop to 140-141, I'm prepared to sell. Then it drop to 139-140, I keyed in my sell order but haven't submit yet cos still hoping to see it go above 140. One SJ bro asked my opinion on this Innopac. I told him I will likely to sell if I think it cannot close at at least 140.  When I see part of the queue at 139 withdrawn, I thrown it  straight at 139. Immediately, BBs thrown down and the price drop to 138-139. Look at Times & Sales, at 16:50:16    the 300 lots belong to me. Lol!

Hopefully Monday not so jialat! Everyone prepare to short this counter on Monday, thus there may be some hope because where got so easy to make  money one. If there is any opportunity, I think must run. 

Good luck! Huat ah! 

halleluyah      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 23:18) Posted: Bro Stockcham, i see 2 scenario abt the obvious increasing buying volumme. Scenario 1 : it will go higher if there r constant buying up frm selling q. Scenario 2 : no buying at all frm the selling q after awhile, then will b short down. Stockcham      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 21:04) Posted: After closing, I think about this Innopac again. There is a mistake which I have made. When I see that we have so many soldiers(many lots at buy queue), I was happy  as if we are in real war. Now I think back, I was wrong.  Based on my Greatwall of China queue theory, this is no good. At first, the queue was quite even when it moves up. But later in the afternoon, the buy queue volumn is so much more than the sell queue  as it go down pip by pip. In fact, I should have sell it. I will remember  not to be too in the show next time. Those bros who truly understand this Greatwall of China Queue theory should know what I mean. Good luck! Huat ah!

 

Bro Stochcham, thank you for your advice. Actually after think over last night and saw some other bros/sis comment. I decided to cut loss Monday morning. If direction is clear, I will join bro ace333 to short it to take back my money.

Stockcham      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 08:43) Posted: Bro JarolLo, when I gave you my advice below, I don't have any information on the profit issue. Since there is a profit warning, it is better not to keep for the time being. You can buy back a better price if you  still believe the management will do something to resolves the current issues. I still believe that. Good Luck! Huat ah! JarolLo      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 20:53) Posted: Thank you very much bro. I was just too impatient to wait. Got to learn from this stupid mistake again and again. Really appreciate your advice.

 

Bro JarolLo, when I gave you my advice below, I don't have any information on the profit issue. Since there is a profit warning, it is better not to keep for the time being. You can buy back a better price if you  still believe the management will do something to resolves the current issues. I still believe that. Good Luck! Huat ah!

JarolLo      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 20:53) Posted: Thank you very much bro. I was just too impatient to wait. Got to learn from this stupid mistake again and again. Really appreciate your advice. Stockcham      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 20:22) Posted: Aiyo Bro, next time too late  don't try better. very risky! Today it doesn't close above 139. I'm not comfortable with that. The best is if it can close 140 and above. But it is still hard to say. Will have to see how it perform on Monday. This is a shortist counter, that's why have to be careful. Maybe you want to give yourself 2-3 pip before you cut it. If you can, it's good to hold it. Good luck! Huat ah

 

INFORMATICS we see the resistance forming up at 10cents...could be time for it to head up

 

Can any sifu help me to decipher whether is this a good or bad news for swiber?

http://sgx.i3investor.com/servlets/anpth/118861.jsp

 

Informatics......watch for it......

 

Boy, realized that almost all the last few post is from me... Sorry for the spam bros and sis!!! Will promise to log off SJ now!!!!
Huat ah!!!

 

Sometimes bro hard to say when is right to enter or exit... Just need to cut cut cut if drop, easy to say but hard to execute...
See for me Unionmet, I buy like 0.062 and sell next day 0.065 bcoz the price drop after minutes of opening, thought I was safe and protect profits but who knows go up so many later in the day, think 0.10 on 25th July... Bet we thought if u go in 0.134 the price will be higher maybe close at 0.14 right? I average up to 0.139 for innopac, think Monday really must see how bah... Huat ah all bro and sis!!! Good night!

JarolLo      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 20:53) Posted: Thank you very much bro. I was just too impatient to wait. Got to learn from this stupid mistake again and again. Really appreciate your advice. Stockcham      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 20:22) Posted: Aiyo Bro, next time too late  don't try better. very risky! Today it doesn't close above 139. I'm not comfortable with that. The best is if it can close 140 and above. But it is still hard to say. Will have to see how it perform on Monday. This is a shortist counter, that's why have to be careful. Maybe you want to give yourself 2-3 pip before you cut it. If you can, it's good to hold it. Good luck! Huat ah

 

Guru ace333, sorry but how to know that 0.10 for Unionmet is a rebound or Dead Cat Bounce? Need to sharpen my shorts skills... Think next week is shorting week.

ace333      ( Date: 27-Jul-2013 01:08) Posted: bro just an observation.....the true wall I tink is at 0.134....133....132.....131.......happen to see this wall on the day when BB sell down from 0.136> > > > 0.133 then the wall appear and they eat back up to close 0.135..............LOL Stockcham      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 21:04) Posted: After closing, I think about this Innopac again. There is a mistake which I have made. When I see that we have so many soldiers(many lots at buy queue), I was happy  as if we are in real war. Now I think back, I was wrong.  Based on my Greatwall of China queue theory, this is no good. At first, the queue was quite even when it moves up. But later in the afternoon, the buy queue volumn is so much more than the sell queue  as it go down pip by pip. In fact, I should have sell it. I will remember  not to be too in the show next time. Those bros who truly understand this Greatwall of China Queue theory should know what I mean. Good luck! Huat ah!

 

Hi bro stkcham....sori for asking though you already answered of ytd. I forgotten abt it.

Will see how it performs on Monday......hope for the best. Otherwise cut loss. Thks.

Stockcham      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 20:43) Posted: Bro, I have shared my views with you yesterday. You may want to hear the view of other bros! Huat ah! Glorious      ( Date: 26-Jul-2013 17:23) Posted: Hi bro stkcham....I qued until neck long long for aussino and lorenzo since morn 09.18am 0.14 (A) and 0.132 (L). Unfortunately cannot close the said px. High for (A) is 0.138 and (L) is 0.131. No MD for both and also can't read lah. May I ask your adv what you think for this 2 counters next wk? Thks.