
The PE ratio is sometimes very misleading due to the Market Forces which could 'unbalance' the demand and supply of the equation. As the share px is determined by the supply and demand. Any changes in these 2 forces could set the share px in one direction or the other.
Another factor that could also affect the PE is share buy back by Company which 'artificially' changes the EPS.
Therefore, any investors would be wise not to take the PE ratio at the face value! Cheers!
i totally agree that the E in PE ratio can be totally misleading as management might have 'managed' the earnings or that the earnings as reported in last financial year is unsustainable.
Perhaps for novince investor we could simply take the average of past 5 - 7 years earnings to arrive at a 'normal' earnings. With that we it may seem that many local property stocks that are sporting low teens to mid teens may actually have a PE of way above 20.
The P/E ratio (price-to-earnings ratio) of a stock (also called its "earnings multiple", or simply "multiple", "P/E", or "PE") is a measure of the price paid for a share relative to the income or profit earned by the firm per share.[citation needed] A higher P/E ratio means that investors are paying more for each unit of income. It is a valuation ratio included in other financial ratios. The reciprocal of the P/E ratio is known as the earnings yield[1].
The price per share (numerator) is the market price of a single share of the stock. The earnings per share (denominator) is the net income of the company for the most recent 12 month period, divided by number of shares outstanding. The earnings per share (EPS) used can also be the "diluted EPS" or the "comprehensive EPS".
For example, if stock A is trading at $24 and the earnings per share for the most recent 12 month period is $3, then stock A has a P/E ratio of 24/3 or 8. Put another way, the purchaser of stock A is paying $8 for every dollar of earnings. Companies with losses (negative earnings) or no profit have an undefined P/E ratio (usually shown as Not applicable or "N/A"); sometimes, however, a negative P/E ratio may be shown.
By comparing price and earnings per share for a company, one can analyze the market's stock valuation of a company and its shares relative to the income the company is actually generating.[citation needed] Investors can use the P/E ratio to compare the value of stocks: if one stock has a P/E twice that of another stock, all things being equal, it is a less attractive investment. Companies are rarely equal, however, and comparisons between industries, countries, and time periods may be misleading.
Check out this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PE_ratio
The article posted by hogenterprise is fantastic. It provides smaller investors to 'pick' good companies (high ROE) at low price (low PE)
I think that on top of high ROE and high Earnings yields, we should also screen for debt level. The use of high debt may artifically boost ROE, and lower PE. Imagine a company issue debt for the sole purpose of retiring shares, with the number of shares outstanding reduced, EPS will increase, thus reducing PE all other things being equal.
Will a screen for low Debt to Equity ratio be sufficient to screen out these high leverage companies?
PE = share price / EPS = mkt cap / net profit = (mkt cap/equity) / (net profit /equity) = PTB / ROE = 1 / earning yield
Dividing the former by the latter gives us EPS divided by price per share, which is earnings yield. So stocks with high ROE/PTB are also those with high earnings yield.
And we could go one step further. Earnings yield is the inverse of price-earnings (PE) ratio. So stocks with high earnings yield are also low PE stocks.
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Trading Techniques / Super stock returns: ROE/PTB v ROE v PTB / Posted: 14-Jul-2007 19:27 |
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Published July 14, 2007
Super stock returns: ROE/PTB v ROE v PTB
By TEH HOOI LING SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
LAST week's article - In Search Of Super Returns In Stocks - struck a chord with readers and investors out there, judging by the number of emails I received.
For those who missed it, basically I screened all the stocks listed on the Singapore Exchange from 1990 until 2006 based on their return on equity and price-to-book ratio.
I then grouped the stocks into 10 portfolios with equal numbers of stocks, starting from those with the highest ratio when we divided ROE by price-to-book, to the lowest. This screening process can help us identify some mispriced stocks.
A company that is able to generate a high return on equity - one that exceeds its cost of equity - should trade at a higher price than the book value of its equity. And vice versa. But if a company generates a relatively high ROE, yet is trading at a relatively low price-to-book ratio (PTB), careful analysis is warranted.
There could be legitimate reasons for the low valuation. For example, the earnings were due to exceptional items. If not, the stock may be under-priced.
The use of ROE/PTB takes into consideration not only the underlying earnings capacity of a company, but also how much of that has been factored into its stock price.
But without any detailed analysis other than simply grouping stocks based on ROE/PTB, I found that investors can actually generate super returns.
By investing in the 10 per cent of stocks with the highest ROE/PTB every year between 1990 and 2006, and holding each portfolio for a year, one could have turned $100 into $34,000 over the past 17 years. That's a compounded return of 41 per cent a year. All the calculations exclude transaction costs.
If we assume that the investor had lost 10 per cent of the portfolio value to transaction costs every year, the return is still a respectable 27 per cent a year. But in absolute terms the portfolio value today, at $5,678, is significantly less than the $34,000 which excludes transaction costs.
From the above, we can see that ROE/PTB is a good screening tool.
Separate rankings
If we pick stocks just based on ROE or just based on PTB, do we get results that are as good?
I decided to test this based on the same set of data last week. This time around, I ranked stocks based purely on their ROEs first. Again, I grouped them into 10 portfolios, with the first 10 per cent or first decile being stocks with the lowest ROEs. The 10th decile was made up of stocks with the highest ROEs.
As can be seen from the chart, screening stocks using just their ROE still yields good returns. $100 invested in the highest ROE portfolio every year would grow to $8,752 today. That's a compounded annual return of 30 per cent.
But it would lag the performance of the basket of stocks with high ROE yet low PTB.
For both the first and second screening, I excluded loss-making companies.
Next, I ranked the stocks based on their PTB ratios. For this, I did not remove loss-making companies. The first decile is made up of stocks with the lowest PTB ratios. Some could even have negative PTB ratios. And the 10th decile consists of stocks with high PTB ratios.
As you can see from the third chart, there is a clear distinction in performance as well. The lower the PTB, the higher the return. And conversely, the higher the PTB, the lower the return. The lowest PTB stocks generated about 15 per cent return a year, while the highest PTB stocks chalked up a 7.3 per cent loss a year.
However, the returns of portfolio ranked purely on PTB ratio lagged those screened by ROE/PTB or purely on ROE.
One of the reasons for the under-performance could be the continued poor performance of loss-making companies. Other studies previously have found PTB to be the best predictor stock performance. Particularly so when there is a turnaround in the economy. This is also evident in five portfolios that The Business Times tracks every Monday.
But it takes guts to go against the crowd and buy into downtrodden stocks.
So perhaps, the ROE/PTB is a more comfortable approach for many. And as the results above indicated, it is rather rewarding as well.
It does, however, require a little more work. The use of ROE/PTB takes into consideration not only the underlying earnings capacity of a company, but also how much of that has been factored into its stock price.
So if a company can rake in good earnings and good growth and its share price has fully reflected that, it may not be a good stock to buy. What one wants is good earnings growth that is not recognised by the market.
Variations
A reader pointed out that with some simplifications, ROE is earnings per share (EPS) divided by net tangible assets (NTA). And PTB is price per share divided by NTA.
Dividing the former by the latter gives us EPS divided by price per share, which is earnings yield. So stocks with high ROE/PTB are also those with high earnings yield.
And we could go one step further. Earnings yield is the inverse of price-earnings (PE) ratio. So stocks with high earnings yield are also low PE stocks.
'Notwithstanding the mathematical accuracy, ROE relative to value is an interesting approach to investing,' he wrote. 'I have been using something similar for some time to good effect (ROE divided by PE coupled with some other criteria like minimum dividend payout and low debt to equity).
'A variation was also suggested in the book The Little Book That Beats The Market by Joel Greenblatt which uses ROE divided by return on invested capital (to correct for the use of excessive financial leverage). He even has a website www.magicformulainvesting.com to automatically select US stocks that meet the criteria.'
The reader added that the most comprehensive book he has come across on this is What Works On Wall Street by James P O'Shaughnessy.
So anyway, for the many who have asked, I have generated a table - using data from Bloomberg - showing 30 stocks with high ROE/PTB. Some of the numbers may be skewed by one-off items, so some analysis is advised before any action is taken.
The writer is a CFA charterholder. She can be reached at hooiling@sph.com.sg
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Let's return to the main subject of +ve PE and -ve PE ratio.
My understanding as a layman is that the former indicate the projected time frame(years + months) an investor can expect to earn back its capital provided the company maintain its current profit margin without taking into consideration the inflation. -ve PE is just the opposite, it will wrap up an investor's capital over the same projected period should his invested company continue to stay in the red with that same amount of losses.
PE is still widely use as of today by investors world wide since it last invented by Benjamin Graham the father of value investing. However, investor should calculate its ratio base on timely company's Q. result and better still projected one in order to stay ahead of the general market.

CAGR is important to determine how fast is the company is growing or growing at all.
P/B ratio is to determine whether the share price is too expensive comapred to their book value.
How high these figures are to be expensive differ sectors to sectors. Hence, I agree with ten4one that the easiest way is to compare among same trades or sector.
It is very true that using PE alone is not enough; but if you must then it is better to compare the Company with that of the same trades or sector. It is important to note that PE ratio could be 'doctored' to look good by 'fanciful' Accountants within the rules of the 'game'! Cheers!
A good alternative is to use the Cash Flows method.
Growth in EPS alone does reveal the value of a stock. One has to also consider the share price. So, P/E is (Share Price)/EPS.
P/E is actually an indication of ROI. Say, a stock (Co.A)priced @ P/E 15X and this stock has consistent annual earnings, but zero growth, then the ROI is effectively 6.7% (1/15 x 100%) or you get your return on investment in 15 years
In valuation of a stock, one should also consider the growth potential. Now, compare a company (Co. B) with say 20% compounded growth and trading at a P/E of 15X, it has an ROI of approx 7 yrs 7 mths or 13.2%.
Thus, Co.B offers better valuation than Co.A
Of course there are many other factors involved in investment decisions.
It is possible.
PE ratio = price / earnings
If company is losing money, then earnings is negative so PE ratio is negative.
As far as my understanding goes, P/E ratio is the preferred ratio to use when contemplating the feasibility of buying a stock (or for you purists out there, a part of a business :P).
But can other ratios work just as well?
And if the P/E ratio is an indication of how many years an investor can expect to wait before earning a return, then what's the meaning behind a negative P/E ratio?