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maxcty
    27-Aug-2009 21:51  
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weird weird weird......weird weird weird....how sti cheong tmr??? haiz........................
 
 
bennykusman
    27-Aug-2009 21:49  
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:( :(



aleoleo      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 21:46) Posted:

same feeling here ... just wanna to shout at DOW ....

watz going on? no logic at all, already few days liao never surge (all are good results), all close flat ...

wat the hell .....  by at this should cheong like hell mah ... damn



cheongwee      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 21:38) Posted:

what is this???minus...for good result...bad result even worse...wait i call BBB to push..they haven't start work yet..


 
 
aleoleo
    27-Aug-2009 21:46  
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same feeling here ... just wanna to shout at DOW ....

watz going on? no logic at all, already few days liao never surge (all are good results), all close flat ...

wat the hell .....  by at this should cheong like hell mah ... damn



cheongwee      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 21:38) Posted:

what is this???minus...for good result...bad result even worse...wait i call BBB to push..they haven't start work yet..

 

 
maxcty
    27-Aug-2009 21:44  
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what is wrong??? minus even more now.....on good news......
 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 21:38  
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what is this???minus...for good result...bad result even worse...wait i call BBB to push..they haven't start work yet..
 
 
jing77
    27-Aug-2009 21:37  
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does the opening shows the stocks are getting "immune" to the good news?
 

 
handon
    27-Aug-2009 21:34  
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my boss said very ugly and weekend Efffect on the way... hehe... Smiley
 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 21:28  
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Woman are chun... ....and tonite..why not we predict how amny pts dow will close...just for fun...

i said 150 pts up...heehehehehehe...tomolo my QAF wrt will be hot ..

all correct...because Obama take a holiday, he know he can relax a little......the result will be alright.. ..his holiday give the clue....and Big Ben talk big..so...ho say liao...

but friday..but i thk this friday will be different..



cheongwee      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 17:49) Posted:

I like you, we girl are all chun...you say correctly, but i thk all data point to a good GDP.

recant data is good..so expect GDP to improve...jobless claim shd be fine..

no wonder Obama can afford to holiday...and Ben also say good thing abt the economy..

but friday always selling, so..i thk selling will be bought over by me..and those ppl here.

we are bullish till late summer..if dow is to beat the 1st depression rally, iti got to top 10500!!!

i bet this rd it go to 10500!!!..no more 9800..dyodd,,,my personnal prediction ..not HS Dent..



singaporegal      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 15:13) Posted:



Many important US reports out tonight. GDP, PCE and Jobless Claims.


Market will be cautious. Watch out for these.


 
 
aleoleo
    27-Aug-2009 20:55  
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Tonite the result is good, hopefully DOW will surge up tonite to lead the regional market tomolo ...

as month end closing, should be a beautiful ending
 
 
ronleech
    27-Aug-2009 20:46  
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20:36 Reuters U.S. economy shrinks at 1 pct rate in Q2
  20:34 Reuters New US jobless claims fall,continued at 4-month low
 

 
Integrity
    27-Aug-2009 19:11  
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You might be right, this artificial rally may last a while longer, however i do believe the profit will not be much even if i enter the market now.

Risk is very high in the equities and for the time being, i will sit firmly on my cash and gold.

Outside, the sky is dark and the wind is strong but many ppl are still out there thinking the storm has past which i strongly believe another bigger storm is on the way.

I am preparing for the worst and i prayed that it will never happen.

 
 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 18:55  
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you like gold, so do i, but i suggest u wait awhile...gold is coming down , my guess..

my guess is this...late summer..to mid oct...stock collapse....gold and oil together pull down by it,,,

the dollar will soar..( safe haven)...then come 2010...gold and silve to soar...oil soar..

stagflation..have arrived....2010 belong to gold and silver....you are right to buy gold..



Integrity      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 18:29) Posted:



I will use my cash on Gold or Silver now rather than equities, have no confidence in paper now.

Gold will be my insurance for the time being...

Equities will be out of my portfoilio, maybe for a long long time.

 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 18:51  
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i am not saying you are wrong, but on the contrary i am of the same opinion as you are...

but there is a rally going on right now , right? why not profit from it...just join me at  my guocoleisure or wan xiang, and qianhu, to make $$$..pls dyodd.

all my stock are hot...tiong woon, li heng , mermaid, CAE,..and many more..

make hay while the sun shines....why wait for the sun to go down...you can make $$$ now.

i thk i like Qianhu..if i will you, still have yet to rocket..jmo...pls dyodd..



Integrity      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 18:39) Posted:

Almost 1 out of 5 adult American does not have a job, this is a major concern for now

 
 
Integrity
    27-Aug-2009 18:39  
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Almost 1 out of 5 adult American does not have a job, this is a major concern for now
 
 
Integrity
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I will use my cash on Gold or Silver now rather than equities, have no confidence in paper now.

Gold will be my insurance for the time being...

Equities will be out of my portfoilio, maybe for a long long time.
 

 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 18:15  
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integrity...i suggest that you buy and what we do is run on big bad news...there are no other mehtod i can thk of, if we want to profit fr this rally,

we cannot afford to stay side line...you read the last few line...

it is a crazy market, dont quarrel and argue with the market...you lose for sure..

follow the trend..fast and make the last $$$...i am still pessimistic..really.

and we dont rule out any expert like HS Dent or snybody....wait the laugh will be on us...

we just be alert, got nothing to lose, if he is wrong or right...

 

Finally, Ross said that even though many experts (including him) believe that some pause in the market rally is inevitable, it's almost impossible to try and pinpoint when the pullback would start. In other words, stocks could continue heading higher despite the complaints about how frothy the market is.

"I don't think there's a rational investor out there who doesn't realize this market is overbought. But it could be overbought for months and months and months," Ross said.

Talkback: Will stocks continue to surge after Labor Day or is another big plunge l

 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 18:04  
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You know this owrd by Alan Greenspan

"IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE"

I THK U FOLLOW MY SUGGESTION, BEFORE THIS RALLY REALLY COME TO AN END....YOU PLS READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH ..I HIGHLIGHT WITH YELLOW.

 

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Shares of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been ablaze in August while Citigroup and Bank of America have enjoyed scorching rerurns as well.
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- They say you can't trust the government. Don't tell that to Wall Street traders.

A bizarre trend has emerged during these hazy, lazy days of late summer. Overall market volume is unsurprisingly wafer-thin, but a big chunk of trading has been in just four financial companies that have received a healthy dose of support from Washington in order to make it through the credit crisis.

For the past few days, Citigroup (C, Fortune 500) (which taxpayers now own a third of), mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM, Fortune 500) and Freddie Mac (FRE, Fortune 500) (which were placed under government conservatorship last September) and Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) (which has needed $45 billion in bailout funds) have been far and away the most actively traded stocks on the New York Stock Exchange.

In fact, these four wounded horsemen of the financial sector comprised 40% of the overall trading volume on the NYSE on Tuesday. These stocks haven't just been active, they've been surging.

This is kind of scary. It suggests that the late-summer portion of the almost six-month long market rally is being fueled more by speculation and momentum, not real optimism about a potential recovery in the financial sector and the overall economy.

"Anecdotally, I don't know anyone that really loves the market but it continues to go up," said John Norris, managing director of wealth management with Oakworth Capital Bank in Birmingham, Ala. "Whenever you have a concentration in a small group of stocks, it's worrisome. Perhaps it could be a sign that this rally is set to peter out."

Sure, there are legitimate reasons to be a little more excited about the outlook for the economy and markets. It does seem like the housing market may finally have hit bottom. Business spending appears to be picking up.

Nonetheless, experts said it would be more encouraging if the rally moved beyond this Gang of Four.

"People are taking more risk, which is a positive. And you can't fight the tape. But this rally is too selective," said Keith Springer, president of Capital Financial Advisory Services, a Sacramento, Calif.-based investment advisory firm. "The broader the rally, the more support it's going to have."

What's more, it's reasonable to worry that the market has simply done a 180 from last fall and earlier this year. After the Lehman Brothers' collapse, traders ignored anything that wasn't a sign of the impending apocalypse. Now, investors seem to be dismissing any news that suggests a recovery won't be robust.

Consumers still are reluctant to take out their wallets for anything but essentials -- or government-subsidized new cars.

And while Fannie, Freddie and the big banks probably no longer need to have a priest sitting by their deathbeds getting ready to read them their last rites, they're far from being healthy just yet.

"You have to scratch your head a little bit. All this volume has been in four huge financials that really have stunk," Norris said. "But there is nothing out there to suggest huge spike in economic activity. We're getting way ahead of ourselves."

Of course, many of the investors that are buying Citi, BofA, Fannie and Freddie probably aren't doing so based on any notion that they're going to all report strong financial results in the near-term. It's a speculative bet that the worst is at least over.

You could argue that all four stocks were oversold earlier this year and are now just returning back to some semblance of a fair price. That may be true. But momentum has driven the stocks up so much in light (not to mention volatile) trading.

"This rally is starting to get me very concerned. We've gotten the bounce that would be appropriate given how far things fell after last fall. Financials were mercilessly destroyed," said Gary Hager, founder and chief executive officer of Integrated Wealth Management, a financial planning firm based in Edison, N.J. "But things are starting to get out of hand and some of them have run up too far."

So you can't help but worry about what happens once more traders return from vacation. If investors decide enough is enough with this "cash for trash" rally and seek to lock in gains, these stocks could be in for a bloodletting. Momentum works both ways after all.

"I think you're seeing people buy with their left hand but their right hand is on the sell button waiting to get out. So if the market falls there could be little support on the down side," Springer said.

However, not everybody thinks that the financials, or the broader market, are doomed for another big plunge this fall.

Hager said that while he expects some sort of sell-off, there still is enough cash on the sidelines that could limit the pain. He added that "too many good things are starting to happen" in the economy to lead to another massive correction.

Eric Ross, director of U.S. research for Canaccord Adams, an investment bank, agreed. He said people cannot underestimate how important an improvement in housing will be for the financial services industry and broader economy.

Given that housing is what led us into this recession, Ross said that better home sales and prices should lead to a more stable banking sector. And if lenders can get back on track, that will go a long way toward fixing the problems in the economy.

Finally, Ross said that even though many experts (including him) believe that some pause in the market rally is inevitable, it's almost impossible to try and pinpoint when the pullback would start. In other words, stocks could continue heading higher despite the complaints about how frothy the market is.

"I don't think there's a rational investor out there who doesn't realize this market is overbought. But it could be overbought for months and months and months," Ross said.

Talkback: Will stocks continue to surge after Labor Day or is another big plunge looming this fall? Share your comments below. To top of page



Integrity      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 13:15) Posted:

Market is beginning for correction as sellers is currently more than buyers, tomorrow is Friday so do expect even more downturn.

 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 17:59  
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My profit is so much that i am going bonker..., and it is my wish that HS Dent is not only dented....but very very badly dented..and Roubini can go and push lamboghini...not drive..ah..cause got sack by university for wrong call.....

so we can continue the partying...hehehehehe..



richtan      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 11:18) Posted:



Hahaha... will H.S. Dent be dented like Roubini (see below):

Applying Roubini Wisdom to Stocks Means Missing Out (Update3)
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By Whitney Kisling


Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Making money on the thinking of Nouriel Roubini isn’t what it used to be.

The New York University professor, who in 2006 foretold the worst financial unraveling since the Great Depression, has yet to say the economy is worth investing in again. “There is a big risk of a double-dip recession,” wrote Roubini, also known as Dr. Doom, in his column in the Financial Times this week.

Anyone attempting to apply Roubini’s wisdom to stocks may be forgiven for missing the biggest rally since the 1930s as the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index climbed 52 percent in six months. While Roubini said in March the advance was a “dead-cat bounce,” that it may “fizzle” in May and warned in July that the economy’s “not out of the woods,” the MSCI World Index was posting a 58 percent gain, the largest since it began in 1970.

“We’re looking at a bull cycle in phase one,” Laszlo Birinyi said in a telephone interview yesterday. Birinyi was the top-ranked Dow Jones Industrial Average forecaster for most of the 1990s on PBS’s “Wall Street Week with Louis Rukeyser.” “No one wants to come out and say, ‘This is a bull market.’ Everyone’s just dancing around the term,” he said.

The S&P 500 added 14 percent since Westport, Connecticut- based Birinyi Associates Inc., which manages $350 million, said on May 20 that a bull market had begun, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Roubini, who forecast in October 2008 that the U.S. was in a recession that would last 24 months, said on March 9 that the index might fall back to 600. It has risen to 1,028 since then.

$4 Trillion Gained

The S&P 500 increased 0.12 point, or less than 1 percent, to 1,028.12 at 4 p.m. in New York today, rising for the sixth time in seven days. The MSCI World Index slipped 0.4 percent.

About $4 trillion has been restored to U.S. equity markets since March following better-than-forecast corporate profits and signs of an improving economy. More than 72 percent of the S&P 500’s companies beat analysts’ average estimates for second- quarter earnings, matching the highest proportion since Bloomberg began tracking the data in 1993. The Conference Board’s index of leading economic indicators has risen four consecutive months.

Roubini’s July 2006 warning about the financial crisis protected investors from losses in the S&P 500’s worst annual tumble in seven decades. He also correctly warned investors to avoid stocks following the steepest advances in 2008.

On Dec. 12, he said U.S. stocks might fall 20 percent after the S&P 500 gained 17 percent in three weeks. The index lost 23 percent through March 9, 2009. During an 18 percent jump in the index between Oct. 27 and Nov. 4, Roubini warned the S&P 500 might reverse course and lose 30 percent. It dropped 28 percent through March.

‘Understand the Market’

He may have missed this year’s bull market because Roubini isn’t focused on stocks, according to Birinyi.

Roubini has “done a very good job on the economy,” Birinyi said in an interview Aug. 24. “Our approach is to try to understand the market and not try to do much more than that.”

Jonathan D. Goldberg, a New York-based spokesman for Roubini, said he wasn’t available to comment because he’s on vacation.

Roubini, 51, wrote this week in the Financial Times that the economy may worsen again even after it stops shrinking this year. The global contraction will bottom in the second half of 2009, and the recession in the U.S. won’t be “formally over” before the end of the year, he said.

‘Fizzle Out’

The forecast was a reiteration of Roubini’s call for an 18- to 24-month contraction that he made in October 2008. The recession began in December 2007, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research’s Business Cycle Dating Committee.

Roubini told Bloomberg Television on May 13 that the stock market’s rally “might fizzle out,” citing expectations for weak growth in earnings. On March 9, he said it was “highly likely” the S&P 500 would fall to 600 or below because of plunging profits, an accelerating contraction in the global economy and a deteriorating outlook for banks.

The index reached a 12-year low of 676.53 that day and has since climbed for almost six months. Reports on industrial production, housing starts and car sales, along with comments from the Federal Reserve that the economy is “leveling out,” helped boost equities in the world’s largest economy.

In July 2006, Roubini predicted the financial crisis that led to $1.6 trillion in credit-related losses and writedowns. He forecast a “catastrophic” meltdown in February 2008, leading to the bankruptcy of large banks with mortgage holdings and a “sharp drop” in equities.

Bear Stearns, Lehman

Since then, Bear Stearns Cos. and Merrill Lynch & Co. were taken over, American International Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc. required government bailouts and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for the world’s biggest bankruptcy. All the companies were based in New York.

Birinyi, 65, who spent a decade on the trading desk at Salomon Brothers Inc. before founding Birinyi Associates in 1989, said on May 20 that the S&P 500 may reach 1,700 by 2011, shifting from his April 13 call that the market had risen too much “by almost every measure.” In October 2007, he told investors to avoid bank stocks, saying bad loans and lower revenue from underwriting would damp earnings. The S&P 500 Financials Index then plunged 82 percent through March 6, 2009.

“Both of them just have a pretty deep understanding of the history of economic and business cycles,” said Eric Teal, who oversees $5 billion as chief investment officer at First Citizens Bank in Raleigh, North Carolina. “Roubini has just had more of an academic background, whereas Birinyi has been much more in the spotlight managing money and working in capital markets.”

Growth Forecasts

The U.S. economy has contracted four straight quarters. It will expand 2.2 percent during the third quarter and 2 percent in the fourth, before growing 2.3 percent in 2010, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

Roubini, who received a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard University in 1988, was a member of Yale University’s faculty until joining NYU in 1995. He started his consulting firm, Roubini Global Economics LLC, in 2004, providing subscribers access to written and broadcast commentary and archived data. The firm’s 1,300 institutional clients include asset managers and hedge funds, as well as investment banks and universities. Roubini doesn’t invest any money on behalf of customers.

“There’s a lot more weight behind pundits who put their money where their mouth is,” said Jack Ablin, who oversees $60 billion as chief investment officer of Harris Private Bank in Chicago. “Where I get up and pay attention is when I see someone who’s been bearish go bullish.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Whitney Kisling in New York at wkisling@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: August 26, 2009 17:43 EDT

 
 
cheongwee
    27-Aug-2009 17:49  
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I like you, we girl are all chun...you say correctly, but i thk all data point to a good GDP.

recant data is good..so expect GDP to improve...jobless claim shd be fine..

no wonder Obama can afford to holiday...and Ben also say good thing abt the economy..

but friday always selling, so..i thk selling will be bought over by me..and those ppl here.

we are bullish till late summer..if dow is to beat the 1st depression rally, iti got to top 10500!!!

i bet this rd it go to 10500!!!..no more 9800..dyodd,,,my personnal prediction ..not HS Dent..



singaporegal      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 15:13) Posted:



Many important US reports out tonight. GDP, PCE and Jobless Claims.


Market will be cautious. Watch out for these.

 
 
richtan
    27-Aug-2009 15:37  
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U-hoo, mkt is beginning to go up now, still going strong, still no correction, so far, so good.

Mkt movement is not so simplistic and not cast in stones, not necessary means Fri, it must go down, it may go up or down, nobody knows unless saints with divine powers.



Integrity      ( Date: 27-Aug-2009 13:15) Posted:

Market is beginning for correction as sellers is currently more than buyers, tomorrow is Friday so do expect even more downturn.

 
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