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niuyear
    21-Mar-2011 12:44  
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Is better for 'somone out there to control the share" rathan than  nobody cares. 

AnthonyTan      ( Date: 21-Mar-2011 10:09) Posted:



The stabilizing managers can always place very big  order

to buy at US$0.955 and sell at US$0.96. They are now controlling

the share px. as if it is being conered.

 
 
Andrew
    21-Mar-2011 12:29  
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This called Green Shoe Option or Over Allotment Option........without this, I don't any IPO manager want to do up the issue for you lor.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenshoe

IPO manager make more money when stock is underwater. They are probably shouting YAHOOoooo now......





AnthonyTan      ( Date: 21-Mar-2011 09:59) Posted:



Why must the SGX allow the stabilizing managers to

see that the share px. will not drop further  when the IPO start

trading. If the share px. shot up, will the stabilizing managers

keep selling the shares to bring it down???????? In fairness,

let the market take its own course and do away the stabilizing

managers. This is the case of the  big fish eating the small fish.

 
 
AnthonyTan
    21-Mar-2011 10:09  
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The stabilizing managers can always place very big  order

to buy at US$0.955 and sell at US$0.96. They are now controlling

the share px. as if it is being conered.
 

 
AnthonyTan
    21-Mar-2011 09:59  
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Why must the SGX allow the stabilizing managers to

see that the share px. will not drop further  when the IPO start

trading. If the share px. shot up, will the stabilizing managers

keep selling the shares to bring it down???????? In fairness,

let the market take its own course and do away the stabilizing

managers. This is the case of the  big fish eating the small fish.
 
 
AnthonyTan
    21-Mar-2011 09:37  
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No reasons to crawl back up on monday.

If without the support of the stabilizing managers,

the share px. could have drop below US$0.90.

Food for thought: why the IPO was issued at the lower

end of the asking  price????????

niuyear      ( Date: 20-Mar-2011 20:43) Posted:

Likely willl crawl back up on monday.,

 
 
niuyear
    20-Mar-2011 20:43  
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Likely willl crawl back up on monday.,
 

 
AnthonyTan
    20-Mar-2011 14:11  
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DB, the stabilizing manager bought 70,500,000 shares  at US0.945

to US0.975 on 18 Mar 2011. If without this purchase, the shares

would be worst and could  drop further. Now is the chance to  see the BBs

carry the baby, hahaha. Just watch and see how low it can go.

 

limkt009      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 16:48) Posted:

HPH is a loan-shark counter, before you get divy, its price has dropped 5% on listing.

 
 
Andrew
    19-Mar-2011 15:31  
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I not pro hor...

Having a trust or reit is like selling away asset except you still have some control over it.  It allow the parent to extract cash.  I can only guess HW is going on a shopping spree.

In exchnge new investor help pay up some of the expired or going to expire lease.

Having a trust or reit also have additional tax incentive from our garment.  But HPH is based in PRC-HK-SAR........don't know will it benefit.....probably not.....


GuavaXF30      ( Date: 19-Mar-2011 11:11) Posted:



Also don't understand what it means as a business trust. Yes, I get that it's like a reit, but isn't the parent already listed by itself in HK ? Is there any issue with double-accounting here ? Any pros can answer ?

As for me, this is one ot stay away from until clouds are cleared. And I do not mean just the Japan radio active clouds....

des_khor      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 22:34) Posted:

Lousy one will only list here la as if they list at thier home country I guess maybe less taker as most of them understand them the most ! No so good...


 
 
GuavaXF30
    19-Mar-2011 11:11  
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Also don't understand what it means as a business trust. Yes, I get that it's like a reit, but isn't the parent already listed by itself in HK ? Is there any issue with double-accounting here ? Any pros can answer ?

As for me, this is one ot stay away from until clouds are cleared. And I do not mean just the Japan radio active clouds....

des_khor      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 22:34) Posted:

Lousy one will only list here la as if they list at thier home country I guess maybe less taker as most of them understand them the most ! No so good....

niuyear      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:15) Posted:

Apparaently,  those IPOs in SGX, mostly  after that,  never do well  in their businesses. especially china linked businesss....  hong kong is part of china, mighit face the same fate as well


 
 
Andrew
    19-Mar-2011 00:19  
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I thought PE closer to 14 leh......also a few leases on land in HK are expiring in the coming months, as a matter of fact one warehse lease aredi expired. So need to spend money to topup lease lor.


I view the counter rich in valuation.......anyway.....it is an established company.  BTW they own 14 of the 24 berth in HK-SAR.


zhixuen      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:17) Posted:



True True.. All china related stock tumbled like no tomorrow.

hahahaah ~~ Aiyo don't list at SGX la.

HPH PE just 2.9? so attractive.

wishbone      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:02) Posted:



Haha. Hong Kong is part of China mah!!!!!!

Smiley 


 

 
warrenbegger
    18-Mar-2011 23:45  
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I didnt short and i wont short, i not a fan of short (My strategy dont had short) but i support those shortist that short so i can load cheap :) Gratz to those that win short today :)

rotijai      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 23:38) Posted:

anyone shot just now at opening?

 
 
rotijai
    18-Mar-2011 23:38  
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anyone shot just now at opening?
 
 
warrenbegger
    18-Mar-2011 23:33  
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HPH is King of S-chip! LOL!!
 
 
des_khor
    18-Mar-2011 22:34  
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Lousy one will only list here la as if they list at thier home country I guess maybe less taker as most of them understand them the most ! No so good....

niuyear      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:15) Posted:

Apparaently,  those IPOs in SGX, mostly  after that,  never do well  in their businesses. especially china linked businesss....  hong kong is part of china, mighit face the same fate as well.

des_khor      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:12) Posted:

Don't understand why come all the way to SGX to get low valuation ? SGX is well known to offer lousy valuation for China Counters.... must have some gems there just we don't know only....


 
 
larrysoon
    18-Mar-2011 17:19  
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totally agree all big fish are here. so no worries about getting listed sure got ppl go and ask for it one.

SupremeA      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:16) Posted:

More like only lousy IPOs come to Sg

niuyear      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:07) Posted:



SGX is a curse for those IPOs.  All traded under water on first day.


 

 
zhixuen
    18-Mar-2011 17:17  
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True True.. All china related stock tumbled like no tomorrow.

hahahaah ~~ Aiyo don't list at SGX la.

HPH PE just 2.9? so attractive.

wishbone      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:02) Posted:



Haha. Hong Kong is part of China mah!!!!!!

Smiley 

zhixuen      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:00) Posted:



HPH is S-Chip why dropped like S-Chip.

Would take up when drop near to 0.90


 
 
SupremeA
    18-Mar-2011 17:16  
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More like only lousy IPOs come to Sg

niuyear      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:07) Posted:



SGX is a curse for those IPOs.  All traded under water on first day.

 
 
niuyear
    18-Mar-2011 17:15  
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Apparaently,  those IPOs in SGX, mostly  after that,  never do well  in their businesses. especially china linked businesss....  hong kong is part of china, mighit face the same fate as well.

des_khor      ( Date: 18-Mar-2011 17:12) Posted:

Don't understand why come all the way to SGX to get low valuation ? SGX is well known to offer lousy valuation for China Counters.... must have some gems there just we don't know only....

 
 
niuyear
    18-Mar-2011 17:12  
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Hutchison Port Trust Units Fall in Singapore Trading Debut

Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. Chairman Li Ka-shing

Li Ka-shing, chairman of Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. and Cheung Kong (Holdings) Ltd. Photographer: Dale de la Rey/Bloomberg

Hutchison Port Holdings Trust Chairman Canning Fok

Hutchison Port Holdings Trust Chairman Canning Fok speaks during the listing ceremony for HPH Trust at the Singapore Exchange. Photographer: Munshi Ahmed/Bloomberg



Hutchison Port Holdings Trust, having raised $5.5 billion in this year’s largest initial public offering, dropped as much as 6.4 percent from the IPO price, which was set before an earthquake in Japan roiled Asian markets.

Units of the container-terminal owner traded as low as 94.5 U.S. cents, and stood at 95 cents as of 2:44 p.m. in Singapore today. The trust, which holds assets from Li Ka-shing’s Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. (13), priced units in the IPO at $1.01.

Asian equities have tumbled this week, sending the MSCI Asia Pacific Index toward its biggest weekly decline since May, because of concerns that electricity shortages and radiation leaks from a nuclear-power plant crippled by the quake may disrupt production in Japan.

“Considering the situation, I think it’s excellent,” trust Chairman Canning Fok said about the stock reaction at the listing ceremony in Singapore today. He said the earthquake’s “impact is minimal” on the trust’s assets.

The trust, which owns terminals in Hong Kong and neighboring Shenzhen, sold about 5.4 billion units in the IPO. The price range was initially set at 91 cents to $1.08 before being narrowed to 99 cents to $1.03, according to term sheets.

The trust’s terminals handled a record 21.2 million 20-foot containers last year, 17 percent more than in 2009. The trust has room to develop 12 more berths in Shenzhen’s deepwater Yantian port, with the first three expected to be completed by 2015, Ivor Chow, chief financial officer of the trust’s manager, said at a Singapore press briefing last week.

World’s Busiest



Hong Kong and Shenzhen, in China’s Pearl River Delta, form the world’s busiest container market, Hong Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa said in a Jan. 18 statement. Hutchison Whampoa, controlled by billionaire Li, kept about 25 percent of the trust and will manage it.

Hutchison Whampoa rose 1.1 percent to HK$85.7 at 2:44 p.m. in Hong Kong. It’s dropped 7.7 percent since March 10, the last day of trading before the temblor. The company, the world’s largest container-terminal operator, also invests in drugstores, real estate and mobile-phone services.

Laura Cheung, a Hutchison Whampoa spokeswoman, wasn’t immediately available to comment. DBS Group Holdings Ltd. (DBS), Deutsche Bank AG (DBK) and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) managed the trust’s sale.

Cornerstone investors led by Capital Research & Management Co. and Paulson & Co. invested $1.62 billion in the IPO, according to the prospectus filed with the Monetary Authority of Singapore. Temasek Holdings Pte, Singapore’s state investment company, was among the cornerstone investors.
 
 
des_khor
    18-Mar-2011 17:12  
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Don't understand why come all the way to SGX to get low valuation ? SGX is well known to offer lousy valuation for China Counters.... must have some gems there just we don't know only....
 
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