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Well, if you consider selling every 3-4 bits up in a day means timing.... Then I am timing. Lol
Please note that I am not say I am good.... If it is a bear market... I would have lose money down and down and down.
I am just protecting gain ( more gain even better) and seeing ipco trading pattern... It is always 3 up 2 down type.
next quarter result will see NTA increase from 10c to 12c
Definition of 'Market Timing'
1. The act of attempting to predict the future direction of the market, typically through the use of technical indicators or economic data.
Source:http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/markettiming.asp
I won't say anything, judge for yourself whether she is market timing or not.
Bigmama ( Date: 26-Sep-2013 18:16) Posted:
I bullish too. But I know if ipco spike too much a day. Sell high and wait can collect back lower. I think you don't know how to swing... Sour grapes i sense.....I buy more at 3.7 and 3.5 as you say..... To support you....Lol
Isolator ( Date: 26-Sep-2013 18:11) Posted:
I am always bullish... no change.... 3.7ct is just my entry support if it spike down.... You thought it is going to end? You must have regret that you did not exit that why now so emotional... LOL
Just hints..... it is just the beginning...... If you dont believe... just sell.... When have doubts dont trade..... trading rules.... |
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Sifu 1.8 impossible. I not delusional lol. Ya hope niah hope can get better price. If not have to suck it up.
Isolator ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 14:28) Posted:
better price... many want to have better price.... at 1.8.... many say wait for better price... but then they entered.... 3ct.... Anyway, trade according to your comfort style....
yummygd ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 14:22) Posted:
| Sifu not worried. Waiting for better price. |
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better price... many want to have better price.... at 1.8.... many say wait for better price... but then they entered.... 3ct.... Anyway, trade according to your comfort style....
yummygd ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 14:22) Posted:
Sifu not worried. Waiting for better price.
Isolator ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 14:18) Posted:
Why worry.... Expect the Unexpected..... |
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Simple. IPCO isn't cornered (evident from the way SSHs are buying and selling large amount of shares on the open market), so its in no way comparable to blumont.
The SSHs in Blumont can never offload their shares, but the SSHs in IPCO can.
spss1955 ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:54) Posted:
If that's the case, then it applies to every counter, right? Ipco also has negligible earnings. So what makes Ipco different from Blumont that you infer that Ipco is the real prize and Blumont is the instrument?
xtraderx ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:41) Posted:
They can never offload Blumont in a " controlled way" , impossible to find so many people to take over these shares at current prices. Remember that Blumont is worth 4b, but it has nearly zero earnings (future or current) |
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Sifu not worried. Waiting for better price.
Isolator ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 14:18) Posted:
Why worry.... Expect the Unexpected..... |
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I am not expecting a market crash. But are hinting that is the 'unexpected'?
Isolator ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 14:18) Posted:
Why worry.... Expect the Unexpected..... |
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Why worry.... Expect the Unexpected.....
U r welcome! Need some comedy in this cross fire lol! Huat ah everyone
spss1955 ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:56) Posted:
Hi Yummygd, I like your sense of humour. Thank you for a wonderful treat... Cheers!
yummygd ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:54) Posted:
| Hi melted sugar. U have such a sweet nick. Bigmama n Isolator r both Sifus but none have enough funds to move market as u suggest. Ur observation as cute as ur nick. Make me crave pancakes for some reason. No one can time market but most have sight. Ipco is on downtrend. Unless u r able to catch some flies to stick on ipco to make it stop falling. Till den cherrios! Hope we dun get toothache soon!! N den major headache |
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If I time the market ... I would sell all right at the high right? No, how can anyone sell at the highest or time the highest.
You can see ... I do progressive selling when it goes up crazy. And buy back if it drops.... That is why I got out about 30% only. I sell 10% every 3 to 4 pips up.
( can check my past postings)
It is that simple for me.... Probably almost all out if it had hit 7+ cents.
You know many of us has been selling 2-3 pips up and buy 2 pips down....for the past 6 months.
Background
I started investing in ipco in feb at 2.1 and progressively up.
Rosesyrup ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:58) Posted:
Additional Notes:
- If you do check, a lot of the accounts here are new! That could mean a lot of things but its better to be safe than sorry.
- If you believe IPCO fair value should be some where near its NAV of 10cents, then a return of more than 100++%- if you buy at current price- would be more than enough to outperform the long term market return of 20%. Why lust over 9-10% extra return from timing the market and risk losing the 100++%?
POST-SCRIPT: This is and the previous post is not a buy call on this stock but a reminder and warning to the possible danger of speculating this volatile counter.
Rosesyrup ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:46) Posted:
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Investment Rule No.5: No one can consistently time the market!
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Regardless of what is posted up here, I do advise forum users NOT to time the market. Timing the market induce unnecessary risks and cost. You can verify my claims by either doing a Google search or by reading the following article in which recognized experts warned against timing the market:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578289721356165706.html
Though without evidence, I highly suspect that all those forum users calling for market timing are actually separate accounts owned by one single entity (could be a group of fund managers with the same aim). This might be done so to manipulate the behavior of retail trader and lead them into believing that IPCO should be sold down whenever it surge. Convinced retail investors would then short IPCO whenever it surged. This created a POTENTIAL SHORT SQUEEZE situation, where the devious entity would suddenly buy in huge quantity immediately after the surge, plundering from retail shortists.
Yesterday, I made an offer to test Bigmama ability to time the market, but was rejected by her. Though this does not lead the conclusion that Bigmama do not have market timing skill or she is just simply trying to manipulate the market, it does give rise to a more reasonable conclusion: Bigmama has YET to prove her market timing ability.
Without the backing of concert evidence, it would be unfair of me to make false accusations. Nevertheless I urge forum users here to place more weigh on the advice of recognized experts than some entities (or rather entity) hidden behind the veil of anonymity. |
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Additional Notes:
- If you do check, a lot of the accounts here are new! That could mean a lot of things but its better to be safe than sorry.
- If you believe IPCO fair value should be some where near its NAV of 10cents, then a return of more than 100++%- if you buy at current price- would be more than enough to outperform the long term market return of 20%. Why lust over 9-10% extra return from timing the market and risk losing the 100++%?
POST-SCRIPT: This is and the previous post is not a buy call on this stock but a reminder and warning to the possible danger of speculating this volatile counter.Rosesyrup ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:46) Posted:
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Investment Rule No.5: No one can consistently time the market!
:)
Regardless of what is posted up here, I do advise forum users NOT to time the market. Timing the market induce unnecessary risks and cost. You can verify my claims by either doing a Google search or by reading the following article in which recognized experts warned against timing the market:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578289721356165706.html
Though without evidence, I highly suspect that all those forum users calling for market timing are actually separate accounts owned by one single entity (could be a group of fund managers with the same aim). This might be done so to manipulate the behavior of retail trader and lead them into believing that IPCO should be sold down whenever it surge. Convinced retail investors would then short IPCO whenever it surged. This created a POTENTIAL SHORT SQUEEZE situation, where the devious entity would suddenly buy in huge quantity immediately after the surge, plundering from retail shortists.
Yesterday, I made an offer to test Bigmama ability to time the market, but was rejected by her. Though this does not lead the conclusion that Bigmama do not have market timing skill or she is just simply trying to manipulate the market, it does give rise to a more reasonable conclusion: Bigmama has YET to prove her market timing ability.
Without the backing of concert evidence, it would be unfair of me to make false accusations. Nevertheless I urge forum users here to place more weigh on the advice of recognized experts than some entities (or rather entity) hidden behind the veil of anonymity.
Bigmama ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:15) Posted:
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Hi Yummygd, I like your sense of humour. Thank you for a wonderful treat... Cheers!
yummygd ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:54) Posted:
Hi melted sugar. U have such a sweet nick. Bigmama n Isolator r both Sifus but none have enough funds to move market as u suggest. Ur observation as cute as ur nick. Make me crave pancakes for some reason. No one can time market but most have sight. Ipco is on downtrend. Unless u r able to catch some flies to stick on ipco to make it stop falling. Till den cherrios! Hope we dun get toothache soon!! N den major headache.
Rosesyrup ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:46) Posted:
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Investment Rule No.5: No one can consistently time the market!
:)
Regardless of what is posted up here, I do advise forum users NOT to time the market. Timing the market induce unnecessary risks and cost. You can verify my claims by either doing a Google search or by reading the following article in which recognized experts warned against timing the market:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578289721356165706.html
Though without evidence, I highly suspect that all those forum users calling for market timing are actually separate accounts owned by one single entity (could be a group of fund managers with the same aim). This might be done so to manipulate the behavior of retail trader and lead them into believing that IPCO should be sold down whenever it surge. Convinced retail investors would then short IPCO whenever it surged. This created a POTENTIAL SHORT SQUEEZE situation, where the devious entity would suddenly buy in huge quantity immediately after the surge, plundering from retail shortists.
Yesterday, I made an offer to test Bigmama ability to time the market, but was rejected by her. Though this does not lead the conclusion that Bigmama do not have market timing skill or she is just simply trying to manipulate the market, it does give rise to a more reasonable conclusion: Bigmama has YET to prove her market timing ability.
Without the backing of concert evidence, it would be unfair of me to make false accusations. Nevertheless I urge forum users here to place more weigh on the advice of recognized experts than some entities (or rather entity) hidden behind the veil of anonymity. |
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If that's the case, then it applies to every counter, right? Ipco also has negligible earnings. So what makes Ipco different from Blumont that you infer that Ipco is the real prize and Blumont is the instrument?
xtraderx ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:41) Posted:
They can never offload Blumont in a " controlled way" , impossible to find so many people to take over these shares at current prices. Remember that Blumont is worth 4b, but it has nearly zero earnings (future or current).
spss1955 ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:23) Posted:
Hi xtraderx,
Sorry, I can't understand the logic. - BBs control Blumont's price to induce retailers to buy ipco shares to make huge profits? The BBs at Blumont are already making huge profits if they offload Blumont shares in a control way, ie, without crashing the price.
Consider this: Blumont's price rose 10x from 0.26 on 3 Jan to about 2.42 today. Ipco's price was 0.024 on 3 Jan, and the highest to got to was 0.047, almost 2x. Which counter price has soared? Blumont or ipco? If I'm the BBs at both counters, which counter am I sitting on with most profits?
Hope I'm not missing anything. Quite new to trading and I'm trying to understand your rationale |
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Hi melted sugar. U have such a sweet nick. Bigmama n Isolator r both Sifus but none have enough funds to move market as u suggest. Ur observation as cute as ur nick. Make me crave pancakes for some reason. No one can time market but most have sight. Ipco is on downtrend. Unless u r able to catch some flies to stick on ipco to make it stop falling. Till den cherrios! Hope we dun get toothache soon!! N den major headache.
Rosesyrup ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:46) Posted:
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Investment Rule No.5: No one can consistently time the market!
:)
Regardless of what is posted up here, I do advise forum users NOT to time the market. Timing the market induce unnecessary risks and cost. You can verify my claims by either doing a Google search or by reading the following article in which recognized experts warned against timing the market:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578289721356165706.html
Though without evidence, I highly suspect that all those forum users calling for market timing are actually separate accounts owned by one single entity (could be a group of fund managers with the same aim). This might be done so to manipulate the behavior of retail trader and lead them into believing that IPCO should be sold down whenever it surge. Convinced retail investors would then short IPCO whenever it surged. This created a POTENTIAL SHORT SQUEEZE situation, where the devious entity would suddenly buy in huge quantity immediately after the surge, plundering from retail shortists.
Yesterday, I made an offer to test Bigmama ability to time the market, but was rejected by her. Though this does not lead the conclusion that Bigmama do not have market timing skill or she is just simply trying to manipulate the market, it does give rise to a more reasonable conclusion: Bigmama has YET to prove her market timing ability.
Without the backing of concert evidence, it would be unfair of me to make false accusations. Nevertheless I urge forum users here to place more weigh on the advice of recognized experts than some entities (or rather entity) hidden behind the veil of anonymity.
Bigmama ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:15) Posted:
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Investment Rule No.5: No one can consistently time the market!
:)
Regardless of what is posted up here, I do advise forum users NOT to time the market. Timing the market induce unnecessary risks and cost. You can verify my claims by either doing a Google search or by reading the following article in which recognized experts warned against timing the market:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323452204578289721356165706.html
Though without evidence, I highly suspect that all those forum users calling for market timing are actually separate accounts owned by one single entity (could be a group of fund managers with the same aim). This might be done so to manipulate the behavior of retail trader and lead them into believing that IPCO should be sold down whenever it surge. Convinced retail investors would then short IPCO whenever it surged. This created a POTENTIAL SHORT SQUEEZE situation, where the devious entity would suddenly buy in huge quantity immediately after the surge, plundering from retail shortists.
Yesterday, I made an offer to test Bigmama ability to time the market, but was rejected by her. Though this does not lead the conclusion that Bigmama do not have market timing skill or she is just simply trying to manipulate the market, it does give rise to a more reasonable conclusion: Bigmama has YET to prove her market timing ability.
Without the backing of concert evidence, it would be unfair of me to make false accusations. Nevertheless I urge forum users here to place more weigh on the advice of recognized experts than some entities (or rather entity) hidden behind the veil of anonymity.
Bigmama ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:15) Posted:
Right! .... We should remember that the next time
moneycow ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:13) Posted:
IPCO seem always stagnant for long time - when move alot in a day after so long of sleep, it falls back almost immediately................
So on the next run ..................in a day.................move above 4.5 ................ if can. Grab profit.............be sure , safe than sorry yeah. |
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They can never offload Blumont in a " controlled way" , impossible to find so many people to take over these shares at current prices. Remember that Blumont is worth 4b, but it has nearly zero earnings (future or current).
spss1955 ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:23) Posted:
Hi xtraderx,
Sorry, I can't understand the logic. - BBs control Blumont's price to induce retailers to buy ipco shares to make huge profits? The BBs at Blumont are already making huge profits if they offload Blumont shares in a control way, ie, without crashing the price.
Consider this: Blumont's price rose 10x from 0.26 on 3 Jan to about 2.42 today. Ipco's price was 0.024 on 3 Jan, and the highest to got to was 0.047, almost 2x. Which counter price has soared? Blumont or ipco? If I'm the BBs at both counters, which counter am I sitting on with most profits?
Hope I'm not missing anything. Quite new to trading and I'm trying to understand your rationale.
xtraderx ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 12:48) Posted:
To rig Blumont's share price, that much is obvious. Blumont is a cornered stock, SSHs can't sell their shares (dumping the float in open market) without crashing it. The question that people should be asking is why rig Blumont's share price? My own speculation is that Blumont is just a proxy thats used to control IPCO's price behaviour. The cost of rigging Blumont's price is negligible (they don't lose money if they don't dump the shares onto the public), but the gains from IPCO's soaring share price is potentially huge i.e pump up blumont to induce public to buy IPCO shares from the manipulators.
Note that this is pure speculation only, and I have no vested interest in IPCO or Blumont |
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Hi xtraderx,
Sorry, I can't understand the logic. - BBs control Blumont's price to induce retailers to buy ipco shares to make huge profits? The BBs at Blumont are already making huge profits if they offload Blumont shares in a control way, ie, without crashing the price.
Consider this: Blumont's price rose 10x from 0.26 on 3 Jan to about 2.42 today. Ipco's price was 0.024 on 3 Jan, and the highest to got to was 0.047, almost 2x. Which counter price has soared? Blumont or ipco? If I'm the BBs at both counters, which counter am I sitting on with most profits?
Hope I'm not missing anything. Quite new to trading and I'm trying to understand your rationale.
xtraderx ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 12:48) Posted:
To rig Blumont's share price, that much is obvious. Blumont is a cornered stock, SSHs can't sell their shares (dumping the float in open market) without crashing it. The question that people should be asking is why rig Blumont's share price? My own speculation is that Blumont is just a proxy thats used to control IPCO's price behaviour. The cost of rigging Blumont's price is negligible (they don't lose money if they don't dump the shares onto the public), but the gains from IPCO's soaring share price is potentially huge i.e pump up blumont to induce public to buy IPCO shares from the manipulators.
Note that this is pure speculation only, and I have no vested interest in IPCO or Blumont.
k2kingkong ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 12:28) Posted:
@xtraderx :
Why are the big share holders subscribing to all the rights and not selling their Blumont shares ? thks for advice.
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Thanks for your views. I should have sold this morning but i was too busy. Am I late at selling now 3.5ct? Anyway i am looking for opportunities to make money from IPco.
Rosesyrup ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:15) Posted:
Today is definitely a shortist day for IPCO, but seems like you are late. 3.5cents is a strong resistance, you could have made some handsome profit if you had shorted in the morning.
I am speculating, AND REALLY JUST SPECULATING, that the parties will work out their difference last min tonight- neither party wants to bear the responsibility of sending the country into another crisis. Thus IPCO might lead another charge tomorrow.
drbull ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:07) Posted:
Yes I agree with you to listen to their chit chat. But it should pertain to different points of view is ok . But not critising who is right or wrong. Anyway I am not talking about their quarrels anymore. TQ.
Importantly we are here to get tips on how to make money!. Looks like if we sell Mr. IP now and buy back later at cheaper price we can make some money.What does everyone think |
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Right! .... We should remember that the next time
moneycow ( Date: 30-Sep-2013 13:13) Posted:
IPCO seem always stagnant for long time - when move alot in a day after so long of sleep, it falls back almost immediately................
So on the next run ..................in a day.................move above 4.5 ................ if can. Grab profit.............be sure , safe than sorry yeah. |
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