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ynnek1267
    14-Dec-2012 15:33  
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Good news to you, this week shanghai containerized index bounced up more than 10% from 1053 to 1172, + 118.99.

If next week continue to bounce up and break 1200, I will rush in NOL.

sgng123      ( Date: 14-Dec-2012 10:28) Posted:



Europe is only like 20% of revenue and 15% volume. small player there for nol. Check out the Q3 results then you should had a

better understanding of nol revenue distribution in the world. I had to say this multi time freight rate is cyclindal in nature, it go up and down, no such

thing as forever going up and up.  Liners can maintain their profit margin by controlling supply of ships to market. It is very different compare to air/land transport where operator had to provide a regular service even if demand is low.

nol share price do not move linearly with freight rate as seen this year, freight rate hit a historical high in mid year but nol share at lowest level.  Nol share

price spike to 1.5 in feb due to promising job data from US not freight rate increase as the big 4 GRI only take into effect in mid march - July.

Macro data ( US/China PMI, US jobs,oil price,QEs,STI) matter more to nol share movement than micro data( freight rate, analyst/economist report).

In short if u looking to trade/short nol, look out more for macro data as micro data changes according to micro data.

I forgot to add BB/hedge fund/speculator also play a big part in nol movement since 67% of shares is controlled by temasek. Those big guys can control

nol prices at will, jacking it up/down for no reason other than to hunt down retail trade/short. Agile and fast in key to making money in nol.

 
 
ynnek1267
    14-Dec-2012 14:30  
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Best time to revisit NOL is 2Q 2013.

No worth to take the risk now.

davidscs      ( Date: 14-Dec-2012 12:14) Posted:



FYI- friends

  There was a big selldown of 349 lots at 11:51:39 today...... I think the conclusion after the Obama Fiscal Cliff should result in a leg down correction of the market before resuming its climb... be patient.....  hold your bullets till coast is clear.

 
 
davidscs
    14-Dec-2012 12:14  
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FYI- friends

  There was a big selldown of 349 lots at 11:51:39 today...... I think the conclusion after the Obama Fiscal Cliff should result in a leg down correction of the market before resuming its climb... be patient.....  hold your bullets till coast is clear.
 

 
davidscs
    14-Dec-2012 11:50  
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Capacity Glut Clouds Outlook for Carrier

It’s not going to look a lot like Christmas for ocean  container lines  this year, next year and even beyond that.

Although many have managed to staunch the bleeding of red ink that decimated their bottom lines earlier this year, the outlook for their financial recovery appears increasingly dubious in 2013. Instead, the cycle of ups and downs in the container trades is beginning to look even more like a yo-yo than in 2012, with rates going up and down with increasing speed.

The problem, of course, is the glut of vessel capacity hanging over the market. The overhang promises to grow next year, when the global container fleet is expected to increase 9.8 percent, following a 7.2 percent increase in 2012, according to industry analyst Alphaliner. But global demand for vessel space is estimated to grow only 4 to 6 percent in 2013, and is likely to fall again in the critical Asia-Europe trade, where it dropped 4.6 percent in 2012 because of the European recession.

The schedule of new ship deliveries begins to tail off in 2014 because carriers stopped ordering halfway through 2011, indicating that supply might come into balance with demand in 2015, unless carriers refrain from more ordering. But for many carriers, ordering new ships already is getting too irresistible to ignore.

“The temptation to order new ships is getting very strong because of the pricing and the performance,” said Peter Shaerf, managing director of AMA Capital Partners.

The price of new ships has never been so attractive. A new container ship capable of carrying 13,000 20-foot-equivalent units costs about $110 million now, compared with $165 million at their peak in the mid-2000s, when they were hovering around $10,000 a slot. Even a 9,000-TEU ship costs in the low- to mid-$80 million range now and has significantly lower fuel consumption than earlier versions.

“That’s why we are going to see some more orders in the next six months as more carriers come to realize the value of these new eco-ship designs,” Shaerf said. The lemming effect comes into play. When one starts, they all do it.” 

 
 
davidscs
    14-Dec-2012 11:01  
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Baltic Index is now at 799 last night another decline....... revisiting low........... I am eager to see NOL Q4 results.... 
 
 
sgng123
    14-Dec-2012 10:28  
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Europe is only like 20% of revenue and 15% volume. small player there for nol. Check out the Q3 results then you should had a

better understanding of nol revenue distribution in the world. I had to say this multi time freight rate is cyclindal in nature, it go up and down, no such

thing as forever going up and up.  Liners can maintain their profit margin by controlling supply of ships to market. It is very different compare to air/land transport where operator had to provide a regular service even if demand is low.

nol share price do not move linearly with freight rate as seen this year, freight rate hit a historical high in mid year but nol share at lowest level.  Nol share

price spike to 1.5 in feb due to promising job data from US not freight rate increase as the big 4 GRI only take into effect in mid march - July.

Macro data ( US/China PMI, US jobs,oil price,QEs,STI) matter more to nol share movement than micro data( freight rate, analyst/economist report).

In short if u looking to trade/short nol, look out more for macro data as micro data changes according to micro data.

I forgot to add BB/hedge fund/speculator also play a big part in nol movement since 67% of shares is controlled by temasek. Those big guys can control

nol prices at will, jacking it up/down for no reason other than to hunt down retail trade/short. Agile and fast in key to making money in nol.
 

 
ynnek1267
    13-Dec-2012 20:42  
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Nol also operate in europe.

Why transpacific freight rate drop from 3900 to 3071 if it is not over capacity?



sgng123      ( Date: 13-Dec-2012 20:32) Posted:



Overcapacity and big swing of freight rate is expected in the europe trade route due to low demand caused by crisis

Transpacific and asia rate should be holding well in 2013 due to no overcapacity and strong demand.

The delivery of new ships in 2013 is all those 10000+ BTU which would be used in europe trade route, high chance liners

need to cut 10-15% more capacity to maintain profit margin.

Congestion surcharge of US1000 is reported by liners if the strike at east coast US occur.

US Peak Season Surcharge US500 started 15 dec, high chance it would be extended to jan- mid feb 2013.

Currently according to report, 860 000 TEU and 288 ships is idle, might hit over 1mill TEU and 300+ ship  comparable to 2009

Reefer GRI US1500 is also at Jan13, but reefer cargo is only a very small part of world cargo carried.

 

 
 
sgng123
    13-Dec-2012 20:32  
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Overcapacity and big swing of freight rate is expected in the europe trade route due to low demand caused by crisis

Transpacific and asia rate should be holding well in 2013 due to no overcapacity and strong demand.

The delivery of new ships in 2013 is all those 10000+ BTU which would be used in europe trade route, high chance liners

need to cut 10-15% more capacity to maintain profit margin.

Congestion surcharge of US1000 is reported by liners if the strike at east coast US occur.

US Peak Season Surcharge US500 started 15 dec, high chance it would be extended to jan- mid feb 2013.

Currently according to report, 860 000 TEU and 288 ships is idle, might hit over 1mill TEU and 300+ ship  comparable to 2009

Reefer GRI US1500 is also at Jan13, but reefer cargo is only a very small part of world cargo carried.

 
 
 
ynnek1267
    13-Dec-2012 17:59  
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Giant container vessels are flooding to the market. The impact of all these giant container vessel are pending and will be known in 2013.

More traditional mid range of container vessels will be idling.
 
 
sgng123
    13-Dec-2012 17:48  
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STI  also up for a few days but it is only the fund managers doing window dressing same for dow joes. Big cap index stock popping the index.

Now is the waiting game, as usual US would get their act together  in the last min before the year passed.

nol share in range bound mode, noone buying lol. it is all short sellers covering and selling.

Don worry too much, Temasek is behind nol army col all the way.
 

 
ynnek1267
    13-Dec-2012 16:44  
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Dow has been up 8 days. Fed announced its plan doesn't help the market much. Dow Friday will be very red.

Fiscal cliff will take place and bring bear market.
 
 
raykee
    13-Dec-2012 16:35  
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things get worst but their stock still grow.... bubbling? 
 
 
sgng123
    13-Dec-2012 16:28  
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Just be patient and wait for trade window. When the bull come charging, nothing can blocked poor rate, profit   loss etc all don matter.

Big house traders go in and jack price, then the music chair rotation start. this time round the music might last longer than 2010 due to

unlimited money printing. Just do day trading when time come, be nimble and fast. The catalyst for trade is most likely the resolve for

US fiscal cliff. Happy trading.
 
 
davidscs
    13-Dec-2012 16:15  
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CKYH Alliance Further Reduces Winter Service ..... biz climate is getting worse.....

The carriers  had previously announced elimination of seven voyages in the period between November 2012 and mid-January 2013.

Cosco Container Lines, “K” Line, Yang Ming and Hanjin Shipping said they will continue to provide weekly service covering major ports connecting the Far East and Mediterranean regions.

 
 
davidscs
    13-Dec-2012 15:52  
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My contact (good old friend) working in stock firm (20 plus years experience) shared with me that STI is far overdue for a major correction (20% range) so need to trade carefully. take profits asap and avoid stocks that are still in the dump unless leading and lagging indicators are both in favor..... I will agree with him. I do business and I see that the business climate very poor across many industries..... 1st half of 2013 critical..... I think stocks like NOL must wait after Q1 2013 results to decide how the stock will move in 2013. Trader only what you can afford to lose.
 

 
ynnek1267
    13-Dec-2012 15:25  
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In my opinion, NOL is at pump and dump stage. Once market turn bearish, NOL will break 1 dollar.
 
 
sgng123
    13-Dec-2012 15:23  
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It possible as in 2009 when QE1 kick in, we are in global financial crisis and every stocks is at all time low but nol is trading at 1.4- 1.8

all thanks to QE fake demand in 2010. 2013 more or less the same as 2009 de va ju , trick everyone thinking demand gona be back in 2H13

as lot of liquidity pour in. Share price for nol don matter as long there is people chasing it then everyone make money, the last one holding would

be the dumb ass lol. typical of a QE bull run, when QE over market collapse, fun ended. now share moving north, shortist covering.
 
 
davidscs
    13-Dec-2012 15:17  
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Baltic Index has dipped to 827............ will it reach a new low ?????......I think Q4 result may turn out worse than expected for NOL ....

 
 
 
CSH123
    13-Dec-2012 12:42  
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sgng123, possible to have 1.4P/b with QE? cos china and europe is not moving by then bubble will burst and market will be in coma
 
 
ynnek1267
    13-Dec-2012 12:32  
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Still stagnant....

NOL is sleeping...
 
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