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yipyip
    19-Feb-2010 16:17  
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x0 lots is not a small amt... better loss less now then lost big .........  : (



matrixneo      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 16:08) Posted:

can share your rationale since you only lose about 2.5%?

yipyip      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:52) Posted:



 

just sold @ 0.930 *%^&#..... ( yesterday go in too fast @ 0.955 ).. sheeet.... i will be back @ 0.88.....


 
 
matrixneo
    19-Feb-2010 16:17  
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my style is if i entered at $1 and my risk tolerance is say 15% for this stock, i would cut loss at 0.85....however, if it rides to 1.20 with same risk tolerance, i would cut loss at $1.20 - 15%.  Is that advisable or reading the graph is still essential to 'predict' the next movement?
 
 
iPunter
    19-Feb-2010 16:11  
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Get in and out only when you have bought at sensible points, eg at a major support...

After getting in at a major support, get out only if it breaks down below that support.

But if you are making money after entering at a major support, leave it there, stay put, dont jump in and  out..

In other words, let your profits run to a significant amount, then get out at or before a major resistance point.

And always remember this:- as Mr Sutherland said,

"leave some for the nest man"...  Smiley
 

 
matrixneo
    19-Feb-2010 16:08  
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can share your rationale since you only lose about 2.5%?

yipyip      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:52) Posted:



 

just sold @ 0.930 *%^&#..... ( yesterday go in too fast @ 0.955 ).. sheeet.... i will be back @ 0.88.....

 
 
tradersgx
    19-Feb-2010 16:07  
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16:04:15

 

0.930

 

516,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:14

 

0.930

 

30,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:12

 

0.930

 

1,130,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:11

 

0.930

 

1,300,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:10

 

0.930

 

500,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:08

 

0.930

 

200,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:08

 

0.930

 

150,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:07

 

0.930

 

200,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:06

 

0.930

 

40,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:04

 

0.930

 

64,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:04

 

0.930

 

30,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:03

 

0.930

 

8,000

 

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16:04:02

 

0.930

 

500,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:04:00

 

0.930

 

72,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:03:59

 

0.930

 

248,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:03:58

 

0.930

 

10,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:03:56

 

0.930

 

64,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:03:55

 

0.930

 

300,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:03:54

 

0.930

 

95,000

 

Sell Down

 

16:03:53

 

0.930

 

3,000,000

 

Sell Down

 

 
 
daphnecsf
    19-Feb-2010 16:05  
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I oso kena...bought 0.975... Just cut 0.935... Too many TP say overvalue... :(
 

 
yipyip
    19-Feb-2010 15:52  
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just sold @ 0.930 *%^&#..... ( yesterday go in too fast @ 0.955 ).. sheeet.... i will be back @ 0.88.....
 
 
niuyear
    19-Feb-2010 15:49  
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I happend to chance on this article.  AFter reading this, i am still bias over Las vegas sand's gaming rules which is fairer cos 90 something percent  profit is pay back to players.   I will frequent the LVS @ Marina bay, if they have same gambing rule applied as in LV in states.

 

Sunday, November 4, 2007

An Eventual Gambling Problem : Insights from Genting

I read the Time Magazine article “Asia Growing Gambling Addiction” [1] with a heavy heart. I find Casino seriously distasteful because it is mere exploitation of the irrational, the superstitious and usually, the uneducated. This might be considered racist, but when it comes to gambling, the average Asian cannot count. Don’t think. And frankly, stupid.

If you have been to Genting, you know what I mean. Genting casinos games have the tables with one of the the worst odds in the world. Just take the “Pontoon” tables for example.

First, Genting does not have Blackjack tables, which is the only beatable game in Casinos through card counting (which is possible if the dealing is not done through a continuous shuffle system). In its place in Genting is called “Pontoon”. This is basically blackjack without the 10s in UK. If you understand blackjack, the more 10s and Aces in the deck, the higher the odds for the player. Pontoon is also the game that the Royal Statistical Society concluded can’t be beaten. If you have access to JSTOR, you might look at an article on this. [2]

The beauty about this is that in Genting, their variant of Pontoon is actually not the unbeatable English Pontoon above. It is worse than that. It is actually a variant of the American game Spanish 21. By calling it Pontoon confuses people, and the Genting dealers will describe the rules as “similar to blackjack.” However, Genting does not even use standard Spanish 21 rules. It only allows doubles on two hands. This is significant for two reasons. To apply a successful basic strategy in Spanish 21 games, one must double and double often, and on many cards. Without card counting (impossible under a continous shuffle system), you can reduce the house edge to about 2.08% which means you will lose less in the long run. But because 99.9 % of the gamblers in Genting (mostly Singaporeans) are still under the impression this is Blackjack or UK Pontoon, they refuse to double save on 8-9-10s, which means they are seriously in trouble – which gives them worse odds than random play.

Already lost? Yes. Most gamblers don't even bother knowing the rules of the game.

According to Edward Thorpe (who I really respect, not only because of his mathematical ability in the casino, but also in the stock market [3]) if you play without any strategy in Pontoon, the house has nearly a 30% edge (if I don’t remember wrongly). This means that if you Randomly play a 100RM a hand (which is the minimum bet sum for Pontoon in Genting) for 100 hands (one hour) you will lose about 3000 RM. And if you are "lucky", you will lose about 1000 RM. If you are unlucky, about 10000 RM.

And these “Pontoon” tables in Genting are so popular that on weekends due to the Singaporean crowd, you can forget about finding a seat, with Singaporeans clamoring to lose their money. So when Genting won the bid for the IR in Sentosa, I was pissed. If Singaporeans clamour to lose 3000 RM per hour in Genting, they will pay the entrance fee and lose more, this time in SGD. Maybe that is why Genting won the bid. They sure can lure those with money to burn. Who knows?

This is seriously an Asian problem, not an Asia one. If you go to casinos in British Columbia, Canada, you will see Chinese, Chinese, Chinese. I hope this is not taken to be racist, but the Chinese seemed more predisposed to getting addicted to gambling. Same thing for The Crown, Australia, which is supposed to be the largest Casino in the Southern Hemisphere. Same thing for Star City, Syndey. One seems to find unusually a large percentage of Chinese. Perhaps the locals prefer betting on sports than on cards, but I won’t know. I see Chinese.

So I really hope that Singapore apart from those psychological and family-centric help efforts – they must ensure that house edges are displayed at every table. Currently, I think only odds and payout might be provided. Actually odds as these people understand will be provided in any case because it is part of the rules of Gambling (Casino pays 3 to 2 on Blackjack is “odds” to the layman). This helps no one except the casinos. Gamblers will ask in any case. I hope I am not seen to be dissing the psychological and family-centric help thing here. Look, all those things are great, but - for cigarettes - you do put the warning labels right? And in this case, because the risk is mathematically quantifiable, that should be provided. Not everyone should end up in the addiction clinic. That might be too late. Information as any economists will tell you, will help a lot in making rational choices - or at least make irrational choices in the least irrational way.

So we should put house edges (Display "House has edge of 15 percent even if you use optimum strategy" - aka "everyone at this table is a rich fool").

But Gamblers tend to blow their fortune tables with a relatively low house edge too ( they think they can beat the house - aka at about the very high 5 percent house edge) because that is when it gets really addictive. When a player gets punished too much, the non-pathological tends to quit. So it is not enough to display the House Edge alone.

Another thing the state can do is to follow British Columbia Casinos where they provide basic strategy tables for games like Blackjack where if you just follow blindly, the house edge will significantly reduce – about 3 percent. Otherwise, all these family-centric and psychological help is useless to aid the "My-Mind-Can-Change-Card-Outcome" or "I-just-have-to-pray-harder" variety. Gamblers are traditionally masochistic. They have traditionally embraced relatively better odds games but make their odds worse by playing lousily. The classic example is Blackjack and more recently, Caribbean stud poker (which already has bad odds in the first place) comes to mind. Where the odds are about even, they tend to choose side bets with terrible odds.

Personally, I think gambling against the odds not wicked or immoral per se. And I won’t really call Gambling a disease per se. After all, it is beneficial when it can be beaten. Won't think that a disease in that case, will you?

But my point here is that the average Singaporeans who is addicted to bad odds in Genting already, is seriously quite screwed when the IR arrives. Someone should really tell them the house edge, the odds, and if he still chooses to play, the optimum strategy. And if he still does not follow that, nothing will save him.

 
 
yummygd
    19-Feb-2010 15:46  
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the bond holders almost finish selling liao or not?? still have how many to go...sigh. anyway house always win always win.
 
 
niuyear
    19-Feb-2010 15:41  
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 US is so big and it has thousands of stocks in their exchange whereas singapore has only few hundred stocks.  Cant compare like that.

Also, citigroup is a bank stock, genting is a gambling stock. (in my view, it is)



ianong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:27) Posted:

Only Genting SP's trading volumn can fight with Citigroup (on a quieter session) on NYSE. Citigroup's volumn usually between 400 to 800 million shares.

 

 
nickyng
    19-Feb-2010 15:39  
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haha....up or dn i oso excited wan lah.... :P

matrixneo      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:38) Posted:

haha....ambiguous leh...yr excitement is up or down? 

nickyng      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:36) Posted:

dont get surprise this Mon hor ! :P expect the unexpected..hee...that is the excitement ! :P


 
 
matrixneo
    19-Feb-2010 15:38  
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haha....ambiguous leh...yr excitement is up or down? 

nickyng      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:36) Posted:

dont get surprise this Mon hor ! :P expect the unexpected..hee...that is the excitement ! :P

ianong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:16) Posted:

Dow has been up for 3 days, Futures at -91 points now. Dow likely to go down tonight due to Fed's decision to hike rate. Buy on Monday better, maybe can get 85cents


 
 
nickyng
    19-Feb-2010 15:36  
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dont get surprise this Mon hor ! :P expect the unexpected..hee...that is the excitement ! :P

ianong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 15:16) Posted:

Dow has been up for 3 days, Futures at -91 points now. Dow likely to go down tonight due to Fed's decision to hike rate. Buy on Monday better, maybe can get 85cents.

sgxinvestor      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 13:53) Posted:



Genting is in downtrend now, for those interest to buy shd wait until it rebound from EMA300 or 88-90cents, or cut loss now and re enter at a better price..

Don't fight the market trends, instead be friend with them..


 
 
nickyng
    19-Feb-2010 15:28  
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err...wat i can advise is ...if u CANT stand the HEAT...then..gotta h** OUT of the "KITCHEN" loh ! :P

ianong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 13:27) Posted:

So unfair indeed. Shld allow sporean who want to look see look see (just enjoying the feeling) to enter free. Only those who want to play then pay $100. Gov keep saying sporean got more privilege over foreigners, not in this case.



derekchong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 11:49) Posted:



foreign workers can go in and look see look see

singaporean $100. where got logic.

 


 
 
ianong
    19-Feb-2010 15:27  
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Only Genting SP's trading volumn can fight with Citigroup (on a quieter session) on NYSE. Citigroup's volumn usually between 400 to 800 million shares.
 

 
niuyear
    19-Feb-2010 15:21  
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My foreigner's friend sms and greeted me happy CNY also 'suan' me that 'have you paid $100 to your government? '  Damn joker!  :(

 
 
 
ianong
    19-Feb-2010 15:16  
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Dow has been up for 3 days, Futures at -91 points now. Dow likely to go down tonight due to Fed's decision to hike rate. Buy on Monday better, maybe can get 85cents.

sgxinvestor      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 13:53) Posted:



Genting is in downtrend now, for those interest to buy shd wait until it rebound from EMA300 or 88-90cents, or cut loss now and re enter at a better price..

Don't fight the market trends, instead be friend with them..

 
 
pharoah88
    19-Feb-2010 15:11  
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This is so that Singaporean will spend S$100 on 4D or TOTO first.

When Singaporean wins 4D or TOTO, there is more money to go to the Casino.

Only Winner of 4D or TOTO will go to the Casino.



ianong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 13:27) Posted:

So unfair indeed. Shld allow sporean who want to look see look see (just enjoying the feeling) to enter free. Only those who want to play then pay $100. Gov keep saying sporean got more privilege over foreigners, not in this case.



derekchong      ( Date: 19-Feb-2010 11:49) Posted:



foreign workers can go in and look see look see

singaporean $100. where got logic.

 


 
 
tradersgx
    19-Feb-2010 14:27  
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Genting S'pore

95 cents | Reduce

05:55 AM Feb 19, 2010


Tumbles to lowest level since Sept '09 as hype for Sentosa IR gives way to
worries over whether profits will live up to expectation.

Nomura maintains Reduce rating and 77-cent price target.

Says sentiment could turn increasingly negative once initial crowds ebb;
believes potential size of Singapore casino market is overstated.

http://www.todayonline.com/Business/Stockcalls/EDC100219-0000082/Genting-Spore

 
 
 
win_88
    19-Feb-2010 14:12  
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genting climbing up sia..
 
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