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daylight28
    19-Sep-2012 19:31  
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Bought some at 39 cts in the afternoon. Waiting for 50 cts to come
 
 
shadowmoon
    19-Sep-2012 17:39  
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Wait for it to touch 50cent....

This baby got more to go.

Today alot ganchio sell off to profit....

 
 
 
cheng987
    19-Sep-2012 15:38  
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IFtoday got short sell it may chiong up to 43 or 44 cents
 

 
merlin_magic
    19-Sep-2012 13:18  
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Angry..Could have earned more... Ok ok be contented.... Tonight goes NTUC to buy more Chang Beer.... haha .... Credos to the Thais.......
 
 
wesely2k
    19-Sep-2012 12:21  
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Hahahaaha.....sui sui run at 0.415, 50% of holding. The rest will die die no 0.50 no sell.

Good luck to all bros
 
 
wesely2k
    19-Sep-2012 12:00  
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KNS.....buay hu sell at 0.415 then coming down....ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.Shit...profit taking. Now no 0.50 don't want to sell.

 
 

 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 11:48  
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why you so kanchiong.... touched .410 already

merlin_magic      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 11:45) Posted:

Bought at 37 an hour again and let go at 40... Power of Chang beer

 
 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 11:45  
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Hit .40 cents already

 

wesely2k      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 11:25) Posted:

0.375 Now.....Heee 0.40???

 
 
merlin_magic
    19-Sep-2012 11:45  
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Bought at 37 an hour again and let go at 40... Power of Chang beer
 
 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 11:43  
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ThaiBev rating under review: Moody's
It cites uncertainties over group's direction following Charoen's F& N bid
BT 20120919 TSTHAI19 170888


Mr Charoen: His takeover bid for F& N also brews fresh uncertainty over F& N's plan to sell its stake in APB to Heineken - PHOTO:  THAI BEVERAGE


MOODY'S Investors Service yesterday said its Baa2 rating for Thai Beverage remains on review for a downgrade after its controlling shareholder Charoen Sirivadhanabhakdi last week mounted a takeover bid for Fraser & Neave (F& N) via TCC Assets.

Although Mr Charoen's $8.8 billion offer for the close to 70 per cent of F& N he does not yet control has no immediate impact on ThaiBev's ratings, the move raises uncertainty over the Thai tycoon's motivations and influence over the group's strategic direction, Moody's vice-president and senior analyst Annalisa di Chiara said.

There is also uncertainty over its potential exposure to non-core businesses like real-estate, she added. Apart from its non-beer food and beverage businesses, F& N owns through Frasers Centrepoint a portfolio of residential, commercial and hospitality assets estimated to be worth billions.

The F& N stake held by ThaiBev, TCC Assets and other related parties had risen past the 30 per cent mark last week, triggering a mandatory offer.

News of the bid sent F& N's share price surging last week. Yesterday, it rose to a high of $9.01 before closing unchanged at $8.97, above Mr Charoen's offer price of $8.88 per share.

A disclosure announcement yesterday showed that Prudential's funds' combined stake in F& N has dropped to 7.8063 per cent from about 8 per cent last week. Its unit Eastspring Investments sold 2.5 million F& N shares at $8.70 each on Thursday and 150,000 shares at $8.97 on Friday. Another Prudential subsidiary, Jackson National Asset Management, bought 5,000 F& N shares at $8.92 a piece on Thursday.

Mr Charoen's takeover bid also brews fresh uncertainty over F& N's plan to sell its stake in Tiger Beer maker Asia Pacific Breweries (APB) to Dutch brewer Heineken.

The Thai parties have given no indication of how they will vote on Heineken's improved $5.6 billion offer for F& N's APB stake. That has won approval from F& N board's but still needs shareholder approval at the extraordinary general meeting on Sept 28.

" Should Heineken's bid for APB be successful, we expect ThaiBev to use a portion of the sales proceeds to reduce debt on its balance sheet, which would be credit positive," Ms Di Chiara says. But greater exposure to unrelated businesses like real estate also means new execution risks and a more aggressive risk tolerance from management, which are credit negative.

If Heineken's bid falls through and F& N retains ownership of APB, Moody's sees this as credit positive for ThaiBev. But that could be offset by the weakening in the company's financial profile.

Moody's calculates that the company's current leverage position as measured by debt/Ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation), is about 3.5 times, higher than its historical level of less than 1x. So far, ThaiBev has spent around $3.6 billion to acquire its own accumulated 28.9 per cent stake in F& N, largely funded with debt.

ThaiBev closed unchanged at 34.5 cents a share. APB rose 9 cents, or 0.17 per cent, to $53.09 a share.
 

 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 11:32  
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woa!! up to .39 cents already. 
 
 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 11:27  
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This counter is going berserk!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
wesely2k
    19-Sep-2012 11:25  
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0.375 Now.....Heee 0.40???
 
 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 11:23  
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Yiha!!!! vrooom vrooommmmmm Smiley

shadowmoon      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 11:11) Posted:



Bro  hit 0.37 liao....

Cheers.

sanuks      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 10:58) Posted:



Same thinking here. Lets see. 

Its not easy to be a top 5 richest man in Thailand (Population - 69,518,555).


 
 
shadowmoon
    19-Sep-2012 11:11  
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Bro  hit 0.37 liao....

Cheers.

sanuks      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 10:58) Posted:



Same thinking here. Lets see. 

Its not easy to be a top 5 richest man in Thailand (Population - 69,518,555).

shadowmoon      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 10:43) Posted:



Hello Merlin, we are not targeting for any special divi. But more of future F& N earning will become ThaiBev extra earning chips.

That millions (now we include those future acquired one) will be used to reduce the acquire cost of F& N.

N let me repeat again, the Thai will possibiliy sell those units from F& N that they not interested to keep...

 

This Thai Guys got track record in Thailand, in acquiring company one. He is not that naive to buy something he don't want...

Let the story continue.....N let see how the ending will be....

CHEERIO...


 

 
merlin_magic
    19-Sep-2012 11:10  
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I am wrong...37 cents..Ok ok...jumped in again at 37 cents...tripe the stake this time....
 
 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 10:58  
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Same thinking here. Lets see. 

Its not easy to be a top 5 richest man in Thailand (Population - 69,518,555).

shadowmoon      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 10:43) Posted:



Hello Merlin, we are not targeting for any special divi. But more of future F& N earning will become ThaiBev extra earning chips.

That millions (now we include those future acquired one) will be used to reduce the acquire cost of F& N.

N let me repeat again, the Thai will possibiliy sell those units from F& N that they not interested to keep...

 

This Thai Guys got track record in Thailand, in acquiring company one. He is not that naive to buy something he don't want...

Let the story continue.....N let see how the ending will be....

CHEERIO....

merlin_magic      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 10:17) Posted:



The million  or more from APB sale which will be earned by Thai Bev will go into the takeover funds for F& N itself and not distribute in the form of special dividend... No doubt long term is good but short term prospects  is murky

But hor, I believe Thai Bev share price will shoot up on the conclusion of the F& N EGM in which the sales of APB to Heineken is finalised... Thereafter its share price will drop as investors focusing on its debt leverage (given its mandatory takeover for F& N) as the APB sales is out of the picture....


 
 
francisd
    19-Sep-2012 10:45  
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I believe this is the counter to buy and hold for long time since they are going to reap dividends from F& N and @ the sametime from diversification

of this co.  Cheers.

 
 
 
shadowmoon
    19-Sep-2012 10:43  
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Hello Merlin, we are not targeting for any special divi. But more of future F& N earning will become ThaiBev extra earning chips.

That millions (now we include those future acquired one) will be used to reduce the acquire cost of F& N.

N let me repeat again, the Thai will possibiliy sell those units from F& N that they not interested to keep...

 

This Thai Guys got track record in Thailand, in acquiring company one. He is not that naive to buy something he don't want...

Let the story continue.....N let see how the ending will be....

CHEERIO....

merlin_magic      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 10:17) Posted:



The million  or more from APB sale which will be earned by Thai Bev will go into the takeover funds for F& N itself and not distribute in the form of special dividend... No doubt long term is good but short term prospects  is murky

But hor, I believe Thai Bev share price will shoot up on the conclusion of the F& N EGM in which the sales of APB to Heineken is finalised... Thereafter its share price will drop as investors focusing on its debt leverage (given its mandatory takeover for F& N) as the APB sales is out of the picture....

 
 
sanuks
    19-Sep-2012 10:39  
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IG Markets Singapore noted:

While Wall Street and Europe saw subdued trading last night the big news of the day concerns a happy conclusion in the long-running battle for Asia Pacific Breweries.

Thai tycoon Charoen has backed down and handed Heineken a free passage to takeover APB, while he pursues the acquisition of its joint parent company Fraser & Neave.

Many had been gearing up for a tussle between the Thais and the Dutch brewer but Charoen perhaps sees more value in the break-up of F& N, which has seen its share price rise above the offer price of $8.88.

F& N has a substantial property portfolio worth more than $8 billion along with a lucrative soft drinks division, assets that Charoen is more than familiar with. As a shrewd investor and Thailand’s third richest man he may offer Japanese rival and fellow F& N shareholder Kirin the sweetener of the soft drinks business if it supports his takeover bid at the EGM on September 28.

So it could be a win-win for everyone involved. Heineken gets its prized asset of APB, the Thais get a good price which will help fund their takeover of F& N, shareholders see the true value of F& N unlocked via its break-up and a possible bidding war from the likes of Kirin and Coca-Cola while Heineken and ThaiBev may extend their distribution via APB.

shadowmoon      ( Date: 19-Sep-2012 09:59) Posted:



Sell too early. THBev will benefit about a million or more from APB sale.

Its share price will up further.

 
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