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come drop somemore so can buy at cheaper price. 1.17 or 1.13 even better.
Sorry to barge into this 'debate'...
Each person has his/her own favourite theory, method or 'fetish', if you like.
As long as the person is happy with it, it is a good thing for him/her.
Because even if the person loses a lot of money eventually,
it will still make him/her happy... lol...
ragmop15 ( Date: 10-Aug-2012 10:03) Posted:
those who shorted this counter must be laughing to the bank. any explanation why you still think otherwise using your k theory? or is this a mistake in your analysis or maybe a different timeframe? please share. thanks.
stockmarketmind ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 13:07) Posted:
| Why so?? I have a different opinion from you.
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those who shorted this counter must be laughing to the bank. any explanation why you still think otherwise using your k theory? or is this a mistake in your analysis or maybe a different timeframe? please share. thanks.
stockmarketmind ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 13:07) Posted:
Why so?? I have a different opinion from you.
TradeChancellor ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 12:21) Posted:
| this is a good counter to short... if STI downtrends, NOL is one of the best candidate for shorting... |
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Sifu, you are right to think of stock movements as supply and demand driven.
There is no question about that. But the point is
what gives rise to the 'supply' and 'demand' in stocks?
More often than not the so-called supply and demand are not based on real supply and demand as such.
Rather, it is based on people's fleeting notions and beliefs which are often irrational to say the least...
star-trader ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 21:03) Posted:
For me, when you view a stock like betting is as good as placing a bet on the casino 50% 50% chance playing roulette (black/red). If stocks are all about betting, then you come to the wrong forum, you should be at other betting websites though.. :)
In stocks, it is like demand and supply..
Example:
When majority of investors observe the same pattern of a stock that will go downtrend/uptrend and you are part of it, you will definitely gain by of course it is through technical analysis again. And.. is not just 1 parameter that will influence the decision to buy/sell as there are many other elements involved in trading a stock(other factors as well). Therefore why there are parameters like indicators,candlesticks,signals, etc etc..(I can't tell you here in just 1 post forum) for people to make a move , there is definitely a reason behind this..
Star-Trader
iPunter ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 20:13) Posted:
The beauty of the stock market lies in the diversity of views and theories.
But it is most useful for stock newbies if they will always bear in mind that no matter
what theories are propounded, in stocks, all is betting. Armed with this knowledge
alone, they will not be shocked with pants down when they lose big money.
Relying on favourute theories is most dangerous. In other words, in stocks,
if bets big one can win big OR lose big...
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For me, when you view a stock like betting is as good as placing a bet on the casino 50% 50% chance playing roulette (black/red). If stocks are all about betting, then you come to the wrong forum, you should be at other betting websites though.. :)
In stocks, it is like demand and supply..
Example:
When majority of investors observe the same pattern of a stock that will go downtrend/uptrend and you are part of it, you will definitely gain by of course it is through technical analysis again. And.. is not just 1 parameter that will influence the decision to buy/sell as there are many other elements involved in trading a stock(other factors as well). Therefore why there are parameters like indicators,candlesticks,signals, etc etc..(I can't tell you here in just 1 post forum) for people to make a move , there is definitely a reason behind this..
Star-Trader
iPunter ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 20:13) Posted:
The beauty of the stock market lies in the diversity of views and theories.
But it is most useful for stock newbies if they will always bear in mind that no matter
what theories are propounded, in stocks, all is betting. Armed with this knowledge
alone, they will not be shocked with pants down when they lose big money.
Relying on favourute theories is most dangerous. In other words, in stocks,
if bets big one can win big OR lose big...
stockmarketmind ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 13:07) Posted:
| Why so?? I have a different opinion from you.
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sama sama  x 0
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I won't short or long at the moment. I be watching by the side with popcorns first :)
After they fight finish, then i |
Entered 50 lots @ $1.10 & will exit ard $1.30
bryancbq ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 18:19) Posted:
| What is a good price to enter? |
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I won't short or long at the moment. I be watching by the side with popcorns first :)
After they fight finish, then i
The beauty of the stock market lies in the diversity of views and theories.
But it is most useful for stock newbies if they will always bear in mind that no matter
what theories are propounded,
in stocks, all is betting. Armed with this knowledge
alone, they will not be shocked with pants down when they lose big money.
Relying on favourute theories is
most dangerous. In other words, in stocks,
if bets big one can win big
OR lose big...
stockmarketmind ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 13:07) Posted:
Why so?? I have a different opinion from you.
TradeChancellor ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 12:21) Posted:
| this is a good counter to short... if STI downtrends, NOL is one of the best candidate for shorting... |
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What is a good price to enter?
Hi, Can you also explain why you think NOL should not be shorted using your K theory? thanks
stockmarketmind ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 13:07) Posted:
Why so?? I have a different opinion from you.
TradeChancellor ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 12:21) Posted:
| this is a good counter to short... if STI downtrends, NOL is one of the best candidate for shorting... |
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Why so?? I have a different opinion from you.
TradeChancellor ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 12:21) Posted:
| this is a good counter to short... if STI downtrends, NOL is one of the best candidate for shorting... |
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NOL reports US$57 million Year-on-Year improvement in Core EBIT
One-time charges for restructuring, vessels held for sale contribute to second quarter net loss of US$118 million
SINGAPORE, 08 Aug 2012:
NOL Group today reported second quarter 2012 Core EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Taxes) of US$16 million, a US$57 million turnaround in the key profitability measure from a year ago.
NOL’s container shipping line, APL, reported second quarter Core EBIT of US$7 million. It was the first time since the fourth quarter of 2010 that the shipping business has been profitable. NOL attributed the result to improved freight rates and its efforts to control expenses and improve efficiency. APL Logistics, NOL’s supply chain management business, reported second quarter Core EBIT of US$9 million.
NOL said one-time charges of US$112 million led to a second quarter net loss of US$118 million. The charges were for organizational restructuring and the sale of obsolete vessels to make room for more efficient ships and to reset vessel slot costs. NOL said that without the non-recurring charges, the second quarter net loss would have been US$6 million.
“The one-time charges were difficult but necessary,” said Group CEO Ng Yat Chung. “We need a more efficient organization and a more modern, cost-competitive fleet to deal with the oversupply situation in the container shipping industry.”
NOL reported an 8% revenue increase in the second quarter compared to the same period a year ago. The company said that through two quarters of 2012 it has achieved US$225 million in expense reductions toward a full-year goal of US$500 million.
Improved fuel efficiency accounted for much of the cost savings, the company said. Fuel use was reduced by 7%, in the first half of 2012 from a year ago in spite of a 4% increase in cargo volume.
FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE
| | 1H12 | 1H11 | Change % | | 2Q12 | 2Q11 | Change % |
| Revenue (US$m) | | 4,711 | 4,595 | 3 | | 2,333 | 2,152 | 8 |
| Core EBIT (US$m) | | (217) | (28) | 675 | | 16 | (41) | nm |
| Net loss (US$m) | | (371) | (67) | 457 | | (118) | (57) | 107 |
BUSINESS SEGMENTS
APL reported second quarter revenue of US$2 billion, up 7% from a year ago. It attributed the improvement to increased freight rates and volume growth. APL reported a 3% increase in Revenue per FEU (forty-foot equivalent unit). The company said it reduced costs for moving empty containers back to major export centers by US$19 million in the first half of 2012. Lowering the cost for empty repositioning has been a key management objective, APL said. “Market conditions improved in the second quarter but just as important were the steps we took to improve efficiency,” said APL President Kenneth Glenn. “We expect further improvement as we continue to bring fuel-efficient ships into the fleet and optimize our network.”
APL Logistics reported second quarter revenue of US$361 million, up 15% from a year ago. Contract Logistics revenue increased 20% due to growing demand for rail and other land-based logistics services. International Logistics Services revenue improved 7% on rising volume. APL Logistics’ Core EBIT was down 25% from a year ago. The decrease was partly attributed to investments to improve technology products and commercial infrastructure. “We realized continued improvement in both revenue and shipment volumes in the first half of the year despite unsettled economic conditions in developed markets,” said APL Logistics President Jim McAdam. “Our goal is continued revenue growth and market expansion coupled with greater cost efficiency.”
OUTLOOK
The Group’s performance improved in the second quarter due to rate increases and cost savings. However, the Group’s financial performance will depend on freight rates, global economic position, over-capacity in container shipping and fuel prices. The outlook for these factors remains uncertain. Nevertheless, the Group will continue to focus on managing its costs and capacity.Source: http://www.nol.com.sg/wps/portal/nol/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gLRxMDd2cTAw8DTyDp6erk5uzn62zkH2qsHw7SgVOFgas5RN4AB3A00PfzyM9N1S_Izk5zdFRUBACmJI8n/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfOEE0MEdDNDBIMElDNDBJRUJGQ05NQzJLRjc!/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/nolsharedcontentlib/st-common/sa-pressreleases/81ca59004c4582eaa86ea81e2a030cea
this is a good counter to short... if STI downtrends, NOL is one of the best candidate for shorting...
This info is from their yesterday report.
1H12 loss amount to 371m, last year 1H11 loss at 67m.
Integrity ( Date: 08-Aug-2012 23:09) Posted:
| Huge loss of -371m compare to -67m last year, that is 457% in difference! |
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Sorry sld be Friday. Lol
tiancai007 ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 10:17) Posted:
| But still a loss is a loss. Monday may see retailer panick sell at the opening, BBs may later come in to cherry pick...just my view only... |
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But still a loss is a loss. Monday may see retailer panick sell at the opening, BBs may later come in to cherry pick...just my view only...
Where u get the info from? Loss only 118mil but due to 112mil write down, otherwise this qnt in profit. This is from CNA
SINGAPORE: Shipping operator NOL Group on Wednesday reported that its net losses doubled in the second quarter of the year to US$118 million from the same period last year.
This, the company says, is due to a one-time impairment loss of US$112 million. Out of this, US$89 million were from the sale of obsolete ships.
Group revenue rose 8 per cent on-quarter to US$2.33 billion.
The shipper says its container shipping business, which suffered from poor freight rates and oversupply of ships, would have been profitable for the first time since the fourth quarter of 2010 if not for the US$112 million impairment loss.
But NOL says the one-time charges are part of the plan to save US$500 million in 2012.
So far, expenses have been reduced by US$225 million.
About US$29 million of the impairment was to streamline its manpower costs by reducing some 500 employees worldwide.
Another US$82 million was recorded for selling five obsolete vessels to make room for more efficient ships to save on fuel.
NOL says it is unlikely to write-off more ships as obsolete, but it adds that this will depend on the oversupply situation of container ships and its impact on freight rates.
NOL Group CEO Ng Yat Chung said: "Given our profile of large number of charters that are up for renewal in the next two years, the group has tremendous flexibility to take capacity out if the market environment doesn't warrant it.
"Again, depending on the environment, we preserve the full flexibility to be able to get rid of the less efficient ships to make way for the new ones that are coming."
Integrity ( Date: 08-Aug-2012 23:09) Posted:
| Huge loss of -371m compare to -67m last year, that is 457% in difference! |
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hello,
when we invest or trade, we must always be prepared to be wrong.....have a stop loss, a game plan...a system of managing your fear and greed....for me, i buy when price cuts 20 dMA and i cut loss when it goes below 20 dMA if instead of going higher .....and start shorting. Emotions are not part of the equation. i am still learning and practising.
there were many times, the market is just illogical....it just doesn't make any sense......so now i just follow my strategy and it doesn't have to be and won't be 100% accurate.....but enough to make $$$.
Maybe, a Big " maybe" this Quarter loss is THE Worst it can be without bankrupting NOL.
cheers,
jason.
star-trader ( Date: 09-Aug-2012 08:30) Posted:
Yes, I agreed with this..
This should be the mindset of any individual investors as there will be always be an opportunity for winning a trade again..
Star-Trader
warrenbegger ( Date: 08-Aug-2012 21:47) Posted:
| U more lucky than me as u sell higher than me. But as long as we all earn, we should be contented liao. Cheers :) |
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