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handon
    02-Sep-2009 21:14  
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my boss goes long Big Time.... hope can shake legs until toes drop off... hehe... Smiley
 
 
richtan
    02-Sep-2009 11:50  
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Wow!!! "Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa"

DnApeh      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 08:08) Posted:

The neck-line i get is 8888 because i use a log scale.

richtan      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:31) Posted:

Incidentally, the inverse H&S neckline is also at the confluence of the 90ma and 200ema at about 9000


 
 
richtan
    02-Sep-2009 11:45  
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Hi erictkw,

Many thanks for sharing this write-up.

Note the red hghlight:

Bob Doll: The US economy and its effect on stock markets
Written by Bob Doll   
Tuesday, 01 September 2009 09:00
WITH all the back-and-forth in the markets and the ongoing debate about the strength of the US economic recovery, we thought it would be useful to make a series of broad observations about the economy and the implications for the markets.
 
We will start with five notes about the US economy and the stock market.
 
1. Economic data generally continues to be better than expected, which suggests that we are emerging from the longest and deepest recession of the post-WWII period. We believe there is even a possibility of an upside surprise to 3Q GDP growth.
 
2. While GDP historically has risen sharply following recessions (the average gain for the first three quarters is 6.7%), we do not believe that will be the case this time. Due to continued weakness in the credit markets and ongoing deleveraging, we are expecting GDP growth to be about half of that average over the next three or four quarters.
 
3. The US corporate sector has done an exceptional job in managing through the economic downturn. Thanks to a combination of reduced labour costs and technological improvements, productivity has increased by almost 2% over the last 12 months, an unprecedented rate for a recessionary environment.
 
4. There has been widespread concern that depressed consumer spending will hold back overall economic growth. While we share this concern, we would also point out that early stages of economic advances are almost never led by the consumer sector, but by improvements in inventories and capital expenditures.
 
5. From a markets perspective, investors have now endured two sharp bear markets over the last 10 years. It is reasonable to ask what sort of impact that will have on investor psychology and behaviour, and it is certainly possible that this will prevent some investors from wanting to return to higher-risk assets.
 
With this backdrop, we can point to both a bullish and a bearish case for the US economy. On the positive side, we would cite widespread stimulus and exceptionally low interest rates around the world, which have improved the global money supply and have helped the global economy to regain its footing, particularly in the emerging-markets sector. Additionally, global trade levels have picked up. In the corporate arena, productivity has improved and corporate profits have also begun to recover. The US housing sector has begun to bottom. On the labour-market front, jobs are still being lost, but the pace has slackened noticeably. Finally, we would point to continued low inflation, some improvements in credit markets and higher equity prices.
 
The bearish case for the US economy starts with the acknowledgement that the banking system remains troubled and is still not back to functioning at normal levels. Credit-related issues remain, and we expect the deleveraging cycle to continue for several more years. Additionally, the consumer sector remains under pressure and the savings rate continues to rise. The high unemployment level is also a source of concern, and we do not believe that the unemployment rate has yet peaked. Also, a rapid ly expanding federal budget deficit is a risk, as are deteriorating state and local budgets and the probability of higher tax rates for individuals and, potentially, businesses.
 
On balance, we continue to believe that we are emerging from the recession and are entering a period of positive, but subpar, growth levels. From an equity-market perspective, such an environment might actually be better than a period of rapid recovery, since periods of exceptionally high economic growth trigger inflationary pressures. Equities typically do quite well when the economy is experiencing a combination of robust stimulus measures, low inflation and low, but positive, growth rates.
 
Looking ahead, we acknowledge that markets have come a long way in a short period of time, which could make stocks vulnerable to some sort of corrective action. As we have seen over the past couple of months, investors are highly attuned to the tone of economic data and policymakers’ decisions, and a shift in either could represent a potential risk. Nevertheless, we believe the prevailing environment is a good one for stocks, and we believe the cyclical bull market remains in effect, suggesting that equities have further to go in the intermediate term.



erictkw      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 11:26) Posted:

Bob Doll: The US economy and its effect on stock markets
Written by Bob Doll   
Tuesday, 01 September 2009 09:00
WITH all the back-and-forth in the markets and the ongoing debate about the strength of the US economic recovery, we thought it would be useful to make a series of broad observations about the economy and the implications for the markets.
 
We will start with five notes about the US economy and the stock market.
 
1. Economic data generally continues to be better than expected, which suggests that we are emerging from the longest and deepest recession of the post-WWII period. We believe there is even a possibility of an upside surprise to 3Q GDP growth.
 
2. While GDP historically has risen sharply following recessions (the average gain for the first three quarters is 6.7%), we do not believe that will be the case this time. Due to continued weakness in the credit markets and ongoing deleveraging, we are expecting GDP growth to be about half of that average over the next three or four quarters.
 
3. The US corporate sector has done an exceptional job in managing through the economic downturn. Thanks to a combination of reduced labour costs and technological improvements, productivity has increased by almost 2% over the last 12 months, an unprecedented rate for a recessionary environment.
 
4. There has been widespread concern that depressed consumer spending will hold back overall economic growth. While we share this concern, we would also point out that early stages of economic advances are almost never led by the consumer sector, but by improvements in inventories and capital expenditures.
 
5. From a markets perspective, investors have now endured two sharp bear markets over the last 10 years. It is reasonable to ask what sort of impact that will have on investor psychology and behaviour, and it is certainly possible that this will prevent some investors from wanting to return to higher-risk assets.
 
With this backdrop, we can point to both a bullish and a bearish case for the US economy. On the positive side, we would cite widespread stimulus and exceptionally low interest rates around the world, which have improved the global money supply and have helped the global economy to regain its footing, particularly in the emerging-markets sector. Additionally, global trade levels have picked up. In the corporate arena, productivity has improved and corporate profits have also begun to recover. The US housing sector has begun to bottom. On the labour-market front, jobs are still being lost, but the pace has slackened noticeably. Finally, we would point to continued low inflation, some improvements in credit markets and higher equity prices.
 
The bearish case for the US economy starts with the acknowledgement that the banking system remains troubled and is still not back to functioning at normal levels. Credit-related issues remain, and we expect the deleveraging cycle to continue for several more years. Additionally, the consumer sector remains under pressure and the savings rate continues to rise. The high unemployment level is also a source of concern, and we do not believe that the unemployment rate has yet peaked. Also, a rapid ly expanding federal budget deficit is a risk, as are deteriorating state and local budgets and the probability of higher tax rates for individuals and, potentially, businesses.
 
On balance, we continue to believe that we are emerging from the recession and are entering a period of positive, but subpar, growth levels. From an equity-market perspective, such an environment might actually be better than a period of rapid recovery, since periods of exceptionally high economic growth trigger inflationary pressures. Equities typically do quite well when the economy is experiencing a combination of robust stimulus measures, low inflation and low, but positive, growth rates.
 
Looking ahead, we acknowledge that markets have come a long way in a short period of time, which could make stocks vulnerable to some sort of corrective action. As we have seen over the past couple of months, investors are highly attuned to the tone of economic data and policymakers’ decisions, and a shift in either could represent a potential risk. Nevertheless, we believe the prevailing environment is a good one for stocks, and we believe the cyclical bull market remains in effect, suggesting that equities have further to go in the intermediate term.

 

 
erictkw
    02-Sep-2009 11:26  
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Bob Doll: The US economy and its effect on stock markets
Written by Bob Doll   
Tuesday, 01 September 2009 09:00
WITH all the back-and-forth in the markets and the ongoing debate about the strength of the US economic recovery, we thought it would be useful to make a series of broad observations about the economy and the implications for the markets.
 
We will start with five notes about the US economy and the stock market.
 
1. Economic data generally continues to be better than expected, which suggests that we are emerging from the longest and deepest recession of the post-WWII period. We believe there is even a possibility of an upside surprise to 3Q GDP growth.
 
2. While GDP historically has risen sharply following recessions (the average gain for the first three quarters is 6.7%), we do not believe that will be the case this time. Due to continued weakness in the credit markets and ongoing deleveraging, we are expecting GDP growth to be about half of that average over the next three or four quarters.
 
3. The US corporate sector has done an exceptional job in managing through the economic downturn. Thanks to a combination of reduced labour costs and technological improvements, productivity has increased by almost 2% over the last 12 months, an unprecedented rate for a recessionary environment.
 
4. There has been widespread concern that depressed consumer spending will hold back overall economic growth. While we share this concern, we would also point out that early stages of economic advances are almost never led by the consumer sector, but by improvements in inventories and capital expenditures.
 
5. From a markets perspective, investors have now endured two sharp bear markets over the last 10 years. It is reasonable to ask what sort of impact that will have on investor psychology and behaviour, and it is certainly possible that this will prevent some investors from wanting to return to higher-risk assets.
 
With this backdrop, we can point to both a bullish and a bearish case for the US economy. On the positive side, we would cite widespread stimulus and exceptionally low interest rates around the world, which have improved the global money supply and have helped the global economy to regain its footing, particularly in the emerging-markets sector. Additionally, global trade levels have picked up. In the corporate arena, productivity has improved and corporate profits have also begun to recover. The US housing sector has begun to bottom. On the labour-market front, jobs are still being lost, but the pace has slackened noticeably. Finally, we would point to continued low inflation, some improvements in credit markets and higher equity prices.
 
The bearish case for the US economy starts with the acknowledgement that the banking system remains troubled and is still not back to functioning at normal levels. Credit-related issues remain, and we expect the deleveraging cycle to continue for several more years. Additionally, the consumer sector remains under pressure and the savings rate continues to rise. The high unemployment level is also a source of concern, and we do not believe that the unemployment rate has yet peaked. Also, a rapid ly expanding federal budget deficit is a risk, as are deteriorating state and local budgets and the probability of higher tax rates for individuals and, potentially, businesses.
 
On balance, we continue to believe that we are emerging from the recession and are entering a period of positive, but subpar, growth levels. From an equity-market perspective, such an environment might actually be better than a period of rapid recovery, since periods of exceptionally high economic growth trigger inflationary pressures. Equities typically do quite well when the economy is experiencing a combination of robust stimulus measures, low inflation and low, but positive, growth rates.
 
Looking ahead, we acknowledge that markets have come a long way in a short period of time, which could make stocks vulnerable to some sort of corrective action. As we have seen over the past couple of months, investors are highly attuned to the tone of economic data and policymakers’ decisions, and a shift in either could represent a potential risk. Nevertheless, we believe the prevailing environment is a good one for stocks, and we believe the cyclical bull market remains in effect, suggesting that equities have further to go in the intermediate term.
 
 
smartrade
    02-Sep-2009 09:01  
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As my previous post, light vol mainly due to the so call junior traders week... They now run for the exit in time for the big funds to come in to normalise things. I'm pretty sure we should see a rebound soon... next wk... Just my opinion.

smartrade      ( Date: 01-Sep-2009 23:21) Posted:



I read somewhere this wk is called the junior trader wk. Typically volatile, typically light vol... I'm believing Dow will cheong back only when the big funds mngrs are back in business after labour day. This small trader can't move the market convincingly. Meanwhile just sit tight, I think for now, China n HK will weight more heavily for STI...

We should be seeing shares like AIG, Citigroup and some shares that went wild during the last few wks correct significantly once normal trading resume(after labour day)... I'm also believing thats when the next upswing will start to cover loss ground... hope i'm rite...

Meanwhile SSE have corrected so deeply may mean limited downside... I'm pretty optimistic short term...

 
 
DnApeh
    02-Sep-2009 08:08  
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The neck-line i get is 8888 because i use a log scale.

richtan      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:31) Posted:

Incidentally, the inverse H&S neckline is also at the confluence of the 90ma and 200ema at about 9000.

DnApeh      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:07) Posted:

Dow broke out of reversed head & shoulders, so the next thing i watch out for is a test of the neck-line.

If neck-line holds, put all the money into stocks! No lah, just kidding, buy within your means, but you will not get a better buying opportunity than a successful test.



 

 
iPunter
    02-Sep-2009 06:50  
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No matter how much we know, the market always knows better than anyone alive...


For those who think the flu... or something else,  may play up, they may be right... or wrong...

But whatever... the market is the final arbiter... Smiley
 
 
cheongwee
    02-Sep-2009 01:18  
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 i refer to your last few line....10% of their real worth...if tomolo i can get 10% cheaper i would be happy...

i would not be surprise market lau sai a bit only... as ppl now are smarter...they know like me ...it is a non event..with all economic data ok..

i dont thk can buy much cheaper also..

i thk maybe penny and mid cap may continue to cheong with banking stock whack down..

so maybe we see market sti is down, but our penny and mid cap running like no tomolo....hope so...

BB know better..hope they play mid cap and penny...dont waste their effort so far pushing the counter...
 
 
tanzq83
    02-Sep-2009 01:18  
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Low volume selling down.. a bit not convincing to sell..now only 0.61billion traded.
 
 
iPunter
    02-Sep-2009 01:16  
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The Dow is now down  -190 ! ... pengsan... hehehe    Smiley
 

 
richtan
    02-Sep-2009 00:46  
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September 09 newsletter - Dr YC Chan  


曾渊沧@股友通讯录
MICA (P) 133/09/2008
九月份


Dear Friends

You may mark the August stock market being volatile, or boring.

Volatile because there were many days in August the ups and downs
of the market index from one day to another could add up to 2% difference.

The first day the market could go up by 2%, only to see it came down by 2% the next day and went up by 2% again on the third day.

Punters’ sentiments kept changing amidst joy and anxiety.

They lost money everyday because they misjudged the market trend.

The worst tactics is to chase stocks when market is rising and cut loss when
it is coming down.


The market was boring because notwithstanding its volatility,
the market position remained the same as if nothing had happened.

Patience plays a very important part in stock investment.

Once you are sure it is a bull market, you should have the patience to hold
good quality stocks and ignore the daily price fluctuations.


Sideline yourself and become an observer; sell your stocks only when you think
the market fundamentals have altered.


This is the way to make big money.

Immersing in the daily market fluctuations, you may make several mistakes and
lose confidence and more mistakes followed.


There are many people who lose money in a bull market.

These are short term players who make wrong moves more often than the right moves.

What are the good quality stocks?

How to select them?

As the world keeps on changing; there is no such thing as a permanent good quality

The moment the stock market becomes bubbles, the value of good quality stocks disappears.

To be value conscious is the best way to select good quality stocks.

When the prices of some shares have gone up many folds over a short span of one
their value would naturally be discounted.


At present mid term bull market, under valued shares have become fewer and fewer.

The mid term bull market still has growth potential.

Unless there are adverse factors affecting the particular industry and corporate stocks
you are holding, you should not sell your holdings hastily.


Stock markets always behave ahead of economic data.

Therefore people who make big money are those who dare to venture into the markets facing collapse,  as most of the shares would then be undervalued, some shares may price only 10% of their real worth.

Beside China, the global economy is not recovering, although signs of its recovery are there, probably before the end of this year.

Before economy recovery is officially acclaimed, share prices are mostly in “buy” category.

When recovery has been officially acclaimed, share prices may have skewed to the high side.

To enter the market for short term punting by then would be analogy to playing the last round of music chair:  that if you do not know how to unload, you would not have a chair to sit on it.



cheongwee      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:38) Posted:



Can anyone here give me a strong and very good reason to sell???BBBBoy selling their financial stock which they chase up so high???..or the data are all calling a sell??..

i can only see reason to buy, and tomolo is a hell of a good time to buy...but normally ppl are scare to buy in a down market...normal human psychology..

it is always feel shiok to buy a rally,..but it is buying in a down market that make you $$$..isn't it???

 

 
 
handon
    02-Sep-2009 00:45  
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my boss suddenly long Big Time.....

if lucky can shake legs until the toes drop.... hehe... Smiley
 
 
richtan
    02-Sep-2009 00:39  
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SmileySmileySmiley Mdm Cheong Wee, I will "rock n roll" with u, will stop "rock n roll" with u only when the music really stop (when the DOW close below the 200ema for 2 continuous days, to avoid fakes)

cheongwee      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:24) Posted:



integrity lose...because of stubborn,,sell early...we all win...we lose the part of the profit...

come Thursday, i dont want to dance,  i will rock and roll...joking..i am too old to do that.

hope you are not angry, but pls dont miss the boat again.....market are giving you a chance to board..

pls join in...

 

 
 
cheongwee
    02-Sep-2009 00:38  
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Can anyone here give me a strong and very good reason to sell???BBBBoy selling their financial stock which they chase up so high???..or the data are all calling a sell??..

i can only see reason to buy, and tomolo is a hell of a good time to buy...but normally ppl are scare to buy in a down market...normal human psychology..

it is always feel shiok to buy a rally,..but it is buying in a down market that make you $$$..isn't it???

 
 
 
handon
    02-Sep-2009 00:37  
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my boss said SKY got no EYE when DOW close below 9.35... hehe.... Smiley
 

 
handon
    02-Sep-2009 00:33  
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my boss go long a bit.... betting 9.3 quite strong... hehe.... Smiley
 
 
cheongwee
    02-Sep-2009 00:32  
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why so happy, you short the mkt?or you want to buy fr me tomolo..

iPunter      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:28) Posted:



Down -168.98...

"huat arrrrhhh!" ... hehehe... Smiley

 
 
richtan
    02-Sep-2009 00:31  
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Incidentally, the inverse H&S neckline is also at the confluence of the 90ma and 200ema at about 9000.

DnApeh      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:07) Posted:

Dow broke out of reversed head & shoulders, so the next thing i watch out for is a test of the neck-line.

If neck-line holds, put all the money into stocks! No lah, just kidding, buy within your means, but you will not get a better buying opportunity than a successful test.



richtan      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:02) Posted:

Look at my DOW chart posting below, DOW is imo just doing a correction, worst case scenerio is pullback to the 200ema at about 9000, which still does not invalidate the uptrend, unless it close below the 200ema and the 200ema starts to turn down.

Correction to 9000 is not unreasonable as the run-up is really too much, without a real meaningful corrrection.



 
 
iPunter
    02-Sep-2009 00:28  
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Down -168.98...

"huat arrrrhhh!" ... hehehe... Smiley
 
 
DnApeh
    02-Sep-2009 00:27  
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do you mean 9.3 is real support? or resistance?

handon      ( Date: 02-Sep-2009 00:24) Posted:



my boss covered all short.... nothing left.... 9.3 real resistance.... 

9.5 is nvr a important point... hehe.... Smiley

may go long later... Smiley

 
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