
With such a drop in DJ... mainly due to the stupid assasination of Bhutto, it caused worries and fear in the Macro environment. Pension, if this didn't happen, i reckon DJ will b in RED zone but not that serious. Is not abt how bad the subprime or credit issues... is the stablility and oil px tat investors r concern.
We ever see DJ in positive zones but STI went south and vice versa. We simply not God.
Haha.. Pension.. did u plan 4 tat assasination... heehee..

so us market closed red or black?
Pension you must be one of the member from the terrorist group who assasinate Bhutto..... Gonna call the police..... Jus kidding.
As I've said nothing is 100% in stock market. Well although US market was down last night but at least the consumer confidence index is better than expected which i feel is very important. US futures SHOULD BE optimistic for today. From 9am - 930am, you will see panic selling after which BBs and fund managers will stabilise the market IF US futures stay positive for the rest of the day. IF US futures stay negative then most likely BBs will just pack up and go home and let the market find its own direction.
Just my 2cents worth
NEW YORK, Dec 27 (Reuters) - U.S. stock index futures were pointing to a slightly higher open on Wall Street on Thursday, as investors awaited data that could shed more light on the health of the economy.
Monthly orders for durable goods will show how demand for big-ticket items has held up and act as a gauge of the strength of the broader economy.
Consumer confidence data, which is expected to drop in December, will also be key. Analysts have been concerned about the strength of consumer spending amid a housing slump and higher food and fuel prices.
"Economic data will shape the day. Durable goods is going to be important and of course consumer confidence, which they're expecting to drop to a two-year low," said Paul Mendelsohn, chief investment strategist at Windham Financial Services in Charlotte, Vermont.
S&P 500 futures SPc1 were up 0.20 points, but above fair value, a mathematical formula that evaluates pricing by taking into account interest rates, dividends and time to expiration on the contract. Dow Jones industrial average futures DJc1 fell 11 points. Nasdaq 100 NDc1 futures were up 4.75 points.
i am not negative nor holding on to any put position. if someone want to sell, someeone must be there to buy at a reasonable price or else the share will plunge like no tomorrow. have u heard of stablization. if you have not, mecrator is one of the counter under stablization now. imagine if there is no stablization for this counter, the share may plunge more than 30% of it IPO price.
US housing crisis reverberates around the globe
WASHINGTON (AFP) - - Few people knew at the start of 2007 the meaning of "subprime" real estate loans or how they might affect the US and global economies.
Today, worries are growing that the crisis that began with mortgage failures and spread to banks and brokerages may push the US economy into a downturn and put the entire global economy at risk.
Subprime loans flourished at the end of the US housing boom as lenders offered mortgages to people with shaky credit in an effort to cash in on surging prices.
These loans were packaged into securities that were sold to investors around the world, with little regard to what would happen when low "teaser" rates were reset to increase payments from homeowners.
When a wave of defaults began to hit, US and global banks began to see billions of dollars in losses on their balance sheets. The lenders had to tighten credit, crimping consumer and business spending and threatening the overall economy.
Goldman Sachs economist Jan Hatzius says his "back-of-the-envelope calculation" now suggests "losses of around 400 billion dollars" for global banks and investors.
Although this may not seem large in the overall economy, Hatzius says the effect is magnified because banks need to scale back their lending to keep capital ratios intact after accounting for the losses. As a result, he said lending could be cut by two trillion dollars.
"Even if this occurs gradually, and even if there are some offsets from reduced credit demand and increased lending by other sectors, the drag on economic activity could be substantial," said Hatzius in a note to clients.
Adding to the woes from housing are near-record energy prices and a weak dollar that could fuel inflation and hurt business confidence. Some say a recession is a possible scenario.
"The US is on the precipice of its first consumer recession since 1991, which was the last time the market suffered from a confluence of high energy prices, weakening employment conditions, real estate deflation and tightening credit," said David Rosenberg, Merrill Lynch's chief North American economist.
While debate is raging on whether the US economy will avert recession, another question is how much a US slowdown will affect the global economy.
Some experts say there has been a "decoupling," meaning the rest of the world is less dependent on the United States. But any slump in the US is still likely to have a global impact.
"We think 2008 will be the 'year of recoupling,'" says Peter Berezin, a Goldman Sachs global economist.
"The mortgage meltdown in the US has clearly affected global financial markets," he noted, adding that "the weakness in the US housing market is starting to raise concerns that the global housing market may suffer a similar fate."
Paul Sheard, economist at Lehman Brothers, is guarded, saying: "2008 is shaping up to be more challenging for the global economy than 2007 was. We expect growth to be lower."
The global economy will feel an impact of a US slowdown, even if the world's largest economy averts recession, Sheard said.
"If the US slows and other developed economies follow on, these economies will not be able to escape knock-on effects via the trade channel in particular but also via financial and confidence channels," Sheard said.
"We expect growth in Asia ex-Japan and in emerging markets to decelerate but given strong growth momentum, particularly in China and India, to maintain a healthy clip."
Economists are also debating whether the US Federal Reserve will be able to continue its interest-rate cutting drive amid signs that inflationary pressures are spiking.
Experts are warning of a slowdown even though the US economy expanded at a robust 4.9 percent pace in the third quarter of 2007.
A Merrill Lynch report calls for "modest growth to take hold late in 2008" in the United States but predicts that the Federal Reserve will need to cut interest rates to 2.0 percent from the current 4.25 percent by mid-2009 to sustain the recovery.
Merrill Lynch said the impact will be muted as other regions become less dependent on the US for their exports.
"Imbalances in the global economy, stemming from historic dependence on the US consumer, have peaked and will unwind throughout the coming year," the Merrill report said.
Merrill predicts oil prices could spike further to near 100 dollars a barrel before demand weakens and prices fall below 70 dollars by the final quarter of the year.
It also expects the dollar to fall further against the euro and yen before starting to recover against major currencies but that "more heavily managed currencies, such as those in Asia, Middle East and Russia, will continue to appreciate."
In a more upbeat outlook, Societe Generale global economist Brian Hilliard in London says the worst may be over for the US and global economies, even if the hit from housing and credit was bigger than initially expected.
"We remain more optimistic about the ability of the world economy to withstand the shock from this liquidity event," he said.
"Our forecast for US growth of 2.6 percent in 2008 is higher than consensus. The Fed has signaled that is less keen to make further rate cuts because the real economy looks in relatively good shape, but it is flexible."
Yo Pension,
No one is questioning your opinion on the market, they just giving 2 sides of the coins. No one is ever right or wrong, just a matter of how many times of each.
What we would like the rest to know is that Dow futures though may be up or down only reflects the opening sentiment and the rest is followed by either news or data throughout the day. It is true however that we in SG then to follow the US future towards closing as we use it a gauge.
Morning wise its a totally different story as we wouldnt know how US would close.
Also settlement though is by right T + 3 , most are given T + 5 for trading. Forced selling means client cannot afford to pay after T+5 and the firm will sell for them regardless of price. D3 margin calls means the firm will sell margined stocks off to mantain a % of collateral in the margin account. Meaning we should use T + 5 instead of + 3. But then again each stocks have its individual characteristic so ......
Anyways we're all here to share and its always good to know more and exchange more ideas rather than be 1 sided ; )
Cheers all !
Dear Pension,
Why so negative - and all of sudden? You reply to almost every thread today and suggest that everyone should sell their shares. Are you holding puts on the STI or have shorted too many stocks?
just look at the graph for subprime fear index, any sign of uptrend????Behind Wall Street's subprime fear indexThe formerly obscure ABX index has become a closely watched gauge of just how bad the market for subprime securities is getting.By Grace Wong, CNNMoney.com staff writer
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The ABX, launched in January 2007, serves as a benchmark of the market for securities backed by home loans issued to borrowers with weak credit.
"Creating visibility and transparency was a goal of the index, but not everyone knew it would be so closely followed," said Ben Logan, a managing director at Markit Group, a London-based company that specializes in credit derivative pricing and administers the index.
Underlying the mortgage mess has been the fact that "no one knows what subprime securities are really worth," said Barry Ritholtz, director of equity research for New York-based FusionIQ, a quantitative research and asset management firm.
usa future at this point of time.
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I am not challenging you on your opinion. I just feel that nothing is 100% in this stock market. One good example will be on the day of the FED most recent meeting. US futures are all positive if I remember correctly. If only be looking at US futures would you expect US market to close -200plus that day? Few will have anticipated that, maybe you did I'm not sure.
BBs and fund managers control the whole market because they have the capital to determine how they want a counter to move. All retail investors are just one of their tools to help them earn money because retail investors depend too much on US futures.
Banks face financial turmoil despite abundant global liquidity

PARIS (AFP) - - The international banking sector is grappling with a grave financial crisis at a time when, paradoxically, there is an abundance of ready cash available, notably from emerging market countries.
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Big banks since August have slashed the amount of credit they are prepared to offer each other, anxious to avoid lending money to any institution that could be liable to huge losses because of exposure to the crisis in the US housing market.
The subprime, or high-risk, sector of the US market has been hit with a wave of foreclosures by homeowners unable to meet higher mortgage payments.
That in turn has undermined the value of billions of dollars' worth of securities backed by subprime mortgages and issued by major banks and finance institutions.
But according to Jean-Francois Robin of the French bank Natixis, "it's not that there is a lack of liquidity (in the global financial system), it's that it is not circulating."
If the inter-bank market has seized up, there are in fact funds available.
"The world's money supply is growing at a red-hot pace -- 10 to 15 percent a year," said Jean-Herve Lorenzi of the French research group Cercle des Economistes.
Foreign exchange reserves held by emerging market powerhouses such as China and other big commodity exporters -- Russia and members of the OPEC oil cartel, for example -- are steadily expanding.
In such countries, along with Japan and Norway, sovereign wealth funds have been created to find fruitful investment outlets for the reserves that have built up over the years.
The funds, which are said to total more than 2.8 trillion dollars, have lately come to the rescue of some of the biggest names in global finance.
The US investment bank Merrill Lynch is to be re-capitalised thanks to a 5.0-billion-dollar injection by the Singapore state investment fund Temasek.
Morgan Stanley has been reinvigorated by the participation of the China Investment Corporation, also in the amount of 5.0 billion dollars, while another US behemoth, Citigroup, has received a 7.5-billion-dollar lifeline from the Abu Dhabi sovereign fund.
Swiss banking giant UBS, which has been especially hard hit by the subprime meltdown, raised 11 billion dollars from another Singapore fund.
But sovereign funds are not the only entities sitting on piles of cash.
US billionaire investor Warren Buffett announced Tuesday he was buying a 60 percent stake in Marmon Holdings Incorporated, an industrial group owned by one of America's richest families, for 4.5 billion dollars.
Buffett's investment firm, Berkshire Hathaway Incorporated, will acquire the remaining 40 percent of Marmon over five to six years at a price to be based on the group's future performance, the two sides said.
Marmon, which has been owned by Chicago's Pritzker family since 1953, is a manufacturing and services group with more than 125 units and whose products range from railroad tank cars to electrical wires and cables.
In addition, said Robin of Natixis, "there's lots more liquidity" held by insurers and pension funds, which manage savings worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
"They have taken their capital out of risky assets," such as stocks and bonds linked to real estate, he said.
"And they have lots of money to invest in the coming months, which should help the markets get back on their feet."
bbs, investors, fund managers rely very much on us future dow sp and nas. among the 3 futures, dow is the most influential. everybody know that. STI oso response to future movement. once the future start to dip, u can see sti start to dip. let see dow closed positive or negative tonight. I bet negative based on some information I read today.
Dow futures -17 is not a big deal..... And btw if you do read articles from the cnn website, they always mention about S&P and Nasdaq futures positive so US market is poise to open higher. Therefore I feel S&P and Nasdaq futures plays a bigger part than Dow futures.
And btw whether US futures is positive or negative, that only determines how US market will open. It will not determine how US market will close at the end of their trading day.
If there is bad news and futures is red, high chance US market will close negative. For today, as of now no broadcast of any bad news yet while Nasdaq futures is positive, US market might open negative but might not end negative.
When did most of the counters drop today? Contra players are too dependent of US futures and they dun have the money to hold, when they see futures in the red, they panic. Thinking that US market might drop tonight so they sell.
Just my 2cents worth