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cyjjerry85
    24-Sep-2009 04:19  
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yes it did shot past over 9900...and it also did turn south towards the end of the day

aleoleo      ( Date: 24-Sep-2009 00:20) Posted:

DOW is awaiting the FOMC announcement ..... either shoot up surpass 9900 or heading south .... lets c tomorrow morning la.... can go koon liao

 
 
aleoleo
    24-Sep-2009 00:20  
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DOW is awaiting the FOMC announcement ..... either shoot up surpass 9900 or heading south .... lets c tomorrow morning la.... can go koon liao
 
 
lookcc
    23-Sep-2009 23:16  
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boring, trading mkt there....up down 2 digit pts, tch.
 

 
smartrader
    23-Sep-2009 21:45  
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test 9900 again...
 
 
erictkw
    23-Sep-2009 11:48  
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Sept. 22, 2009, 4:19 p.m. EDT

U.S. stock market bolstered by positive earnings revisions

Department store, cruise line operator among companies with brighter forecasts

By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- As U.S. stocks on Tuesday tilted higher, the consumer discretionary sector helped to illustrate the market's brightened outlook, with Citigroup raising its 2009 forecast for department store chain Macy's Inc.

"It's heartening to see that industry analysts are revising up their forecasts, and now believe companies can earn some money despite the widespread view that the consumer is going to remain challenged," said Ed Yardeni, chief investment strategist, Yardeni Research Inc.

Shares of Macy's gained 5.5% in late-session trade after Citigroup analyst Deborah Weinswig upgraded its stock to buy from hold. See Ratings Game.

Shares of Carnival /quotes/comstock/13*!ccl/quotes/nls/ccl (CCL 33.65, +0.13, +0.39%) rose 4.8% after the company's quarterly earnings report, with its shares among those climbing as Wall Street struck a mildly positive tone. Read full story on Carnival. See details of more active issues.

On Wall Street, energy and financial shares fared the best as the major indexes advanced about 0.5%. The Dow Jones Industrial Average /quotes/comstock/10w!i:dji/delayed (INDU 9,830, +50.78, +0.52%) gained 51.01 points, or 0.5%, to 9,829.87. The S&P 500 Index /quotes/comstock/21z!i1:in\x (SPX 1,072, +7.00, +0.66%) added 7 points, or 0.7%, to 1,071.66, while the Nasdaq Composite /quotes/comstock/10y!i:comp (COMP 2,146, +8.26, +0.39%) rose 8.26 points, or 0.4%, to 2,146.30.

Analysts at Aberdeen Asset Management noted "significant positive earnings revisions" in the financial, consumer discretionary and information technology sectors during August, with the three sectors the strongest performers during the month.

"Expectations were very low and there was some improvement in consumer and business confidence," Aberdeen analysts said in a September outlook.

With signals still mixed on the U.S. economy, consumers and businesses remain focused on paying down debt, among the factors implying "further headwinds for a sharp recovery in consumer spending," the Aberdeen analysts said.

Net earnings revisions among S&P 500 firms in September were positive for a third straight month, with an index tracking the changes this month improving to a 39-month high of 6.9% from 6.5%, Yardeni said.

"It shouldn't be that much of a surprise that revisions are surprisingly strong given earlier this year analysts and investors generally were worrying about the recession turning into a depression. Analysts responded to the financial meltdown by slashing earnings, they went too far, and so now they are revising their numbers back," said Yardeni.

Kate Gibson is a reporter for MarketWatch, based in New York.

 
 
smartrader
    22-Sep-2009 21:40  
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Dow will test 9,900...
 

 
erictkw
    22-Sep-2009 12:23  
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When a 10K is just a walk in the park

Commentary: With inflation in tow, Dow 10,000 isn't what you think



By Brett Arends, WSJ.com

BOSTON (MarketWatch) -- The Dow Jones Industrial Average is back within spitting distance of 10,000. There's a lot of debate, of course, about what that may mean for the future. But it's pretty good historically, right?

After all, the index was below 1,000 as recently as the early 1980s. It peaked at 381 just before the great Crash of '29. Despite the turmoil of the past couple of years, it looks like shares still rise over time, yes?

Not so fast.

When we look at the Dow, our eyes are playing tricks on us. I'm not just talking about the fact that the index is changed from time to time, as some companies replace others. Over the long term, it's been a pretty decent tracker of share prices.

What I'm talking about is the hidden role of inflation. It's the great sneak thief of money. Too many investors overlook it. If the Dow doubles in dollar terms, but your dollars halve in value, you may look like you've made progress but you haven't made any.

What really matters is what you made in "real," or inflation-adjusted, terms. So as everyone talks about Dow 10,000, I decided to ask a rarely asked question:

Will the real Dow Jones Industrial Average please stand up?

To find the real Dow, I ran two experiments. And they produced some intriguing findings.

First, going back to the late 1920s, I converted past levels of the Dow into 2009 dollars. I used the official inflation data, the Consumer Price Index, tracked by the U.S. Department of Labor.

Figure 1

 

You can see the results in Figure 1.

By this measure, Dow 10,000 doesn't seem that impressive after all. The index got close 6,700 -- in today's dollars -- as long ago as 1966. Indeed it was nearly 5,000 all the way back in 1929, just before the crash. Once you take out inflation, the rise in the index over 80 glorious years of American capitalism seems pretty tame.

Intriguingly, if you look at the chart through the mid-1990s it's hard to discern much of an upward slope at all. Yes, it's there, but it's very slight. This is hardly the soaring line, from bottom left to top right, that we are used to.

 

The graph raises a question. Something obviously happens in or around 1995. The index suddenly and visibly breaks out of any long-term trend and goes vertical. It enters a new phase or era -- call it what you will -- that has scarcely ended.

There are several possible explanations. Maybe shares really did become much more valuable than they did before. Or maybe investors just suddenly discovered that value.

For the sake of logical completeness, both of these explanations have to be considered, even though most market veterans will snort with derision. Why would this happen, and so suddenly? The explanations sound ominously like the "new era/new plateau/this time it's different" arguments that have buried legions of investors over many decades.

Two other explanations suggest themselves.

A new bubble

The first is that around 1995, the market suddenly entered a bubble. The bubble argument is so well known now, and so well established, that I'm not going to waste your time repeating it. Events of the last 15 years have surely made the "irrational exuberance" case pretty well.

But if the chart of the Real Dow shows a bubble which began in 1995, it raises the alarming suspicion that this bubble is far from over. Long-term trend lines might put you at around Dow 6,000 or Dow 8,000 today, but Dow 10,000 looks above trend.

And as Ben Inker, head of asset allocation at fund giant GMO recently pointed out to me, stocks have spent so long above long-term trends that logic, and historical experience, would suggest they are likely to spend more than a few days last March below it.

There is an alternative explanation for the way shares suddenly entered a new trajectory in the mid-1990s. It's that our eyes are deceiving us once again.

Why?

Calculation changes

Most people don't realize it, but for the past few decades successive governments have made changes to the way the traditional Consumer Price Index is calculated. The changes have been technical. Many, on their own, were minor. But cumulatively and over time, they have been more substantial.

Some economists argue the changes are improvements. They say the earlier numbers overstated inflation. Others take the opposite view, and argue the changes now mask the real inflation rate.

It's a normative debate. If the price of steak goes up but ground beef goes down, people are likely to eat more ground beef and less steak. Are they better off, worse off or about the same?

The more interesting question here is what it means for the "real" value of share prices.

The Labor Department no longer publishes the traditional CPI numbers, but an independent economist, John Williams at Shadow Government Statistics, produces an estimate each month. He's backdated them to the 1970s.

That lets us calculate an alternative "real" Dow, based on the traditional CPI, free of any changes in statistical methodology, political gerrymandering or government improvements.

Figure 2

 

The results are in Figure 2. They make an intriguing picture.

The 1995 dogleg is far less pronounced than before. And now the upward slope of the chart seems very muted.

Do shares really rise over time? The Dow just looks like a very stormy sea, marked by long, gigantic waves and crashes. Maybe the only thing rising over time is the size of the waves.

As for Dow 10,000, this now seems like very small potatoes. By this measure we were up near 28,000 -- in today's money -- back in 1999. We were over 20,000 in today's money back in the mid-1960s, and above 14,000 as long ago as 1929.

Which view is right? There is no definitive answer.

But these analyses do raise a timely reminder of the importance of dividends. Focusing on just capital gains -- Dow 10,000 and all that -- is deeply misleading.

Paul Marsh, professor at the London Business School, notes that the Dow only tracks a percentage of the U.S. market and may not capture all the long-term capital gains. But, he adds, the bigger issue is that long-term investors need to focus on dividends, not merely capital gains, in the first place.

"For a truly long-run investor, their return is dominated by dividends and dividend growth," he says.

Dow 10,000? It's not what you think.

 
 
iPunter
    18-Sep-2009 06:00  
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A Dow down day is bad for selling...

Bacause people are not primed to buy, thus one cannot get good prices...

Whereas Dow Cheong Aaarrrhhh!! days are superb for selling into stregnth...

  Crowds buy into rallies... Smiley
 
 
thomas_low
    18-Sep-2009 01:08  
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General trend is up, no worry unless you are intraday trader and short big big

richtan      ( Date: 18-Sep-2009 00:59) Posted:

Nothing surprising if it closes negative as yesterday had run-up over 100 points, better to have some pull-back corrections to consolidate than going too hot n bubbly.

ragmop15      ( Date: 18-Sep-2009 00:19) Posted:



watch out.. trendline broken.





 
 
richtan
    18-Sep-2009 00:59  
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Nothing surprising if it closes negative as yesterday had run-up over 100 points, better to have some pull-back corrections to consolidate than going too hot n bubbly.

ragmop15      ( Date: 18-Sep-2009 00:19) Posted:



watch out.. trendline broken.




 

 
richtan
    18-Sep-2009 00:23  
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Wow!!! U must be an intraday trader, trading with 5 mins chart.

I m an EOD trader, trading based on EOD data.



ragmop15      ( Date: 18-Sep-2009 00:19) Posted:



watch out.. trendline broken.




 
 
ragmop15
    18-Sep-2009 00:19  
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watch out.. trendline broken.



 
 
DnApeh
    17-Sep-2009 23:52  
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thanks. Yahoo one did not show.
 
 
ragmop15
    17-Sep-2009 23:40  
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it shows in google finance. long tail





 
 
DnApeh
    17-Sep-2009 23:33  
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intraday high is 9,854? doesn't show in the daily chart yet???
 

 
smartrader
    17-Sep-2009 23:15  
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if it cannot test 9900 in Sep's trading session, it will bypass it and go beyond 10,000 in early Oct..
 
 
williamyeo
    17-Sep-2009 23:09  
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DJIA towards 9900 and then by year end 10,000.
 
 
ragmop15
    17-Sep-2009 22:29  
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your boss capitulated.. when the market starts to fall? he should have waited longer..looks to me like the fall down has started.


handon      ( Date: 17-Sep-2009 21:36) Posted:

my boss close shop liao.... pack bag and go home liao.... hehe... Smiley

 
 
smartrader
    17-Sep-2009 21:59  
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Warren share price will peak at $150,000 per share. Still a long way to go...

 
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handon
    17-Sep-2009 21:36  
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my boss close shop liao.... pack bag and go home liao.... hehe... Smiley
 
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