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A mega company like this but price is driven up purely through hype surrounding a single unrealized contract. Sad to say I fell for it too. But I was convinced the fundamentals are there and hope I am still right.
dingbat ( Date: 06-Aug-2013 10:39) Posted:
So it all hinges on the the myanmar results. Wot a joke, 1-2 mths ago, it was a highly regarded stock with every investment pub shouting buy, now it's not worth the paper you line the trash cans with. tsk... |
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So it all hinges on the the myanmar results. Wot a joke, 1-2 mths ago, it was a highly regarded stock with every investment pub shouting buy, now it's not worth the paper you line the trash cans with. tsk...
Yongnam - Weaker outlook as margins remain muted
and order book shrinks downgrade to FULLY VALUED,
TP S$0.28
Yongnam’s 2Q13 results were below expectations on weak
margins. Delay in Yangon Airport tender results weakens
stock catalyst. Weaker outlook as margins remain muted and
order book shrinks. We have cut FY13F/FY14F earnings by
44%/25%. Downgrade to FULLY VALUED, TP S$0.28 (Prev S$
0.41).
Source DBS
Citibank has downgraded Yongnam from Buy to Sell, and cut its target price from $0.32 to $0.28.
2Q13 results slightly below street expectations Earnings dropped 28.6% y/y to $8.6m despite revenue climbing 47.5% to $115.1m, as a result of a $5.1m provision for its exposure to Alpine Bau GmbH, the main contractor for MRT Downtown Line 2 that became insolvent in the quarter.CIMB downgraded the counter to UNDERPERFORM with TP of $0.28
 
Drop so much wat bad news
First it dropped. Now it's nose-diving! Truly spectacular.
Damn! This is getting exciting! :-)
The news report that myammar gov going to decided award the contract to who this week. Not sure whether they will do it tomorrow or postpone to next week.
Guess have to wait.
wiseguy1269 ( Date: 02-Aug-2013 15:37) Posted:
I totally disagree with Ms Rosesyrup, of course.   And I hope here we are able to agree to disagree.  
The only reason why Yongnam is sleeping now is because strong hands dictate the direction, and not that it is not a lousy counter.  
The below still holds true.  MONDAY, 03 JUNE 2013 10:25 | DBS upgrades Yongnam Holdings (Y02.SG) to Buy from Hold as it believes Yongnam's consortium is a strong contender for Myanmar's airport projects.
" We think Yongnam's consortium stands a good chance of securing the projects given its Singapore and Japan representation. JGC corporation is Japan-based while Yongnam and Changi Airport Group are Singapore-based, all of which are viewed favourably by the Myanmar government." A win on the Yangon airport project could boost the share price by $0.12, it says. DBS estimates that the construction of the Yangon Airport project could add $10.4 million or $0.06 per share to FY14 forecast earnings.
" Thereafter, the rights to operate the airport for the next 30 years would add another S$0.06 to the stock based on discounted cashflow projection," it says " Yongnam's current valuations are only in line with peers, and not reflecting Yongnam as a strong contender for project wins in Myanmar. We are convinced Yongnam stands a good winning chance and thus believe +1 (standard deviation) valuation is achievable." The house has an upwardly revised $0.41 target on the stock. |
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I totally disagree with Ms Rosesyrup, of course.   And I hope here we are able to agree to disagree.  
The only reason why Yongnam is sleeping now is because strong hands dictate the direction, and not that it is not a lousy counter.  
The below still holds true. 
MONDAY, 03 JUNE 2013 10:25 |
DBS upgrades Yongnam Holdings (Y02.SG) to Buy from Hold as it believes Yongnam's consortium is a strong contender for Myanmar's airport projects.
" We think Yongnam's consortium stands a good chance of securing the projects given its Singapore and Japan representation. JGC corporation is Japan-based while Yongnam and Changi Airport Group are Singapore-based, all of which are viewed favourably by the Myanmar government." A win on the Yangon airport project could boost the share price by $0.12, it says. DBS estimates that the construction of the Yangon Airport project could add $10.4 million or $0.06 per share to FY14 forecast earnings.
" Thereafter, the rights to operate the airport for the next 30 years would add another S$0.06 to the stock based on discounted cashflow projection," it says " Yongnam's current valuations are only in line with peers, and not reflecting Yongnam as a strong contender for project wins in Myanmar. We are convinced Yongnam stands a good winning chance and thus believe +1 (standard deviation) valuation is achievable." The house has an upwardly revised $0.41 target on the stock. |
 
Sorry, typo in the following sentence:
" Just to add on,
even the bidding result is out, 28.5 cents present a good entry point."
It should be:
" Just to add on, 
before* the bidding result is out, 28.5 cents present a good entry point."
Rosesyrup ( Date: 01-Aug-2013 20:50) Posted:
Lets solve this part by part:
1)" Your analysis sound very pessimistic on Myanmar. Anyway,i beg to defer from you."
Nope, I am not pessimistic about Myanmar.  I simply warned that Myanmar remains a country with high investment risk and I guess not many people would disagree with this statement. Good to have your own point of view though, and don't let my " pessimism" interrupt your decision to invest in Myanmar.
1) " Myanmar is going forward with reforms as you can read in the news of huge FDI is pouring into  Myanmar and the country is opening  up. They may have hiccups here and there but  it is  very difficult to reverse to the old military regime"
The above sentences describe the current status in Myanmar, not the future. In constrast, the purpose of analysis is to predict the future. This is the difference between news reporter and analyst. If you need verfication for the threats I warned of, you can do a quick Googling. There shouldn't be a lack of articles on this topic. The impact of these potential threats, should it happened,  WOULD NOT be very difficult to reverse Myanmar to its old military regime.
3) " As  for Yongnam bidding for  the Yangon Airport... the result of who will be awarded the contract will be out this week (As per reported) IMO, Yongnam main contender will be the S.Korean consortium."
As I have mentioned above:  " Myanmar remains a country with high investment risk ." This greatly lower the expected  (not actual) profit of Yongnam even if it wins the contract. Future profit (value) affect current share price (Present Value). Thus my conclusion: TP of $0.34 even if it win the contract. If it loses the contract, it will go down to test 30cents.
Just to add on, even the bidding result is out, 28.5 cents present a good entry point.  Yes, I am very pessimistic about Yongnam.
Atom99 ( Date: 01-Aug-2013 18:45) Posted:
 
Rosesyrup,
Your analysis sound very pessimistic on Myanmar. Anyway,i beg to defer from you. IMO, Myanmar is going forward with reforms as you can read in the news of huge FDI is pouring into  Myanmar and the country is opening  up. They may have hiccups here and there but  it is  very difficult to reverse to the old military regime.   
As  for Yongnam bidding for  the Yangon Airport... the result of who will be awarded the contract will be out this week (As per reported) IMO, Yongnam main contender will be the S.Korean consortium.  |
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Lets solve this part by part:
1)"
Your analysis sound very pessimistic on Myanmar. Anyway,i beg to defer from you."
Nope, I am not pessimistic about Myanmar.  I simply warned that
Myanmar remains a country with high investment risk and I guess not many people would disagree with this statement. Good to have your own point of view though, and don't let my " pessimism" interrupt your decision to invest in Myanmar.
1) "
Myanmar is going forward with reforms as you can read in the news of huge FDI is pouring into  Myanmar and the country is opening  up. They may have hiccups here and there but  it is  very difficult to reverse to the old military regime"
The above sentences describe the current status in Myanmar, not the future. In constrast, the purpose of analysis is to predict the future. This is the difference between news reporter and analyst. If you need verfication for the threats I warned of, you can do a quick Googling. There shouldn't be a lack of articles on this topic. The impact of these potential threats, should it happened,  WOULD NOT be very difficult to reverse Myanmar to its old military regime.
3) "
As  for Yongnam bidding for  the Yangon Airport... the result of who will be awarded the contract will be out this week (As per reported) IMO, Yongnam main contender will be the S.Korean consortium."
As I have mentioned above:  "
Myanmar remains a country with high investment risk ." This greatly lower the expected  (not actual) profit of Yongnam even if it wins the contract. Future profit (value) affect current share price (Present Value). Thus my conclusion: TP of $0.34 even if it win the contract. If it loses the contract, it will go down to test 30cents.
Just to add on, even the bidding result is out, 28.5 cents present a good entry point.  Yes, I am very pessimistic about Yongnam.
Atom99 ( Date: 01-Aug-2013 18:45) Posted:
 
Rosesyrup,
Your analysis sound very pessimistic on Myanmar. Anyway,i beg to defer from you. IMO, Myanmar is going forward with reforms as you can read in the news of huge FDI is pouring into  Myanmar and the country is opening  up. They may have hiccups here and there but  it is  very difficult to reverse to the old military regime.   
As  for Yongnam bidding for  the Yangon Airport... the result of who will be awarded the contract will be out this week (As per reported) IMO, Yongnam main contender will be the S.Korean consortium. 
Rosesyrup ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 20:13) Posted:
I am just a Finance Student from one of the local uni. I have no relevant working experience in the finance industry.
Thus it is important for you to get your own opinion in making any decision. |
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Rosesyrup,
Your analysis sound very pessimistic on Myanmar. Anyway,i beg to defer from you. IMO, Myanmar is going forward with reforms as you can read in the news of huge FDI is pouring into  Myanmar and the country is opening  up. They may have hiccups here and there but  it is  very difficult to reverse to the old military regime.   
As  for Yongnam bidding for  the Yangon Airport... the result of who will be awarded the contract will be out this week (As per reported) IMO, Yongnam main contender will be the S.Korean consortium. 
Rosesyrup ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 20:13) Posted:
I am just a Finance Student from one of the local uni. I have no relevant working experience in the finance industry.
Thus it is important for you to get your own opinion in making any decision.
Topspin70 ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 17:15) Posted:
Looks like your analysis proving to be true, Rosesyrup.   |
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how high will the dead cat 'YN' bounced back (7 lives)??
donperry ( Date: 01-Aug-2013 15:50) Posted:
looks good at 31.5 maybe yn will do a dead cat bounce???!!! |
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looks good at 31.5 maybe yn will do a dead cat bounce???!!!
anyone has the results or news!
fooodball ( Date: 01-Aug-2013 15:42) Posted:
results should be out by the end of July! |
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results should be out by the end of July!
Really appreciate your comments on my postings. But unfortunately, it appeared that there  are some misunderstandings between us, and I need to clear it up. Here we go:
1)
If you think you're not qualified
NoNo, I am just as qualified as anyone on the street to give financial advice. Under MAS ruling, no license is required for giving plain finanacial advice, unless  the advisor is  trying to sell  some financial product- that is a little side tracking. Although everyone is qualified, no one can guranteed that  the analysis represent the full and perfect picture of the reality. Therefore it is only fair that I warn the readers of possible area that I might have overlooked- in this case referring to my lack of working experience. A good example would the case where I messed up my intrepretation of Cost of debt and Cost of equity, and was kindly corrected by one of the forum user. To verify this, you can check my posting history.
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I make my own judgement but there are others reading your post who may not.
YupYup, I am fully awared of that. The sentence "
Thus it is important for you to get your own opinion in making any decision" is purely my disclaimers just like those font 10 sentences  you find under every analyst reports. The only difference being my disclaimer is a one sentence and much more simple. My disclaimer is intended for every reader of my comments, not specifically made aganist any one person.
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then don't share it
Since no  single soul can gurantee to give  a full and perfect analysis, it is then important for small investors like us to share our views in the hope of getting a better picture of the reality. For the sake of getting a better view and making  better decision, I will not stop the sharing, neither should you.  
Hope this clear things up a little. Peace dude.
Cheers.
Topspin70 ( Date: 01-Aug-2013 09:47) Posted:
I'm just commenting on your post. This is a forum. Members share POVs and discuss each other's POVs. If you think you're not qualified and might mislead people then don't share it. I make my own judgement but there are others reading your post who may not. 
Rosesyrup ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 20:13) Posted:
I am just a Finance Student from one of the local uni. I have no relevant working experience in the finance industry.
Thus it is important for you to get your own opinion in making any decision. |
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I'm just commenting on your post. This is a forum. Members share POVs and discuss each other's POVs. If you think you're not qualified and might mislead people then don't share it. I make my own judgement but there are others reading your post who may not. 
Rosesyrup ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 20:13) Posted:
I am just a Finance Student from one of the local uni. I have no relevant working experience in the finance industry.
Thus it is important for you to get your own opinion in making any decision.
Topspin70 ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 17:15) Posted:
Looks like your analysis proving to be true, Rosesyrup.   |
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I am just a Finance Student from one of the local uni.
I have no relevant working experience in the finance industry.
Thus it is important for you to get your own opinion in making any decision.Topspin70 ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 17:15) Posted:
Looks like your analysis proving to be true, Rosesyrup.  
Rosesyrup ( Date: 18-Jul-2013 18:26) Posted:
It Is Almost A Dead End Anyway
Possibility 1==> > Never Win
Share price straight away go down to test $0.30. Might stuck there for another few years due to:
1) Singapore property market cooling down
2)SG Gov revamping construction industry to improve efficient ==> > A tough and costly process that is going to cause a number of construction firms to fail
3) A lack of development opportunity in SE-Asia in the short run (1-2 years), as fund flow back to developed countries in seek of temporily better risk-return ratio. Less supply of fund=> higher interest rate=> projects become more expensive and thus less often.
Possibility 2 ==> > Win
Risky deal as Myanmar's quest for Democracy is a going to be a very rocky one. 2 signifcant risk factors that could jeopardies Myanmar's determination:
In the short run (1-2years), the exit of fund from Asia is going to cause some diruptions in the Asia's economies and might lead to more serious threats- depreciation of asia currencies, flight of captial. Simply put, 1997 Aisa currency crisis might repeat itself. To fend off the potential currency attack, developing nations like Indonesia and Phillipine have been working hard to input measures ever since the start of first Fed's QE. However this is not true for Myanmar, which has been recieving much attentions and FDI in the recent years. Thus Myanmar, in my opinion has high risk of suffering economic failure in the event of fund flowing out from Asia. The resulting economy hardship would damage Myanmar's determination toward democracy.
In the longer run (3 years and above), there is still a risk that democracy might be stopped due to politcal pressures from the local rich and powerful groups. Myanmar has been too quick in opening up its economy and trade. Economic theories told us that trade lead to reallocation of resources(wealth) and power among different group in the country- in this case, wealth flow from rich to the poor. With this, we can foresee the richs in Myanmar will quickly lose their interest. Meanwhile the interest-group theory forecast that the few rich people in the country will benefit at the expense of the many poor in the country. Thus this give rise to the risk that the riches might pressure the government to give up democracy and the riches will most like get their way. Do remember that true power still lie with the military at this point in time.
The above mentioned 2 risks would threaten Myanmar's quest for democarcy and Yongnam project. Should the country gave up and return to its previous state, Yongnam's property in the country would most probably be nationalised or fail to recieve payment for the project.
Due to these reasons, I deemed Yongnam's prospects as bleak and divested it a couple of days ago. Just sharing my view here, email me rosesyrup123@yahoo.com if you have something to share with me. Thanks.
 
Author: Rosesyrup
 
 
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