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If you got 10k for investment nw, how are u gg....

True.  Sometime I also made this blunder.  Collect and collect and then suddenly sell when see some profits.  Kiasi in a rally and brave in a rally, wrong way!

des_khor      ( Date: 14-Apr-2009 13:59) Posted: some buy at bottom but just sell at 1% profit !! haha !! cheongwee      ( Date: 14-Apr-2009 12:49) Posted: Ever read somewhere saying if you sell and buy at near 20% of both end...you are some top 10% of smart invester...can anyone say something...really i read abt this ..but dont know fr where...anyone come across this??? But one thing for sure..nobody can really sell at the top and buy at the bottom...but only possible thro lucky star..even Buffet ever admit to this..

 

some buy at bottom but just sell at 1% profit !! haha !!

cheongwee      ( Date: 14-Apr-2009 12:49) Posted: Ever read somewhere saying if you sell and buy at near 20% of both end...you are some top 10% of smart invester...can anyone say something...really i read abt this ..but dont know fr where...anyone come across this??? But one thing for sure..nobody can really sell at the top and buy at the bottom...but only possible thro lucky star..even Buffet ever admit to this..

 

Actually if you try hard you can still get the best price near the bottom. Simple: average down in larger quantities.

 

Ever read somewhere saying if you sell and buy at near 20% of both end...you are some top 10% of smart invester...can anyone say something...really i read abt this ..but dont know fr where...anyone come across this???

But one thing for sure..nobody can really sell at the top and buy at the bottom...but only possible thro lucky star..even Buffet ever admit to this..

 

Buy low does not mean waiting for your ideal price. Then you will forever be a waiting investor 

 

same wave-length as AK, it's nice.

 

Yah, good advice, buy low sell high, sure profit one, no doubt liao.

 

yup, but must buy low.

wongmx6      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:35) Posted: Many Hedge Fund and Big Boys speculate the Market. Some Long, Some Short but they only have 1 aim is to Make Money. We are small, it's not easy to make profit from this game unless we go for long and only invest on credible Company. Buy Low, Sell High. Apparently, now is still low.

 

There is somethig called break new high. It means going into unchartered region. Some things hard to explain

wongmx6      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:35) Posted: Many Hedge Fund and Big Boys speculate the Market. Some Long, Some Short but they only have 1 aim is to Make Money. We are small, it's not easy to make profit from this game unless we go for long and only invest on credible Company. Buy Low, Sell High. Apparently, now is still low.

 

Yes, margin may be not for beginners. If you read my previous post for a start if you do margin just leverage up a bit of say $10k with initial capital of $30k i.e borrow $10k out of a possible $60k. Another thing is don't buy too many stocks when on margin 

cheongwee      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:39) Posted: I do use margin ..but the guy who posted this maybe beginner...i am afraid he may not be verse in using margin..so a word of caution.. You are right ...use margin properly bring handsome profit..but not for beginner..maybe he try dry run first, then comfortable then go for the real thing. BTW..this so call margin are equate to what current bank on brink of bankruptcy uses..they call leverage...over leverage..but i think they did not cut losses fast..or they are too greedy that they hold alot and not enough time to unload..as the market collapse.. Margin are definitely not for beginner..thanks for your post. Livermore      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:28) Posted: If you don't believe in margin, it is ok. I only share what I know is possible without having to take such high risks. I am not here selling a product called margin. Good luck.

 

For investors, 'cut loss' is not in their dictionary...

They only want to learn it when they ar ealmost wiped out,
eg. when their stocks are a fraction of their purchase price.

(With margin, it is even more devastating, hence lives are lost too.
It is precisely  the 'investment' mentality that killed many a big stock buyer)...   

 

Yes, i agree those who bought blues with a few yrs horizon will see above average return...in the future..

Margin are for those with big appetize and those who can take calculated risk...that is follow a strict trading rule...thanks ...

wongmx6      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:35) Posted: Many Hedge Fund and Big Boys speculate the Market. Some Long, Some Short but they only have 1 aim is to Make Money. We are small, it's not easy to make profit from this game unless we go for long and only invest on credible Company. Buy Low, Sell High. Apparently, now is still low.

 

I do use margin ..but the guy who posted this maybe beginner...i am afraid he may not be verse in using margin..so a word of caution..

You are right ...use margin properly bring handsome profit..but not for beginner..maybe he try dry run first, then comfortable then go for the real thing.

BTW..this so call margin are equate to what current bank on brink of bankruptcy uses..they call leverage...over leverage..but i think they did not cut losses fast..or they are too greedy that they hold alot and not enough time to unload..as the market collapse..

Margin are definitely not for beginner..thanks for your post.

Livermore      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:28) Posted: If you don't believe in margin, it is ok. I only share what I know is possible without having to take such high risks. I am not here selling a product called margin. Good luck.

 

low go lower... high go higher...

wongmx6      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 21:35) Posted: Many Hedge Fund and Big Boys speculate the Market. Some Long, Some Short but they only have 1 aim is to Make Money. We are small, it's not easy to make profit from this game unless we go for long and only invest on credible Company. Buy Low, Sell High. Apparently, now is still low.

 

Many Hedge Fund and Big Boys speculate the Market. Some Long, Some Short but they only have 1 aim is to Make Money.

We are small, it's not easy to make profit from this game unless we go for long and only invest on credible Company.

Buy Low, Sell High.

Apparently, now is still low.

 

 

 

If you don't believe in margin, it is ok. I only share what I know is possible without having to take such high risks. I am not here selling a product called margin. Good luck.

 

The second richest man in the world is an investor. All he does is invest. Did he come from a rich family? 

 

Everything has risk. If you start a business or trade in margin, both have risk. In business I am sure all have read about what happended to the former Heshe boss. What is important is know what you are doing, how to do it and what is your backup plan. Tell you what you should do. Invest in margin but on the blue chips. If you have limited capital and without margin, you cannot make a mega profit. I say all you need is $30k with margin. Play it right and in 5 -7 years, you will be quite comfortable. I know of people who made it in just 2 years.

For me, when I believe in what I do and know how to analyse what I do, just do it. I am not saying don't listen to other's advise but at the end of the day, you analyse and make your decision.

People say don't trade. But I say don't buy and hold for 5 years. If you learn how to sell and buy back, your capital grows and your lots in your stocks grow as well.

 

  

cheongwee      ( Date: 13-Apr-2009 17:57) Posted: Come to think of it 10k is little, but to me way back 1980..it was alot...and i lost some 20k over in 1980 and again in OTC Malaysian stock in 1997. some 60k..it is painful..u cannot eat or sleep properly...after Dr M declared all my OTC stock illegal...i sold at hugh losses. I am not laughing at other, but really, in reality, i have yet to met a guy who got rich by speculating in stock...all my friend are rich because they own businesses...and honestly i make more from my hardware business than stock..over the years... This stock investement to me is somehow like drinking or smoking to some ppl...or buying toto or 4D..to other ppl.. I suggest u refrain from using margin..i think u only buy blues..and i sincerely regret that i call u to trade on margin...because u may lose big also...and i will be the cause of your losses.. Just buy blues , i believe there will be a lower low, but u can cost ave also...my recommendation...Semdmarine..Noble, Olam, SPH... No property for now, i believe properties will go lower next yrs.....good luck.

 

One need to know how to draw the line between investing and gambling..

Ask yourself whether this stock purchase is an investment or a punt... Set the parameter for yourself....

Go casino no need to pay brokerage commission.. 1 bet using creditline on 10k is the same... outcome on a rouette table.. straight 10k and walk away...

In stock need to pay the brokerage and countless hrs on TA and FA... if going to make only 10 or 20% why work so hard... Always look for things to buy at $1 and make $5 or more in a long run.. that is investing

 

"... This stock investement to me is somehow like drinking or smoking to some ppl...or buying toto or 4D..to other ppl..... "

It is perfectly OK if it is just like 4D and Toto...

But unfortunately it is not...
Because many lose their life savings, their future and even their families because they played too big!

Stocks is not 'main-main' (malay term)...