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pharoah88
    27-Jul-2010 10:02  
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pharoah88
    27-Jul-2010 09:38  
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When  stocks  rise,  GOLD  don't  rise ? ? ? ?

Because  money  will flow into stocks ? ? ? ?



niuyear      ( Date: 27-Jul-2010 09:30) Posted:

Over the Bloomberg news that  US stocks will rise 20%.   If this is so, then,  gold price unlikely to raise higher.?

 
 
niuyear
    27-Jul-2010 09:30  
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Over the Bloomberg news that  US stocks will rise 20%.   If this is so, then,  gold price unlikely to raise higher.?
 

 
niuyear
    15-Jul-2010 16:37  
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Ok, tks both of you replying to the question and posting the link for info.  :)

 
 
 
alooloo
    15-Jul-2010 16:22  
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Here some additional info i found... but honestly, i still need time to understand it... Smiley

 http://www.spdrgoldshares.com/sites/sg/value/




alexchia01      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 16:11) Posted:

GLD 10US$ is traded at 1/10 of the Spot Gold Price.

If Spot Gold is trading at US$1,090, then GLD 10US$ would be traded around US$109.

You are right that there is a fee and commission charged, so GLD 10US$ will not be traded exactly at 1/10 of Spot Gold Price. But the price will be close.



niuyear      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 15:05) Posted:

I dont know also.    Why is it called GLD US10,  i also no idea.   Is it got to do with the fees and commissions SGX charging .

I am planning to buy when it dips to $109 ?  



 
 
alexchia01
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GLD 10US$ is traded at 1/10 of the Spot Gold Price.

If Spot Gold is trading at US$1,090, then GLD 10US$ would be traded around US$109.

You are right that there is a fee and commission charged, so GLD 10US$ will not be traded exactly at 1/10 of Spot Gold Price. But the price will be close.



niuyear      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 15:05) Posted:

I dont know also.    Why is it called GLD US10,  i also no idea.   Is it got to do with the fees and commissions SGX charging .

I am planning to buy when it dips to $109 ?  



alooloo      ( Date: 14-Jul-2010 09:34) Posted:

how is this work? why the price is not correlate to Gold trading??


 

 
pharoah88
    15-Jul-2010 15:45  
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Despite the Greek crisis, some fundamental factors may still drive gold prices up in coming months

All that glitters is GOLD

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In the first six months of this year, against the backdrop of very volatile global equities markets, gold bullion has gained over 13 per cent to finish at US$1,242 per ounce at the end of last month on the back of continued investor concerns over the Greek debt crisis and the prospect of contagion.

With gold hitting all-time highs in several currencies in recent weeks including the euro, we thought it would be worthwhile to remind investors of the fundamental factors which may drive the gold price in coming months and years.

ver the past nine years, gold has managed to post successive increases in its annual average price, navigating the choppiest of waters.Demand Side

We continue to see strong investment demand for gold, with investors viewing gold, a real asset, as a hedge against medium-term inflationary pressures and potential US dollar weakness, while also providing important diversification benefits as investors continue to look to gold as a safe haven asset and an alternative currency in the face of volatile currency markets.

These issues, in our view, may take some time to resolve.

Jewellery demand, which has in the past made up the largest component of total consumption, has been weak during the credit crisis.

It was down by around 20 per cent last year but has remained strong in emerging markets and is likely to grow in the future.

Indian gold imports were 30 tonnes in March, an 84 per cent increase compared to last year.

It is believed that this may have been driven by restocking by Indian jewellers in advance of the Indian wedding season.

An estimated one million weddings were believed to have taken place in India between April and May alone.

The World Gold Council announced that they expected the demand for gold in China to double over the forthcoming decade.

They forecast this coming from both jewellery and investment demand, as the world’s fastest growing consumer of the yellow metal has more than doubled its share of global demand in the past seven years — from 5 per cent to 11 per cent.

Supply Side

Since mine supply peaked in 2001, the gold mining industry has been struggling to grow production.

Despite an increase of 6 per cent (by 144 tonnes) last year, which was mainly driven by the Grasberg Mine in the province of Papua in Indonesia, there is little material sign of growth during the coming few years.

In fact, there are few operations next year and in 2012 of notable size and others are exhausted so the growth in supply we saw last year may be offset by declines elsewhere.

We estimate that the allin cost for a new ounce of production is between US$850 to US$900 per ounce once exploration, capital expenditure and operating costs are taken into account.

In addition, those areas where gold mineralisation is being discovered tend to be in regions of higher political risk.

At the current price there is not sufficient incentive for gold mining companies to bring on significant amounts of new supply.

Cen tral Banks

We have seen developing countries (most notably, China and India) increasing their gold reserves as they seek to diversify their Foreign Exchange Reserves, in particular to reduce their exposure to the US dollar.

It is also notable that recently there has been a distinct lack of gold supply into the market from European Central Bank and the only known vendor has been the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Over the past few years, around 400 tonnes of gold has typically been sold into the market by both Central Banks and the IMF.

In this year so far, the IMF sold limited volumes, indicating that central banks are increasingly reluctant to sell down their gold holdings.

The conclusion that can be drawn from this is that gold is now seriously considered by Central Banks as a monetary asset and a useful source of diversification in a way that has not been seen for at least the last two decades.

Whilst the immediate impact of this strategic shift on the gold price may be limited to possible supply curtailments, the long-term implications are extremely supportive as looking back over the last fifty years.

Central Banks have tended to be a good indicator of broader investor appetite for gold.A key recent development is the strategic shift in the attitude of the world’s Central Banks towards gold.

Still a safe haven asset

Whilst uncertainty remains in financial markets and concerns shift from corporate debt to sovereign debt, investors may continue to look to gold as a safe haven asset and an alternative currency as gold reaches all time highs in euro and sterling terms.

Also, investors are increasingly looking to gold as a hedge against inflation and potential US dollar weakness.

In terms of supply, long term fundamentals remain tight with little sign of any material increases in mine production, and central bank supply is also at reduced levels which for many years was a notable source of supply. Market fundamentals suggest that gold prices are well supported.

The writer is managing director and joint chief investment officer of the natural resources team at BlackRock.

 

 
 
niuyear
    15-Jul-2010 15:05  
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I dont know also.    Why is it called GLD US10,  i also no idea.   Is it got to do with the fees and commissions SGX charging .

I am planning to buy when it dips to $109 ?  



alooloo      ( Date: 14-Jul-2010 09:34) Posted:

how is this work? why the price is not correlate to Gold trading??


niuyear      ( Date: 12-Jul-2010 14:42) Posted:

hahaha.  if this stock is  trading at US1500 in SGX ,    then gold spot will be trading at 1000 times more than now (1,209).   I musst be dreaming.


 
 
alooloo
    15-Jul-2010 13:46  
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Smiley

obviously, he have some grief with the reality...



alexchia01      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 12:08) Posted:

Is this same for all Currencies, Stocks and Commodities?

Everything is manipulated in one way or another.

Show me one thing that is not manipulated and I'll show one worthless thing. Smiley



pharoah88      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 11:10) Posted:



GOLD PRiCE is ALL MAN-MADE and  ARTiFiCiAL . . . .

GOLD  PRiCE  is  DRiVEN  by  INTERNAL  iNFLATiON

generated  by 

Market Maker's Mark Ups

Funds Speculations

Central Banks'  Monetary Policies

Government Fiscal Policies

tO  DiSGUiSE  GROWTH

in Order to  KEEP INCREASING  OWN  COMPENSATION

 # # # #

WHERE there is TRUE  COMPETITION in TRUE OPEN FREE MARKET for eletronics and home appliances and garments and toys, et cetera

PRiCES  kept  fallIng  nOn-SToP . . . .

WHERE  gOt  iNFLATiON ? ? ? ? 

WHEN withOUT  MANiPULATiON  ? ? ? ?


 
 
alexchia01
    15-Jul-2010 12:08  
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Is this same for all Currencies, Stocks and Commodities?

Everything is manipulated in one way or another.

Show me one thing that is not manipulated and I'll show one worthless thing. Smiley



pharoah88      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 11:10) Posted:



GOLD PRiCE is ALL MAN-MADE and  ARTiFiCiAL . . . .

GOLD  PRiCE  is  DRiVEN  by  INTERNAL  iNFLATiON

generated  by 

Market Maker's Mark Ups

Funds Speculations

Central Banks'  Monetary Policies

Government Fiscal Policies

tO  DiSGUiSE  GROWTH

in Order to  KEEP INCREASING  OWN  COMPENSATION

 # # # #

WHERE there is TRUE  COMPETITION in TRUE OPEN FREE MARKET for eletronics and home appliances and garments and toys, et cetera

PRiCES  kept  fallIng  nOn-SToP . . . .

WHERE  gOt  iNFLATiON ? ? ? ? 

WHEN withOUT  MANiPULATiON  ? ? ? ?

 

 
poboxfor
    15-Jul-2010 11:12  
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> Gold is also controlled by World Gold Council and there is a treaty restricting central banks from selling/buying too much Gold. All these give stability to Gold Price. This is why gold keeps going up.

Yes, read "Buy Gold Now" that each country is restricted to sell only 500t each year. And guess what, instead of the countries selling them with their max quota, the past few years, they didn't even hit the quota. And some countries are buying instead..

And there's 1 portion of the book that mentioned about Silver also. It mentioned that the US has already sold all their Silver away (however they still have the largest gold collection in their Fort Knox - though no one has ever seen it). And every year US-Mint needs to make silver coins. As such the US government buying Silver in the open market now.
 
 
pharoah88
    15-Jul-2010 11:10  
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GOLD PRiCE is ALL MAN-MADE and  ARTiFiCiAL . . . .

GOLD  PRiCE  is  DRiVEN  by  INTERNAL  iNFLATiON

generated  by 

Market Maker's Mark Ups

Funds Speculations

Central Banks'  Monetary Policies

Government Fiscal Policies

tO  DiSGUiSE  GROWTH

in Order to  KEEP INCREASING  OWN  COMPENSATION

 # # # #

WHERE there is TRUE  COMPETITION in TRUE OPEN FREE MARKET for eletronics and home appliances and garments and toys, et cetera

PRiCES  kept  fallIng  nOn-SToP . . . .

WHERE  gOt  iNFLATiON ? ? ? ? 

WHEN withOUT  MANiPULATiON  ? ? ? ?
 
 
pharoah88
    15-Jul-2010 11:01  
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whenever there is a Market Maker . . . .

Market Maker  is  making money from the market

ALL  THE  TiME . . . .
 
 
alexchia01
    15-Jul-2010 10:51  
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If you are talking about Gold Savings Account, then you are correct.

But if you are talking about GLD 10US$, then you are wrong.

GLD 10US$ works like any other share, the management fee and commission is already factor into the your purchase.

When you Buy GLD 10US$, you pay for the commission + management fee once, and you don't have to pay any more fees until you sell them.

Gold is purely a Capital Gain Play.

Gold is both a Commodity and Financial Instrument, used by jewelry, electronic and financial industry. Gold cannot be manufactured, it can only be mined and there is not enough to go around for everyone. There is a high demand for Gold and limited supply.

Gold is also controlled by World Gold Council and there is a treaty restricting central banks from selling/buying too much Gold. All these give stability to Gold Price. This is why gold keeps going up.

Of course Gold price can goes down during economic turbulence, but so do all good stocks and currencies.

In the long run, Gold Price is set to goes up higher. In the past Gold price rise around 15% to 30% per year and I believe it will continue to grow at that rate.

To say it's risky to invest in Gold is wrong. Gold is the safest asset you can own.

Why do you think that during the Europe Debt Crisis, people rush to Buy Gold?



alooloo      ( Date: 15-Jul-2010 09:02) Posted:

Thank for the sharing...

In some way, i think it is risky to invest in GLD... 

first, gold didn't give out any dividend or increase in value through re-investment from their income. This cause the trust management would only keep eating up your margin from the value appreatiation of real gold reserve.

Exaggerated example:

Down the road 10year, if each year trust management eat 2%, compound effect become 16.6%. Left 83.4% of gold. If 10 years gold price increase 20%, the asset value of the fund still remain 100%. Which mean no gain on your investment, but you get the manager still happily to serve you. If you bought your own gold, you should see 120% value of your investment.



Cookie      ( Date: 14-Jul-2010 12:29) Posted:



i digged this out fr somewhere:

Gold Exchange Traded Funds
Gold ETF or gold exchange traded funds, are similar to trades, then, of other commodities and resources except that the shares "reflect" the price of gold, usually gold is stored by the Gold ETF in the form of ‘400 oz’ London Good Delivery bars.

The institutions administering the fund, such as StreetTracks for example, the biggest gold EFT in the USA, hold gold bars in bank vaults "backing" the holdings of their clients. This is taken to mean that, instead of having to own and cart around gold bars to buy and sell, the EFT fund holds gold bars in trust and you buy a proportion of that gold holding when you open an account with the custodian which is reflected in your account statement.

A closer look, however, shows some disparities in this as discovered by James Turk, the editor of Freemarket Gold & Money Report and the founder of GoldMoney.com

StreetTracks, the Biggest of the Lot
On the gold ETF fund (GLD)website of StreetTracks it states, " The objective of the Trust is for the Shares to reflect the performance of the price of gold bullion, less the Trust's expenses." This is quite different to stating that, "We act as a custodian and hold gold for our clients ." Their statement does not indicate one is trading in actual gold but that when you buy into a StreetTrack Gold EFT you are buying into a trust that is designed to "reflect" the share price of gold. And although one has 'shares' these shares do not come under the normal safeguards provided to shareholders of ordinary companies as is stated in their prospectus.

James Turk, in an article about StreetTrack, points out, "Its objective is not to provide investors with the opportunity to own gold bullion by investing in the shares of an Gold ETF. Rather, GLD is designed to track the price of gold. That objective is no different than what is accomplished by a gold futures contract or any of the dozens of numerous gold derivatives available these days. More to the point, futures and derivatives are sold even if the seller does not own the underlying gold bullion needed to deliver on its obligation. They are in practice fractional reserve systems, which allow liabilities for gold to far exceed the quantity of gold owned by the seller of that liability."

He also added, "Without strict controls over the assets of the fund, almost anything is possible. What if, for example, GLD were double-counting the same bar of gold? Impossible, you say, but James Turk goes on to say…

"Well, the GATA army has done it again, and thanks go to Stephen Marney. He analyzed the gold bar list reported to investors that shows the gold supposedly owned by GLD.

Last week Stephen brought to my attention that of the 6,981 gold bars reported on the list, there are 78 duplicate bar numbers. This result is staggering. It means that the genuineness of 156 bars, or 2.2% of the total assets of GLD, is called into question."




So questions investors should be asking themselves before they commit their fund is, does this mean that StreetTrack does not actually have as much gold as was first thought? In addition, it states quite clearly on the web site that a member of the public cannot actually take possession of the gold, 'they own'. Does this mean that there are some situations where an investor could potentially lose their funds?

What does all this mean? Well basically it means that an investor has to do some due diligence and really understand what a Gold ETF really is and what it isn't. Clearly an investor is not buying actual physical gold and they would be if they buy gold coins or bars from a gold dealer.

An investor has to ask themselves the question, then, "Do I want to actually own gold, or simply shares in it?

When you own actual physical gold, either in your hand or in a bank vault, properly audited and your account shows ownership of actual physical gold, there is no disputing the fact.

So, despite the hype and push to sell the Gold ETF by excited brokers, I will still be keeping my value in real gold coins and bars that you can hold in your hand!

 

this reason alone is stopping me buying GLD Smiley

 


 
 
ozone2002
    15-Jul-2010 10:26  
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paper money is the riskiest!!

always get eaten away by inflation .. the silent tax..

Gold preserves your wealth..as it cannot be reproduced easily..unlike paper money...
 

 
alooloo
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Thank for the sharing...

In some way, i think it is risky to invest in GLD... 

first, gold didn't give out any dividend or increase in value through re-investment from their income. This cause the trust management would only keep eating up your margin from the value appreatiation of real gold reserve.

Exaggerated example:

Down the road 10year, if each year trust management eat 2%, compound effect become 16.6%. Left 83.4% of gold. If 10 years gold price increase 20%, the asset value of the fund still remain 100%. Which mean no gain on your investment, but you get the manager still happily to serve you. If you bought your own gold, you should see 120% value of your investment.



Cookie      ( Date: 14-Jul-2010 12:29) Posted:



i digged this out fr somewhere:

Gold Exchange Traded Funds
Gold ETF or gold exchange traded funds, are similar to trades, then, of other commodities and resources except that the shares "reflect" the price of gold, usually gold is stored by the Gold ETF in the form of ‘400 oz’ London Good Delivery bars.

The institutions administering the fund, such as StreetTracks for example, the biggest gold EFT in the USA, hold gold bars in bank vaults "backing" the holdings of their clients. This is taken to mean that, instead of having to own and cart around gold bars to buy and sell, the EFT fund holds gold bars in trust and you buy a proportion of that gold holding when you open an account with the custodian which is reflected in your account statement.

A closer look, however, shows some disparities in this as discovered by James Turk, the editor of Freemarket Gold & Money Report and the founder of GoldMoney.com

StreetTracks, the Biggest of the Lot
On the gold ETF fund (GLD)website of StreetTracks it states, " The objective of the Trust is for the Shares to reflect the performance of the price of gold bullion, less the Trust's expenses." This is quite different to stating that, "We act as a custodian and hold gold for our clients ." Their statement does not indicate one is trading in actual gold but that when you buy into a StreetTrack Gold EFT you are buying into a trust that is designed to "reflect" the share price of gold. And although one has 'shares' these shares do not come under the normal safeguards provided to shareholders of ordinary companies as is stated in their prospectus.

James Turk, in an article about StreetTrack, points out, "Its objective is not to provide investors with the opportunity to own gold bullion by investing in the shares of an Gold ETF. Rather, GLD is designed to track the price of gold. That objective is no different than what is accomplished by a gold futures contract or any of the dozens of numerous gold derivatives available these days. More to the point, futures and derivatives are sold even if the seller does not own the underlying gold bullion needed to deliver on its obligation. They are in practice fractional reserve systems, which allow liabilities for gold to far exceed the quantity of gold owned by the seller of that liability."

He also added, "Without strict controls over the assets of the fund, almost anything is possible. What if, for example, GLD were double-counting the same bar of gold? Impossible, you say, but James Turk goes on to say…

"Well, the GATA army has done it again, and thanks go to Stephen Marney. He analyzed the gold bar list reported to investors that shows the gold supposedly owned by GLD.

Last week Stephen brought to my attention that of the 6,981 gold bars reported on the list, there are 78 duplicate bar numbers. This result is staggering. It means that the genuineness of 156 bars, or 2.2% of the total assets of GLD, is called into question."




So questions investors should be asking themselves before they commit their fund is, does this mean that StreetTrack does not actually have as much gold as was first thought? In addition, it states quite clearly on the web site that a member of the public cannot actually take possession of the gold, 'they own'. Does this mean that there are some situations where an investor could potentially lose their funds?

What does all this mean? Well basically it means that an investor has to do some due diligence and really understand what a Gold ETF really is and what it isn't. Clearly an investor is not buying actual physical gold and they would be if they buy gold coins or bars from a gold dealer.

An investor has to ask themselves the question, then, "Do I want to actually own gold, or simply shares in it?

When you own actual physical gold, either in your hand or in a bank vault, properly audited and your account shows ownership of actual physical gold, there is no disputing the fact.

So, despite the hype and push to sell the Gold ETF by excited brokers, I will still be keeping my value in real gold coins and bars that you can hold in your hand!

 

this reason alone is stopping me buying GLD Smiley

 

 
 
poboxfor
    15-Jul-2010 08:36  
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Feature in Today's paper:

In terms of supply, long term fundamentals remain tight with little sign of any material increases in mine production, and central bank supply is also at reduced levels which for many years was a notable source of supply.[source] http://www.todayonline.com/Business/Invest/EDC100715-0000070/All-that-glitters-is-gold

 
 
 
ozone2002
    14-Jul-2010 19:49  
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Just buy everytime there's a big dip in gold..

poboxfor      ( Date: 14-Jul-2010 10:07) Posted:

>And also thanks for the info on the 'delay' of UOB  prices.. 


Would like to share something also. Did some reading on gold and according to the "The goldwatcher"  there's some correlation:
  • USD down 70% of the time Gold up
  • Oil up 90% of the time Gold up
  • Aug to early Sept yearly Gold price is at the lowest

  • Think I'll hold my purchase till August :)

     
     
    Cookie
        14-Jul-2010 12:29  
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    i digged this out fr somewhere:

    Gold Exchange Traded Funds
    Gold ETF or gold exchange traded funds, are similar to trades, then, of other commodities and resources except that the shares "reflect" the price of gold, usually gold is stored by the Gold ETF in the form of ‘400 oz’ London Good Delivery bars.

    The institutions administering the fund, such as StreetTracks for example, the biggest gold EFT in the USA, hold gold bars in bank vaults "backing" the holdings of their clients. This is taken to mean that, instead of having to own and cart around gold bars to buy and sell, the EFT fund holds gold bars in trust and you buy a proportion of that gold holding when you open an account with the custodian which is reflected in your account statement.

    A closer look, however, shows some disparities in this as discovered by James Turk, the editor of Freemarket Gold & Money Report and the founder of GoldMoney.com

    StreetTracks, the Biggest of the Lot
    On the gold ETF fund (GLD)website of StreetTracks it states, " The objective of the Trust is for the Shares to reflect the performance of the price of gold bullion, less the Trust's expenses." This is quite different to stating that, "We act as a custodian and hold gold for our clients ." Their statement does not indicate one is trading in actual gold but that when you buy into a StreetTrack Gold EFT you are buying into a trust that is designed to "reflect" the share price of gold. And although one has 'shares' these shares do not come under the normal safeguards provided to shareholders of ordinary companies as is stated in their prospectus.

    James Turk, in an article about StreetTrack, points out, "Its objective is not to provide investors with the opportunity to own gold bullion by investing in the shares of an Gold ETF. Rather, GLD is designed to track the price of gold. That objective is no different than what is accomplished by a gold futures contract or any of the dozens of numerous gold derivatives available these days. More to the point, futures and derivatives are sold even if the seller does not own the underlying gold bullion needed to deliver on its obligation. They are in practice fractional reserve systems, which allow liabilities for gold to far exceed the quantity of gold owned by the seller of that liability."

    He also added, "Without strict controls over the assets of the fund, almost anything is possible. What if, for example, GLD were double-counting the same bar of gold? Impossible, you say, but James Turk goes on to say…

    "Well, the GATA army has done it again, and thanks go to Stephen Marney. He analyzed the gold bar list reported to investors that shows the gold supposedly owned by GLD.

    Last week Stephen brought to my attention that of the 6,981 gold bars reported on the list, there are 78 duplicate bar numbers. This result is staggering. It means that the genuineness of 156 bars, or 2.2% of the total assets of GLD, is called into question."




    So questions investors should be asking themselves before they commit their fund is, does this mean that StreetTrack does not actually have as much gold as was first thought? In addition, it states quite clearly on the web site that a member of the public cannot actually take possession of the gold, 'they own'. Does this mean that there are some situations where an investor could potentially lose their funds?

    What does all this mean? Well basically it means that an investor has to do some due diligence and really understand what a Gold ETF really is and what it isn't. Clearly an investor is not buying actual physical gold and they would be if they buy gold coins or bars from a gold dealer.

    An investor has to ask themselves the question, then, "Do I want to actually own gold, or simply shares in it?

    When you own actual physical gold, either in your hand or in a bank vault, properly audited and your account shows ownership of actual physical gold, there is no disputing the fact.

    So, despite the hype and push to sell the Gold ETF by excited brokers, I will still be keeping my value in real gold coins and bars that you can hold in your hand!

     

    this reason alone is stopping me buying GLD Smiley

     
     
     
    poboxfor
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    >And also thanks for the info on the 'delay' of UOB  prices.. 


    Would like to share something also. Did some reading on gold and according to the "The goldwatcher"  there's some correlation:
  • USD down 70% of the time Gold up
  • Oil up 90% of the time Gold up
  • Aug to early Sept yearly Gold price is at the lowest

  • Think I'll hold my purchase till August :)
     
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