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ET88888
    05-Feb-2008 15:18  
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I am comingggggggggggggggg go go go Super Tuesday
 
 
ET88888
    05-Feb-2008 11:25  
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Ladies & Gentlemen, watch your front, pick your targets and shoot.  Cheong Cominggggggggggggg
 
 
ET88888
    05-Feb-2008 11:16  
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Get ready for a Construction Rally!!!!!!!!!!!!!  These Chinese companies believe in good head start for the New Year.   Ang Pow Commmmmmmmmmminggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!! 
 

 
Lazyhorse
    31-Jan-2008 20:04  
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ET88888,
I am neither short or long term investor. Once the shares reach my target price, I will sell. If they don't reach, I will just hold on. Some shares I buy for pure speculation purposes.
I personally do not know of any uncles or aunties stuck inside. But yes, agree that the holding power of some of them might not be strong.
Hope to see the market recover soon which I believe will happen soon. Slowly but surely.
Cheers
 
 
ET88888
    31-Jan-2008 18:31  
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Lazyhorse,  I am a long term investor.  Got in pretty cheap, make a few rounds and now still have a few hundred lots here & there. I am a little concern for those aunties & uncles who got stuck with their blood, sweat & tears money.

 
 
 
Lazyhorse
    31-Jan-2008 17:24  
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ET88888,
Hee...I understand what you mean. So what stocks you stuck with now may I ask ?
 

 
ET88888
    31-Jan-2008 17:18  
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Lazyhorse, believe me it is very effective and has proven many times.  When I say "make a lot of noise" I mean ask smart and legitimate questions - in other words, cornered them something like  a loan sharks asking for money back but in modern ways lah.  Do not worry about security, u are also the owner of the company. 
 
 
Lazyhorse
    31-Jan-2008 17:09  
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ET88888,
Hahahahaha...Bad idea. Now AGM comes with security. Get a bit rowdy and you will be shown to the door. But can go there to eat the catered buffet. EAT TILL I RECOVER MY MONEY BACK !!! Tabao some home....
 
 
ET88888
    31-Jan-2008 17:03  
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Lazyhorse, attend their AGM and make a lot of noise.  These comapnies normally have their AGM in very remote areas such as TUAS, Jurong, ..etc.  Make it a point to attend.  Better still, get a bus load.  Sure u get recoup your losses.

 
 
 
Lazyhorse
    31-Jan-2008 16:55  
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I stuck with CES and BBR. All these construction companies keep getting contracts but their shares go opposite direction. Vomit blood.

Bought JES and HWT also. Another 2 dead ducks.
 

 
ET88888
    31-Jan-2008 16:52  
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Lazyhorse,  Agree that it is all sentiments that calls the day.  For longer term, it is the facts that wins the battle.  For Construction companies, even the government wants a share of their profits as Mr Mah puts it last year "It is us the government that creates the scenario (and the business of course) for you and therefore it is only right for us to get a share of the pie".  It is about time to buy them now.

See this :

Paulsen Says Recession Concerns Are Overblown, Buy U.S. Stocks


By Robert Dieterich


Jan. 30 (Bloomberg) -- James Paulsen, chief investment strategist at Wells Capital Management, which oversees $200 billion, is more bullish on stocks than he's been for most of the past decade.

Rising delinquencies of U.S. subprime mortgages, the turmoil they've caused on Wall Street and falling stock prices worldwide haven't changed his stance. The investment-management committee Paulsen oversees at Minneapolis-based Wells Capital recommends clients hold 80 percent of their money in equities and the rest in bonds. Paulsen favors so-called cyclical shares that tend to rise or fall in concert with the economy.

``There's this chronic sense of pessimism in this country that's emerged since the dot-com meltdown and the terror attack,'' Paulsen said in an interview, referring to Sept. 11. ``Jobs have not gone away. The consumer is still spending. Most corporations are still making money.''

Paulsen, whose bearishness during the stock-market bubble in 1999 and 2000 was vindicated when share prices collapsed in 2001 and 2002, said he's willing to be contrarian. His view on stocks is more bullish than any of the strategists at 15 banks and brokerages surveyed by Bloomberg News.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. chief strategist Abby Joseph Cohen has the second-highest recommended stock allocation, at 75 percent. Tom McManus of Bank of America Corp. raised his equity weighting to 65 percent on Jan. 22, arguing the selloff that pulled down the Standard & Poor's 500 Index as much as 19 percent from its peak may signal it's time to buy.

Iowa Trained

Decisive evidence that weakness in home prices and sales may spill over to other parts of the economy has yet to show up in economic data, said Paulsen, who received a doctorate in economics from Iowa State University in Ames.

Foreign trade, helped by a falling dollar, entirely offset the drag exerted by the housing industry in 2007, according to Paulsen. Americans should be happy about the dollar's decline instead of worrying over a currency ``crisis,'' he said.

``Trade for the first time in 15 years is adding to real GDP growth in this country,'' he said.

Paulsen, 50, was born, raised, educated and married and took his first job in Iowa. After college, he joined SCI Financial Group, a family-owned financial-services firm in Cedar Rapids.

At age 25, having traveled by plane just once, Paulsen was sent to visit New York by John Knapp, son of SCI Financial's founder. Knapp wanted Paulsen to see firsthand where Wall Street investment advice came from.

``He wanted me to come to the conclusion that you might as well make up your own darned mind,'' Paulsen said.

Contrarian Stance

The lesson stuck. Paulsen, little swayed by the weight of opinion among Wall Street forecasters, has gone against the crowd in bullish and bearish markets. He remained skeptical as technology stocks roared to a peak in 2000. By that time, he was with Wells Capital, having joined Norwest Investment Management in 1997 and moving to Minneapolis before the 1998 merger of Norwest's parent bank and San Francisco-based Wells Fargo & Co.

Paulsen appeared prescient when the U.S. went into a recession in 2001. Business Week said in December 2001 that he was the most accurate among 54 economic forecasters the magazine tracked. Paulsen turned bullish in late June 2002.

With the S&P 500 at about 1,000, he declared that valuations had become more reasonable and recommended that his clients overweight stocks. His investment committee shifted its asset allocation to 70 percent stocks and 30 percent bonds, compared with a neutral weighting of 65 percent equities.

Market Calls

On July 23, 2002, the S&P 500 hit a low of 797, about 20 percent below the level at which Paulsen turned bullish. The troubling signs for investors ranged from declining consumer confidence to new revelations of corporate accounting frauds. Starting in October 2002, the market took off.

The S&P 500 got back to 1,000 in June 2003 and touched 1,500 last year. So Paulsen was off by a month in calling the end of a two-year bear market and the beginning of a five-year bull run. The S&P 500 closed at 1,362.30 yesterday.

Paulsen said on Jan. 22 that the U.S. will avoid a recession or that any recession will be mild. Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch & Co. are forecasting a recession. That prospect prompted the Federal Reserve to cut its benchmark interest rate by 75 basis points to 3.5 percent in an emergency move last week.

There's growing pressure to address the advantages emerging economies have exploited to capture part of U.S. consumer spending. He said currency pegs may disappear, and manufacturers in developing economies will be forced to improve the quality and safety of products and the conditions for their workers, helping to level the playing field.

Moments of Doubt

Paulsen said his goal is to accurately forecast economic trends and summon the conviction to stick to his views when short-term sentiment goes against him. Being bullish as the market bottomed in 2002 caused him the worst moments of doubt in his career, and recent weeks have been almost as bad.

Paulsen is aware that the recent decline in stocks is ``a big market move that I just missed.'' Still, he is sticking to his view that the economy in 2008 will be stronger than people expect.

``When everyone's prepared for the worst, you're setting up the economy and the markets for the best,'' he said.
 
 
AK_Francis
    31-Jan-2008 16:44  
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As what the analyst said, estate developers this yr may not get what they got last FY. Its gonna saturation leow. Thus you saw Kepland, despite a healfty gain of .78b last yr and a declaration of 20 cents of dividend, but share plunged 15 cents yesterday. Wah low, beh cheh. I kena stuck 20 lots of Kepland bought at 6.47, sigh.
 
 
Lazyhorse
    31-Jan-2008 15:13  
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ET88888,
Assuming what you say its true, with evidence abundant everywhere such as latest announcements of so many new MRT stations, new MRT lines, new roads, new HDB flats etc etc, but now sentiments is ruling more than fundamentals.
Very difficult to determine if one buy now, how long have to hold.
 
 
ET88888
    31-Jan-2008 09:35  
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The US housing slumps is a blessing in disguise to our Construction companies.  Building materials are expected to be cheaper and in abundance as the world wide shortage is no longer there.  Furthermore, the US dollar is devalued by the day.  This is indeed "Double Happiness" for our Construction industry.  It is time now to ask the Construction companies to open their books.  Most should report a few hundreds percent profits for FY 2007. 
 
 
ET88888
    24-Jan-2008 11:08  
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Our Government has been boasting of our Construction boom not only in Asia but Europe too.  Indirectly it is free advertising for our Construction companies.  It is also an indication to the Construction industry to expand its scope beyond the shores of Singapore.  In this respect, Chip Eng Seng (Vietnam), Koh Bros (China), Tiong Woon (Middle East) must be applauded for taking the lead.  It is thru this that they can extend their earnings beyond the current construction boom cycle.  Perhaps it is time for some of these companies to merge and create a major company that is worthy of being an index stock in Singapore. Having said that, perhaps it is time for the construction companies to reward its share holders with good dividends now.  

Note:  Some of thse companies have placed out their shares to funds at very high price.  Again this is an indication that they will  break those highs very soon.
 

 
ihatcoy
    21-Jan-2008 23:15  
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Totally agreed. The progressive payment upon completion of each individual project of the construction is no small amount.

E.g. for CSC. its S$19.1 million for 1H08 alone is actually no small amount already. ' Yi Qian Jiu Bai Wan ' which is a lot of S$.

I am having strong faith in counter like CSC
http://whatstocktobuy.blogspot.com/2008/01/csc-holdings-fundamentals.html
 
 
ET88888
    21-Jan-2008 09:57  
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Time, blood, sweat, tears and hundreds of miilion dollars invest in, surely u do not just hope for peanuts profits.  During last week's TV show on the Singapore Construction industry, it was stated that due to high material cost and manpower shortage, the projected profits is now around 15 - 20 % of the total project cost.  If we take 20% as a guide, $27 billions projects would yield a clean profits of $5.4 billions.  Of course, this is shared amongst the downline contractors (such as toilet specialist KingWan, Cabling Tai Sin, and many others...) too. $5.4 billions is BIG money and the major contractors such as Chip Eng Seng, Lian Beng, CSC, LC Dev, Lum Chang,  are sure BIG beneficiaries of the profits.  

 
 
 
ihatcoy
    19-Jan-2008 14:56  
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It has been reported in our Newspapers that the Construction Industry has been booming for the last 3 years and expected to continue for at least the next 2 years.  The orders for FY2007 was $27 billion and projected for another $24 billion in FY 2008.  However when these Construction Companies reported their quarterly & yearly financial statements, their profits were extremely small (mostly ranging from $1million to less than $20 million).   Worst still, most did not even give dividends.  A mere 1% profitability would have reap $.27billion for FY 2007. 

Could anyone advise if there is any ways to make them account for their "reporting".



Personally, can't comment much as I am not an expert in construction field. However, as far to my knowledge, things don't work so simple.
The billion S$ awarded does not goes to 1 or few companys. It is a big piece of cake shared. It is a summarize of the full projects in the industry.

Just talking about a Construction project alone involves many parties. Many of these steps are performed by independent crews known as subcontractors.

For example, the framing is generally done by one subcontractor specializing in framing, while the roofing is done by a completely different subcontractor specializing in roofing. Each subcontractor is an independent business. All of the subcontractors are coordinated by a contractor who oversees the job and is responsible for completing the house on time and on budget. Etc. Etc.

And the cost is pay out progressively and to many parties; so not all the earning margin would go to one company.

Will stop here, since it goes beyond my knowledge from here.
 
 
simck001
    18-Jan-2008 20:29  
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Telling you the truth. Few developments had whatever that could be scratched - scratched, whatever could be broken - broken. The quality given were the worst you could not imagine.

Marble tops scratched, window glasses scratched, toilet seats and cover scratched, metal handles scratched.

Glass panel dented, mirrors broken, floors uneven, ceilings got tiny holes, marble pieces needed replacement. Even every single piece of the drainage cover needed replacement.


All these correction of defects and replacements caused money. And the cause was man-made because of unhappiness.

 Not to mention the money they paid to the lawyers for all the disputes and the buyers to get their own contractors.

Hence you could imagine the profit margin of the construction company.

In fact it was the suppliers who made a little more profit.
 
 
 
KiLrOy
    18-Jan-2008 19:08  
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i dont think its reducing the cost of construction. for the same amount of money, one can hire more resources (people) from china and india then hiring a local to do it (if they want to do it in the first place) and also to handle more projects.  no doubt the cost of these resources are low but the inevitably the quality will be affected.
 
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