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Anyone want my position? Haha don't have to wait
Bro HolyOwl, Sis Gorgeous Ong manage to convince You fill appication. Be careful here got many Sisters with 'Features' lol.
h0ly0wl ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 17:35) Posted:
can still squeeze me in ?
Simpsons ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 17:31) Posted:
18/8/2013 18:08 -Grand Opening, ribbon cutting, press conference & cocktail will be served.
Official launch of "Any Stocks Also Can Discuss Forum" Aka RBB (Ride BB)
*Membership offically closed.*
New members will be added every 18th day of the following month. Pls PM me & indicate your gender. Kum siah, If not i "bo eng" to trade lol...
Pls take note of our club's rules & regulations as follow
1) Don't chase a stock
2) Remember to take profit
3) Must have cut loss system
4) DYODD
P/s-(b) is bro & (s) is sis..
Management Team:
1.) Stockcham-Advisor aka 股 哥 (b)
2.) Ace333-Chairman (b)
3.) Librajet-Ceo(b)
4.) Joseeng-Coo (b)
5.) Peter_pan-Cso(b)
6.) Winterqq-Cfo(s)
Members:
7.) Cskshares (b)
8.) Novice_trader (b)
9.) Bulletproofheart (b)
10.) Pauperman (b)
11.) Gold916 (s)
12.) Hallelujah (s)
13.) GorgeousOng (s)
14.) Iluvboast (b)
15.) Jarollo (b)
16.) Dicksonh (b)
17.) Jfierce (b)
18.) Stockbabe (s)
19.) Verynew (b)
20.) Veryverynew (s)
21.) Simpsons (b)
22.) Sugeee (s)
23.) 71ltan(b)
24.) guoyanyunyan(s)
25.)Octavia (b)
26.) Danielngel(b)
27.) Dividend_warrior(b)
28.) Stratagem(b)
29.) Patkeane(b)
30.) Avid1980(s)
31.) Louis_lecs(b)
32.) Tomique(b)
33.) Netengineer(b)
34.) Susan66 (s)
35.) Qwertyuiop00 (b)
36.) PandaWarrior(b)
37.) Hellogoodbye(b)
38.) Solidbuy(b)
39.) Emilyn (s)
40.) Summerfairy (s)
41.) Churnw (b)
42.) Humtaro (s)
43.) Rosewood (s)
44.) Myjourney (b)
45.) Falcon (s)
46.) Sfguyrulez (b)
47.) Rocky1 (b)
48.) Et6996 (b)
49.) Alvinngsh (b)
50.) Winzky (b)
Treasurer-BB aka 股 灾 (ASACDF's ATM)
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Bro holyowl, you are definitely in my list for 18th next month. Not too worry, this forum is still open to all. Kum siah and huat!!
h0ly0wl ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 17:35) Posted:
can still squeeze me in ?
Simpsons ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 17:31) Posted:
18/8/2013 18:08 -Grand Opening, ribbon cutting, press conference & cocktail will be served.
Official launch of "Any Stocks Also Can Discuss Forum" Aka RBB (Ride BB)
*Membership offically closed.*
New members will be added every 18th day of the following month. Pls PM me & indicate your gender. Kum siah, If not i "bo eng" to trade lol...
Pls take note of our club's rules & regulations as follow
1) Don't chase a stock
2) Remember to take profit
3) Must have cut loss system
4) DYODD
P/s-(b) is bro & (s) is sis..
Management Team:
1.) Stockcham-Advisor aka 股 哥 (b)
2.) Ace333-Chairman (b)
3.) Librajet-Ceo(b)
4.) Joseeng-Coo (b)
5.) Peter_pan-Cso(b)
6.) Winterqq-Cfo(s)
Members:
7.) Cskshares (b)
8.) Novice_trader (b)
9.) Bulletproofheart (b)
10.) Pauperman (b)
11.) Gold916 (s)
12.) Hallelujah (s)
13.) GorgeousOng (s)
14.) Iluvboast (b)
15.) Jarollo (b)
16.) Dicksonh (b)
17.) Jfierce (b)
18.) Stockbabe (s)
19.) Verynew (b)
20.) Veryverynew (s)
21.) Simpsons (b)
22.) Sugeee (s)
23.) 71ltan(b)
24.) guoyanyunyan(s)
25.)Octavia (b)
26.) Danielngel(b)
27.) Dividend_warrior(b)
28.) Stratagem(b)
29.) Patkeane(b)
30.) Avid1980(s)
31.) Louis_lecs(b)
32.) Tomique(b)
33.) Netengineer(b)
34.) Susan66 (s)
35.) Qwertyuiop00 (b)
36.) PandaWarrior(b)
37.) Hellogoodbye(b)
38.) Solidbuy(b)
39.) Emilyn (s)
40.) Summerfairy (s)
41.) Churnw (b)
42.) Humtaro (s)
43.) Rosewood (s)
44.) Myjourney (b)
45.) Falcon (s)
46.) Sfguyrulez (b)
47.) Rocky1 (b)
48.) Et6996 (b)
49.) Alvinngsh (b)
50.) Winzky (b)
Treasurer-BB aka 股 灾 (ASACDF's ATM)
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Interesting to see the varying and diverse viewpoints of different forum members. My opinion is that whether FA or TA, they are both important and just like a pair of hands, you need both of them to produce the best results. One thing I know, relying purely on fundamental analysis is very dangerous unless you are an active investor like Warren Buffett. Relying purely on technical analysis is also very dangerous because you never know when you will lose that big one. However, is heartening to see that members here who rely sorely on technical analysis have a cut loss system, which is a very wise decision. Whether one wants to be a technical trader or fundamental investor or mix, is best to know yourself - your own style, strategy, capital, risk appetite, etc... FA + TA = FATA (prosper or HUAT in chinese). Let's Huat together everyone and have a great Sunday evening!! =)
can still squeeze me in ?
Simpsons ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 17:31) Posted:
18/8/2013 18:08 -Grand Opening, ribbon cutting, press conference & cocktail will be served.
Official launch of "Any Stocks Also Can Discuss Forum" Aka RBB (Ride BB)
*Membership offically closed.*
New members will be added every 18th day of the following month. Pls PM me & indicate your gender. Kum siah, If not i "bo eng" to trade lol...
Pls take note of our club's rules & regulations as follow
1) Don't chase a stock
2) Remember to take profit
3) Must have cut loss system
4) DYODD
P/s-(b) is bro & (s) is sis..
Management Team:
1.) Stockcham-Advisor aka 股 哥 (b)
2.) Ace333-Chairman (b)
3.) Librajet-Ceo(b)
4.) Joseeng-Coo (b)
5.) Peter_pan-Cso(b)
6.) Winterqq-Cfo(s)
Members:
7.) Cskshares (b)
8.) Novice_trader (b)
9.) Bulletproofheart (b)
10.) Pauperman (b)
11.) Gold916 (s)
12.) Hallelujah (s)
13.) GorgeousOng (s)
14.) Iluvboast (b)
15.) Jarollo (b)
16.) Dicksonh (b)
17.) Jfierce (b)
18.) Stockbabe (s)
19.) Verynew (b)
20.) Veryverynew (s)
21.) Simpsons (b)
22.) Sugeee (s)
23.) 71ltan(b)
24.) guoyanyunyan(s)
25.)Octavia (b)
26.) Danielngel(b)
27.) Dividend_warrior(b)
28.) Stratagem(b)
29.) Patkeane(b)
30.) Avid1980(s)
31.) Louis_lecs(b)
32.) Tomique(b)
33.) Netengineer(b)
34.) Susan66 (s)
35.) Qwertyuiop00 (b)
36.) PandaWarrior(b)
37.) Hellogoodbye(b)
38.) Solidbuy(b)
39.) Emilyn (s)
40.) Summerfairy (s)
41.) Churnw (b)
42.) Humtaro (s)
43.) Rosewood (s)
44.) Myjourney (b)
45.) Falcon (s)
46.) Sfguyrulez (b)
47.) Rocky1 (b)
48.) Et6996 (b)
49.) Alvinngsh (b)
50.) Winzky (b)
Treasurer-BB aka 股 灾 (ASACDF's ATM)
cskshares ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 15:09) Posted:
| Agree. Should use the login name instead, so when there is any post, we know who is who! HUAT AH |
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18/8/2013 18:08 -Grand Opening, ribbon cutting, press conference & cocktail will be served.
Official launch of "Any Stocks Also Can Discuss Forum" Aka RBB (Ride BB)
*Membership offically closed.*
New members will be added every 18th day of the following month. Pls PM me & indicate your gender. Kum siah, If not i "bo eng" to trade lol...
Pls take note of our club's rules & regulations as follow
1) Don't chase a stock
2) Remember to take profit
3) Must have cut loss system
4) DYODD
P/s-(b) is bro & (s) is sis..
Management Team:
1.) Stockcham-Advisor aka 股 哥 (b)
2.) Ace333-Chairman (b)
3.) Librajet-Ceo(b)
4.) Joseeng-Coo (b)
5.) Peter_pan-Cso(b)
6.) Winterqq-Cfo(s)
Members:
7.) Cskshares (b)
8.) Novice_trader (b)
9.) Bulletproofheart (b)
10.) Pauperman (b)
11.) Gold916 (s)
12.) Hallelujah (s)
13.) GorgeousOng (s)
14.) Iluvboast (b)
15.) Jarollo (b)
16.) Dicksonh (b)
17.) Jfierce (b)
18.) Stockbabe (s)
19.) Verynew (b)
20.) Veryverynew (s)
21.) Simpsons (b)
22.) Sugeee (s)
23.) 71ltan(b)
24.) guoyanyunyan(s)
25.)Octavia (b)
26.) Danielngel(b)
27.) Dividend_warrior(b)
28.) Stratagem(b)
29.) Patkeane(b)
30.) Avid1980(s)
31.) Louis_lecs(b)
32.) Tomique(b)
33.) Netengineer(b)
34.) Susan66 (s)
35.) Qwertyuiop00 (b)
36.) PandaWarrior(b)
37.) Hellogoodbye(b)
38.) Solidbuy(b)
39.) Emilyn (s)
40.) Summerfairy (s)
41.) Churnw (b)
42.) Humtaro (s)
43.) Rosewood (s)
44.) Myjourney (b)
45.) Falcon (s)
46.) Sfguyrulez (b)
47.) Rocky1 (b)
48.) Et6996 (b)
49.) Alvinngsh (b)
50.) Winzky (b)
Treasurer-BB aka 股 灾 (ASACDF's ATM)
cskshares ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 15:09) Posted:
Agree. Should use the login name instead, so when there is any post, we know who is who! HUAT AH!
guoyanyunyan ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 15:08) Posted:
@bro Simpsons
please update the member list as:
24. guoyanyunyan
25. Octavia
..le bai jit... hor lu bo eng... pai seh.... kam sia...
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haha sis Falcon now worries, so far ur picks work out eventually for u.. stay calm stay steady :D
Falcon ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 17:18) Posted:
Tks Bro JarolLo, I think that is Bro Joseng rule of thumb. True vry hard to see direction when mkt just open. But when counter cheongin I've also join in a few times, it wont wait for You. ( not any counters, the one pick out by Bro Stockcham & management team) Sometimes, You can get good deals at this first half hour fr panic sellers especially if market was red the day b4 vice versa.
The selling fr 4.15 can be easily spotted on Friday.
Great observations Bro, Huat ah!
JarolLo ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 16:52) Posted:
Bro Cskshares and Sis Falcon, I still remember Bro did mentioned before that he don't jump in during the first half an hour when market start, this timing is usually very volatile and I observed a lot of fake que around. I bear this hard in mind ever since then, and managed to save me from quite a number of kan chiong mistake, which was happened many many times in the past. So please remember the golden rule, never jump in during the first half an hour, unless you want to take opportunity to get out.
And I also observed, unless the counter is super bull run, usually the last half an hour or even before that, selling force is quite strong, probably also due to profit taking. So if want to get out and take profit, I'll usually do it at latest by 4.15 before the selling begin.
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Tks Bro JarolLo, I think that is Bro Joseng rule of thumb. True vry hard to see direction when mkt just open. But when counter cheongin I've also join in a few times, it wont wait for You. ( not any counters, the one pick out by Bro Stockcham & management team) Sometimes, You can get good deals at this first half hour fr panic sellers especially if market was red the day b4 vice versa.
The selling fr 4.15 can be easily spotted on Friday.
Great observations Bro, Huat ah!
JarolLo ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 16:52) Posted:
Bro Cskshares and Sis Falcon, I still remember Bro did mentioned before that he don't jump in during the first half an hour when market start, this timing is usually very volatile and I observed a lot of fake que around. I bear this hard in mind ever since then, and managed to save me from quite a number of kan chiong mistake, which was happened many many times in the past. So please remember the golden rule, never jump in during the first half an hour, unless you want to take opportunity to get out.
And I also observed, unless the counter is super bull run, usually the last half an hour or even before that, selling force is quite strong, probably also due to profit taking. So if want to get out and take profit, I'll usually do it at latest by 4.15 before the selling begin.
My opinion only.
Falcon ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 14:13) Posted:
| Bro Cskshares, I'm still polishing my cut loss skill. I see that You alredy get the hang of it. Losing is inevitable smtimes if You want to stay in d game. As long as its small dont worry, You will make more this week. Huat ah! Btw I've sold Freightlink last Thurs at 0.144, didnt make anything. I was not comfortable with the new deal with City Harvest. I need to 'believe' in a stock even if its a one day affair, lol. Cheers |
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greetings bro sc.
as much as I agree with you on your points abt cut loss,
I think something is missed out that star-trader mentioned with regards to emotions which he didnt explain much in his post.
Emotion and understanding human pscyh, I can't say more about how impt these 2 factors are in Short term trading. But how many knows how to do that effectively?
If you read the news , many young , in-experience traders want to make quick buck these days but many got burnt in the process why? Cause human behavior is all alike.
No. 1) they speculate by betting what they don't have and borrow on credit.
Its true that these days some bros and sis here have been earning kopi money..however I would like to them to analyse their earnings, since beginning of their trading/investment? Did they earn more when they invest, or did they earn more through speculation?
2) Now lets look around us? Who are the richest men/women in the world? Are they investors or speculators? Do you think they contra to be where they are now? Does P_Lim, WB, OHL and others make it big cause they started with big capital?
These are just for discussion points, not to argue whether you are right or wrong. Cheers.Stockcham ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 16:32) Posted:
Welcome Bro and thanks for sharing your view! It's good to hear different view and we learn from there.
There are some points which I have different view as you.
Cutting Loss is essential regardless whether one play stocks for short term or invest for long term. If a company have problem like Vard previously, it is not a good idea to continue to hold it and see it drop day by day. So we cannot rule out loss system. Why not cut loss and use the money to buy other potential counters?.
Price always moves before Fundamentals. Techincal Analysis can provide signal whether there is any problem with the company or whether there is potential in the company. Of course, TA may not be so accuarate at times because of speculation or when a market crash. To buy a counter when you see the fundamental may be too late because you may be buying at higher price. In my opinion, buying a potential counter or you can see the value is a better choice. The return is much higher than buying a fundamentally sound company.
I agree with you that it is good to hold a counter but the issue here is how many counters can one hold. Many knows about holding stocks but you will need deep pocket to hold so many counters. Therefore, I believe many regular investors hold some and play some. When I say play, that would mean playing short term like contra. How many regulars just buy and hold without playing stocks. Yes, playing contras is not the best choice. But if one wants to play but don't have deep pocket to hold, then this is the only option. But that doesn't mean that playing contra will sure loss money. Yes, it is not easy but if you can have the correct skill, you still can makes some kopi money. On the issue of cut loss then bounce back, I think we can't avoid that. That is part and parcel of the game. Even if one hold a stock, it can still happened after he sell it.
On TA wise, I agreed that no need to use so many indicators.
Good luck and Huat ah!
star-trader ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 14:02) Posted:
My personal view only..
Rule 3) , though my initial trading was based on this (Eg: 7% stop loss,etc..) but no longer valid for my current trading system..
Basically,
1) In any technical analysis stocks you want to trade, should always ensure that Fundamental Analysis is intact for the stock that you want to trade, be it short,mid or long term.. This will minimal the risk, although I won't say totally eliminate all risks.
2) Never trade using contra as any stocks need time to nurture, like a " nurturing a plant" .. It can be 1,2 to 4 weeks..but sell when the target price is hit and reap profits.
Holding power is important..
------> Have you ever experienced, when you sold using cut loss system, and it bounced back again after that? With the right combination of technical indicators,time frame to lock a position of a certain stock ( Each stock got different dates to lock in, that's why you see uptrend/downtrend..except those in-active,low volume stocks..)
3) Do not use all the technical indicators, but rather choose those that you comfortable with, at least 3 to 5.. and not more than that.
3) Emotion..another big topic..
4) Many more..but can't finish in this page itself..
All the best and this is only my personal view..
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my humble view is that even as an investor who is focus on fundamentals, we should be aware of the technical aspect as well.. 'cos knowing technicals will enable us to probably be able to buy a good fundamental stock at a lower price on dips due to probably some temporary overreaction of some news which doesnt affect fundamentals in long run, or simply profit taking by traders.. in market, we have a mixture of investors & traders.. so a good fundamental stock may still not rise, as it's likely a combination of both investors & traders who turn attention to it likely to push price up a lot.. similarly i feel a trader should also be aware of some fundamentals to minimize risk.. at least it wouldnt be too bad if traders invest in a stock that is still fundamentally sound, if the technicals went wrong.. just my humble views in front of all the sifu here lol
Stockcham ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 16:32) Posted:
Welcome Bro and thanks for sharing your view! It's good to hear different view and we learn from there.
There are some points which I have different view as you.
Cutting Loss is essential regardless whether one play stocks for short term or invest for long term. If a company have problem like Vard previously, it is not a good idea to continue to hold it and see it drop day by day. So we cannot rule out loss system. Why not cut loss and use the money to buy other potential counters?.
Price always moves before Fundamentals. Techincal Analysis can provide signal whether there is any problem with the company or whether there is potential in the company. Of course, TA may not be so accuarate at times because of speculation or when a market crash. To buy a counter when you see the fundamental may be too late because you may be buying at higher price. In my opinion, buying a potential counter or you can see the value is a better choice. The return is much higher than buying a fundamentally sound company.
I agree with you that it is good to hold a counter but the issue here is how many counters can one hold. Many knows about holding stocks but you will need deep pocket to hold so many counters. Therefore, I believe many regular investors hold some and play some. When I say play, that would mean playing short term like contra. How many regulars just buy and hold without playing stocks. Yes, playing contras is not the best choice. But if one wants to play but don't have deep pocket to hold, then this is the only option. But that doesn't mean that playing contra will sure loss money. Yes, it is not easy but if you can have the correct skill, you still can makes some kopi money. On the issue of cut loss then bounce back, I think we can't avoid that. That is part and parcel of the game. Even if one hold a stock, it can still happened after he sell it.
On TA wise, I agreed that no need to use so many indicators.
Good luck and Huat ah!
star-trader ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 14:02) Posted:
My personal view only..
Rule 3) , though my initial trading was based on this (Eg: 7% stop loss,etc..) but no longer valid for my current trading system..
Basically,
1) In any technical analysis stocks you want to trade, should always ensure that Fundamental Analysis is intact for the stock that you want to trade, be it short,mid or long term.. This will minimal the risk, although I won't say totally eliminate all risks.
2) Never trade using contra as any stocks need time to nurture, like a " nurturing a plant" .. It can be 1,2 to 4 weeks..but sell when the target price is hit and reap profits.
Holding power is important..
------> Have you ever experienced, when you sold using cut loss system, and it bounced back again after that? With the right combination of technical indicators,time frame to lock a position of a certain stock ( Each stock got different dates to lock in, that's why you see uptrend/downtrend..except those in-active,low volume stocks..)
3) Do not use all the technical indicators, but rather choose those that you comfortable with, at least 3 to 5.. and not more than that.
3) Emotion..another big topic..
4) Many more..but can't finish in this page itself..
All the best and this is only my personal view..
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Bro Cskshares and Sis Falcon, I still remember Bro did mentioned before that he don't jump in during the first half an hour when market start, this timing is usually very volatile and I observed a lot of fake que around. I bear this hard in mind ever since then, and managed to save me from quite a number of kan chiong mistake, which was happened many many times in the past. So please remember the golden rule, never jump in during the first half an hour, unless you want to take opportunity to get out.
And I also observed, unless the counter is super bull run, usually the last half an hour or even before that, selling force is quite strong, probably also due to profit taking. So if want to get out and take profit, I'll usually do it at latest by 4.15 before the selling begin.
My opinion only.
Falcon ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 14:13) Posted:
Bro Cskshares, I'm still polishing my cut loss skill. I see that You alredy get the hang of it. Losing is inevitable smtimes if You want to stay in d game. As long as its small dont worry, You will make more this week. Huat ah! Btw I've sold Freightlink last Thurs at 0.144, didnt make anything. I was not comfortable with the new deal with City Harvest. I need to 'believe' in a stock even if its a one day affair, lol. Cheers!
cskshares ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 13:38) Posted:
Bro, yes, I was caught in FreightLink fake q on Thursday.
For those who are still new, hope you learn from my experience, so you don't have to pay tuition fee again to learn for yourself.
I q 145 Wednesday night. Thursday morning, saw the matching at 146, but it did change to 140 for a few seconds, I felt something is not right. But then it moves back to 146, and then 147. I wanted to withdraw my q, but thought 145 is still quite safe. Last minute saw the big qs at 147 fully disappeared, and 146 also disappeared, immediately tried to withdraw, rejected, it was already done at 146. At opening, immediately sold down to 145, mine done. Went down a bit, I observed first, and it did move up a bit, should have sold higher looking at all these negative signs, again, hope it can move up, finally came down again, immediately I cut at 143.
Have decided not to q before opening seeing too many fake buy qs b4 opening. Even if I will q, must know how to look at negative signs and withdraw quick enough. Since I am not so good yet to read signs, will not q at the moment b4 opening.
For a new person like me, following our COO's advice of wait and see during the first 10 minutes of opening, should be safer. HUAT AH! |
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Wow very happy to be included in the list also. Thanks for including me!!! checking back in after resting for the weekend... hope that next week will be a better week for the stocks i holding :D unionmet chiong ar!!! dont make me cut loss... hahaha.. i also holding 2 other stocks.. next week must be more careful... focus more on work and chiong! once i buy a stock i really cannot concentrate on work... hahaha :( hope everyone all huats for the coming week so can have a super happy august!!
Hi SFGuyRuleZ,
Thk Qs, don hav 2go2 this extend, appreciated.
SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 04:44) Posted:
Haha thanks for the invitation but better not otherwise later all my
" enemies" and " critics" come here and disturb the peace and happiness of
this house. Don't want to turn this nice thread into a " 溏 心 風 暴 之 家 好 月 圓 " forum..
I used to actually hold negative views about day traders or punters
but after having stayed in SJ for some time, my perceptions have
changed. I realize not everyone has to follow my philosophy of
investing. Even traders and punters, or even shortists (even though I
still dislike them since they are in a position against mine) have
significant roles to play in the stock market. Ultimately, it has got to
do with the underlying intention of why one do something that
determines what's good or bad. Trading or " gambling" in stocks can be a
healthy interest and hobby and even fun as long as one is not too
obsessed in it. As long as treated like just a leisure activity and not
place too heavy emphasis on it, it can be an engaging and enjoyable
activity.
I benefited from your " Great Wall of China" and market depth theory.
Would also like to take the opportunity to thank sifu teeth53 as I also
benefited from his IPO analysis and market depth analysis. Lastly, also
to Bro KelvinLim123 (if he happens to be reading), even though sometimes
his words are rude and unkind, what he said about cutting loss and
" trend is your friend" is actually correct, especially for short-term
trading and punting. Failed to see from his point of view that time as a
short-term trader or investor for certain stocks.
All the
rules and regulations in this club are therefore very correct especially
when the time horizon is short. Unless one is really very sure about
the growth prospects and future value of a company (that does not pay
dividends yet), investing long term can be a " scary" affair and need
lots of patience. Anyway wish everyone HUAT!! Have a great Sunday and I shall be off to bed now.. =)
Stockcham ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 01:55) Posted:
Bro SF, good to see you here! Come join us and have some fun. We are all nice bros & sis. Don't chat stocks also can chat others. You are right cannot be too loud. What I feel is that for liquid stocks with thousands of buy/sell queue lots should have no effect. For low volumn and price spread counters really got effect. I tried not to post this kind of counters nowadays if possible. Anyway, I will take note of it. Kum sia bro!
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No problem Bro. Look forward to be in next month list.
Simpsons ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 12:17) Posted:
Bro skywarp_1, although membership is offically closed but this forum is still open to all. You will be the 1st on the list for next month. Kum siah and huat!..
skywarp_1 ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 11:22) Posted:
Hi Bro Simpsons,
Can I join too? Has been following this thread for past 2 weeks. Pretty informative n better than other threads |
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Adams Family rakes in millions at box office
Whoppi Goldberg fr Sister Act networth at 45mil
Not to shabby )
medivh ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 15:24) Posted:
more like Sister Act
or Adams Family
lol but I like your jokes both of you (" ,) (," )
muifan ( Date: 17-Aug-2013 23:16) Posted:
or they can also jio 300 members....
and call themselves....
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Welcome Bro and thanks for sharing your view! It's good to hear different view and we learn from there.
There are some points which I have different view as you.
Cutting Loss is essential regardless whether one play stocks for short term or invest for long term. If a company have problem like Vard previously, it is not a good idea to continue to hold it and see it drop day by day. So we cannot rule out loss system. Why not cut loss and use the money to buy other potential counters?.
Price always moves before Fundamentals. Techincal Analysis can provide signal whether there is any problem with the company or whether there is potential in the company. Of course, TA may not be so accuarate at times because of speculation or when a market crash. To buy a counter when you see the fundamental may be too late because you may be buying at higher price. In my opinion, buying a potential counter or you can see the value is a better choice. The return is much higher than buying a fundamentally sound company.
I agree with you that it is good to hold a counter but the issue here is how many counters can one hold. Many knows about holding stocks but you will need deep pocket to hold so many counters. Therefore, I believe many regular investors hold some and play some. When I say play, that would mean playing short term like contra. How many regulars just buy and hold without playing stocks. Yes, playing contras is not the best choice. But if one wants to play but don't have deep pocket to hold, then this is the only option. But that doesn't mean that playing contra will sure loss money. Yes, it is not easy but if you can have the correct skill, you still can makes some kopi money. On the issue of cut loss then bounce back, I think we can't avoid that. That is part and parcel of the game. Even if one hold a stock, it can still happened after he sell it.
On TA wise, I agreed that no need to use so many indicators.
Good luck and Huat ah!
star-trader ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 14:02) Posted:
My personal view only..
Rule 3) , though my initial trading was based on this (Eg: 7% stop loss,etc..) but no longer valid for my current trading system..
Basically,
1) In any technical analysis stocks you want to trade, should always ensure that Fundamental Analysis is intact for the stock that you want to trade, be it short,mid or long term.. This will minimal the risk, although I won't say totally eliminate all risks.
2) Never trade using contra as any stocks need time to nurture, like a " nurturing a plant" .. It can be 1,2 to 4 weeks..but sell when the target price is hit and reap profits.
Holding power is important..
------> Have you ever experienced, when you sold using cut loss system, and it bounced back again after that? With the right combination of technical indicators,time frame to lock a position of a certain stock ( Each stock got different dates to lock in, that's why you see uptrend/downtrend..except those in-active,low volume stocks..)
3) Do not use all the technical indicators, but rather choose those that you comfortable with, at least 3 to 5.. and not more than that.
3) Emotion..another big topic..
4) Many more..but can't finish in this page itself..
All the best and this is only my personal view..
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Suspended usually will take mths or yrs to b lifted bt some no news at all....nt vested cos vry vry lousy management.
churnw ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 16:16) Posted:
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I saw in Oceanus thread and news of suspension..
the only thing you can do now is hope for the best, plan for the worse
hope for the best: that it will lift soon.
plan for the worse: (meaning losing all)
churnw ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 16:16) Posted:
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Now you know why you are advisor, bro. Huat ah!
Stockcham ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 15:57) Posted:
Thanks bro for sharing your view. Nice sharing! I can see that you belong to the Investor Group. There's a difference between investing in stocks or playing stocks. To invest for a stable return, most of what you said is very true. To play a stock(for short term like contra), I think Technical Analysis and watching price movement are the priority. So it actually depend on individual whether they want to invest in a stock or play a stock.
A company can have very good fundamental and value but if BBs, Funds etc are not interested, the price still won't move. I personally won't buy this kind of counter and wait for BBs or Funds to get interested because I don't know how long I have to wait. I will prefer to buy a counter with potential and which BBs and Funds have immediate interest in it. Like that, I can see my return faster.
Juat my 2-cents worth!
Huat ah!
SFGuyRuleZ ( Date: 18-Aug-2013 15:19) Posted:
Haha yeap, doesn't mean that the longer we hold, the more money we make. My strategy is to buy stocks which are normally suppressed and undervalued after i run a check on it's fundamentals, and taking into account it's potential, growth prospects, risk and yield factor etc... I personally know fund managers who are always on a lookout for these stocks. To me whether retail investors or institutional investors, BBs or fund houses, etc..., we are all just a part of the market and would want to invest in something that has value and can grow. In terms of BB world, there is also not just one BB but many many many BBs, and all invisible forces of buying/selling, value investing, trading, speculation, etc... would interact to what we call the Market.
In terms of companies which no longer have any potential for further growth, one can also check the fundamentals of the company to access it's cash flow and debt, after which coming up with a risk/yield level to determine the price of the company stock. But for retail investors like most of us here are, it would be good to look at average dividends paid out annually. So I suppose if a company is risk-free, i can give it a conservative risk or discount factor of 0.04, and if it's average dividends paid out per year is like 0.125, the intrinsic value of the company as a mature and stable dividend-yield company with limited potential for growth would be $3.125. Corrections and volatility do occur in the short term but in the long term, prices will still match back to their fundamentals for these companies (unless their fundamentals really change). Therefore, for companies which no longer have any potential growth and if their annual dividends paid out per year is very little, it's intrinsic value would be matched accordingly (some S-chip companies pay really miserable dividends and I can't see how much growth they can produce with their retained earnings).
Ultimately, the thing I look out for in companies is whether they have value or not. And I would only buy if they are really cheap and considering their stability and risk, whether for capital gain companies or dividend-play companies. For capital gain companies, I would normally sell after it has reached my target price. Sorry for the long post as when I talked about investing, I can always go on and on. Investing is just like planting a tree. In terms of capital gain companies, is like you watch it grow from a seedling to a mature tree. For dividend-yield companies, is like you eat the fruits from the tree. A fruit tree that can produce many fruits (dividends) and on a land with fertile soil (cash-rich), and in an environment with stable weather conditions (debt/risk) will naturally fetch a high value once farmers and people (the Market) realize it. Lastly, thanks to Bro Simpsons for adding me.. Everyone HUAT!! =)
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haha im also more of the investor group.. but no harm playing short term with technicals:) any views on swiber? it has fallen few days which i think is 'cos profits for the quarter drop.. seem oversold a bit to me, and on friday inverted hammer form..
