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Tiencheong
    04-Aug-2013 00:17  
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Agreed

warrenbegger      ( Date: 02-Aug-2013 21:31) Posted:



To Rosesyrup,

U had done a good job, I enjoy your personal analysis or research.

Weather u totally right or wrong doesn't matter, u just sharing your analysis. Thanks  :)



*I feel u more like a Continuous Improvement Manager or Analyst..

 
 
warrenbegger
    02-Aug-2013 21:31  
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To Rosesyrup,

U had done a good job, I enjoy your personal analysis or research.

Weather u totally right or wrong doesn't matter, u just sharing your analysis. Thanks  :)



*I feel u more like a Continuous Improvement Manager or Analyst..
 
 
Rosesyrup
    02-Aug-2013 03:15  
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Lol at  ohm136. Should I thank you for snide comment? Or should I send back a snide comment when SPHreit price falls a little?

I guess neither, cause I have no interest in starting a childish war of tongues. Anway if you have spent more time thinking, you would have realised that the small investors (including you and me) using this forum have no power over actual market forces which are dominated by big fund managers. Simply put, my comments post no  threat to the stock price and there is no reason for you to act so defensively. Well, what can I expect from someone who can't differentiate paper value from real value.

  Fret not, I have found just the perfect article that explains the difference between real (intrinsic) value and paper value. Hope it supplement your knowledge. Enjoy reading it.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2013/08/01/time-to-sell-facebook-valuation.html

 

PEACE LOL

 

 

 
ohm136
    01-Aug-2013 16:23  
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Hi Rosesyrup

It is good to know that you are in a short position hope that you will be " in the money" soon. Good luck and wish you all the best.

Regards

ohm136
 
 
Rosesyrup
    31-Jul-2013 18:04  
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The IPO is a value creation for shareholders.

YupYup, I did not and dare not  refute this point. IPO obviously creates value since it increase the liquidity of the counters. However the point I was trying to emphasize, all along, is that how much actual value can investers gain  by buying SPH Reit at 90cents and above?

Refering to your earlier comment: " This may be a case of the seller sold to the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created."   You were saying that so long as the price of the reit keep hiking, value is being created. What I was trying to say is the price of the reit can flactuate wilding from seconds to seconds, but the real worth of the reit really depends on its future return. In the long run,  the price of the reit has to be near its real woth. Otherwise the high premium over the fair value of the reit is nothing more than nought. If continuous rising share price creates REAL (the keyword here) value, we would have seen many counters trading at millions per share.  Since we did not see this happening in the real world, it means share price depend on the fair value of owning that particular asset. Thus it would be more pratical to discuss about fair value of the asset- Fundamental Analysis- and you might like to share your view on that.

Anyway if you take a closer look, the price is retracting and the selling actvity  is picking up. This is most probably due to profit taking by speculators who were alloted with the shares during the IPO. These speculators normally employ short term  strategy of applying for the share and selling it within 1-2 weeks after the IPO, hoping to make an immediate gain of around 20%. Since most of them constantly hunt for new IPO shares and do not really have the capital to hold multiple counters simultaneously for a prolong period of time, most of them would be gone (leave this counters)  within a month or so. And after 3 months, the investors that are left are mostly long term investors looking forward to stable return. Since long term investors depend more on fundamental analysis, I expect to see price start heading southward for the next few weeks,  till it reaches the market fair value. According to  the calculation that I have done, I give it a fair value of 87cents****. Though unlikely, a good price to enter would be 79cents.

I am vested with a short position on this counter.

**** The 87cents fair value is based on my own personal calculation and opinion. I urge you to do your own assessment and calculation for any relevant decision making purpose.


ohm136      ( Date: 31-Jul-2013 15:27) Posted:

There is no confusion. The IPO is a value creation for shareholders. Read the definition of value creation as follows:

The performance of actions that increase the worth of goods, services or even a business. Many business operators now focus on value creation both in the context of creating better value for customers purchasing its products and services, as well as for shareholders in the business who want to see their stake appreciate in value.






Rosesyrup      ( Date: 30-Jul-2013 17:50) Posted:



Allow me to answer your questions in 2 steps:

1) Is SPH the MA & controlling 70% of SPHREIT?

Yup, SPH is still  a major holder of the Reit. But look at it from another perspective, if the malls were such good investments, why would SPH want to reduce its stake from 100%? There is also no gurantee that SPH will not reduce the 70% stake in the next 5 years. From what I see, suffering losses from 70% of the capital is better than taking losses from the  full amount (100%).  In my opinion,the only reason that SPH is still holding on to major stake, is purely to retain investors' confidence in the reit and therefore  enable it  to command a high price while it retreat from the assets.   

2) This may be a case of the seller sold to the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created.

It is dangerous to confuse Real Value with Paper Value. Real Value of an asset comes from its future value, in this case the rental revenue and captial appreciation of the 2 malls.  On the other hand, what you mentioned is paper value and it can fluctuate wildly  . ULTIMATELY  paper value has to be    supported by real value, otherwise the " Significant amount of value that has been created" would be nothing more than the value of used tissue paper (worthless). Thus it would more pramatic and useful  to discuss about the real value and fundamental of the reit.





 


 
 
ohm136
    31-Jul-2013 15:27  
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There is no confusion. The IPO is a value creation for shareholders. Read the definition of value creation as follows:

The performance of actions that increase the worth of goods, services or even a business. Many business operators now focus on value creation both in the context of creating better value for customers purchasing its products and services, as well as for shareholders in the business who want to see their stake appreciate in value.






Rosesyrup      ( Date: 30-Jul-2013 17:50) Posted:



Allow me to answer your questions in 2 steps:

1) Is SPH the MA & controlling 70% of SPHREIT?

Yup, SPH is still  a major holder of the Reit. But look at it from another perspective, if the malls were such good investments, why would SPH want to reduce its stake from 100%? There is also no gurantee that SPH will not reduce the 70% stake in the next 5 years. From what I see, suffering losses from 70% of the capital is better than taking losses from the  full amount (100%).  In my opinion,the only reason that SPH is still holding on to major stake, is purely to retain investors' confidence in the reit and therefore  enable it  to command a high price while it retreat from the assets.   

2) This may be a case of the seller sold to the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created.

It is dangerous to confuse Real Value with Paper Value. Real Value of an asset comes from its future value, in this case the rental revenue and captial appreciation of the 2 malls.  On the other hand, what you mentioned is paper value and it can fluctuate wildly  . ULTIMATELY  paper value has to be    supported by real value, otherwise the " Significant amount of value that has been created" would be nothing more than the value of used tissue paper (worthless). Thus it would more pramatic and useful  to discuss about the real value and fundamental of the reit.





 

ohm136      ( Date: 30-Jul-2013 15:07) Posted:



Is SPH the MA & controlling 70% of SPHREIT?    This may be a case of the seller sold to  the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at  a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created.

 


 

 
Juzztrade
    31-Jul-2013 13:08  
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Vol getting lower

Last Trades Vol BuyVol Mid SellVol
0.985 213 1,097 1,097 0 0
0.990 80 415 0 0 415
TOTAL 293 1,512 1,097 0 415
 
 
 
Rosesyrup
    30-Jul-2013 17:50  
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Allow me to answer your questions in 2 steps:

1) Is SPH the MA & controlling 70% of SPHREIT?

Yup, SPH is still  a major holder of the Reit. But look at it from another perspective, if the malls were such good investments, why would SPH want to reduce its stake from 100%? There is also no gurantee that SPH will not reduce the 70% stake in the next 5 years. From what I see, suffering losses from 70% of the capital is better than taking losses from the  full amount (100%).  In my opinion,the only reason that SPH is still holding on to major stake, is purely to retain investors' confidence in the reit and therefore  enable it  to command a high price while it retreat from the assets.   

2) This may be a case of the seller sold to the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created.

It is dangerous to confuse Real Value with Paper Value. Real Value of an asset comes from its future value, in this case the rental revenue and captial appreciation of the 2 malls.  On the other hand, what you mentioned is paper value and it can fluctuate wildly  . ULTIMATELY  paper value has to be    supported by real value, otherwise the " Significant amount of value that has been created" would be nothing more than the value of used tissue paper (worthless). Thus it would more pramatic and useful  to discuss about the real value and fundamental of the reit.





 

ohm136      ( Date: 30-Jul-2013 15:07) Posted:



Is SPH the MA & controlling 70% of SPHREIT?    This may be a case of the seller sold to  the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at  a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created.

 

 
 
ohm136
    30-Jul-2013 15:07  
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Is SPH the MA & controlling 70% of SPHREIT?    This may be a case of the seller sold to  the buyer at a high price and the buyer resold (IPO) it at  a higher price (90 cts ps) ...........and the market paid for it at an even higher price (98 - 99 cts). Thus, a significant amount of value has been created.

 
 
 
Rosesyrup
    30-Jul-2013 13:43  
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Okok, let put it this way:

-SPH and SPH Reit are two different entities now.

-SPH sold the two malls to SPH Reit

-And according to you, SPH did the right thing. In another word, you mean SPH benefited from selling the 2 properties to SPH Reit.

-Since in a transaction, buyer and seller have got opposing interest- buyer wants lower price and seller wants higher price.

-SPH benefited from the transaction (or did the right move), means it sold the two malls at higher price. And the buyer, SPH Reit, lose out from the transaction by  buying at a high price.

-Therefore the conclusion is SPH Reit and its shareholders did not get the better end of the deal. Meanwhile SPH and its shareholders are the winners from this transaction, thus the listing of SPH Reit is a right move.

-Look, we have got exactly the same conclusion.

-BTW my understanding for AGM is that it is only good for clarifying  stuff that is already presented on the prospectus. Don't expect to hear much about weakness and risks of the business that has not been publicised. Just like financial statement, AGM is another platform where company emphasize positive news about itself. Nevertheless, this is understandable since the management remuneration is pegged to the company's share price. Thus,  it is really up to investors to do their research to uncover true  risks and problems within the company.

:) Cheers.

 

ohm136      ( Date: 30-Jul-2013 00:07) Posted:

The questions were raised and answered at the recent AGM. I tend to agree with them that SPH is not short of cash and the listing of SPH Reit  is a  right move. 

Rosesyrup      ( Date: 29-Jul-2013 15:25) Posted:



Some good questions to think about:

1) Why did SPH choose to list its  reit now?

2) Is SPH short of cash? (The annual fat dividend already  answered this question)

3) Assuming your answer to question 2 is " NO" too. If SPH reit is such a good investment, why would SPH want to spin it off? SPH has no history of spinning off and its management could have retained the two properties and so earn higher remuneration from the wider job scope. To answer this question, check out the price at which SPH acquired Clementi Mall.

4) Commericial reits are cyclical counters, they are worth much more during economy expansion. Why did SPH  rush to list the reit just when economy show a weak sign of recovery?  Couldn't SPH wait for another year or so, when economy recovery is certain and liquidity in the market  is higher? To answer this question,  check out the new malls which are going to start operating in 2 years time and their impact on the retail rental market.

Afer answering the 4 questions, it should give a rough idea of the proportion of meat(benefits) and bone (costs) still left on this counter.


 

 
ohm136
    30-Jul-2013 00:07  
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The questions were raised and answered at the recent AGM. I tend to agree with them that SPH is not short of cash and the listing of SPH Reit  is a  right move. 

Rosesyrup      ( Date: 29-Jul-2013 15:25) Posted:



Some good questions to think about:

1) Why did SPH choose to list its  reit now?

2) Is SPH short of cash? (The annual fat dividend already  answered this question)

3) Assuming your answer to question 2 is " NO" too. If SPH reit is such a good investment, why would SPH want to spin it off? SPH has no history of spinning off and its management could have retained the two properties and so earn higher remuneration from the wider job scope. To answer this question, check out the price at which SPH acquired Clementi Mall.

4) Commericial reits are cyclical counters, they are worth much more during economy expansion. Why did SPH  rush to list the reit just when economy show a weak sign of recovery?  Couldn't SPH wait for another year or so, when economy recovery is certain and liquidity in the market  is higher? To answer this question,  check out the new malls which are going to start operating in 2 years time and their impact on the retail rental market.

Afer answering the 4 questions, it should give a rough idea of the proportion of meat(benefits) and bone (costs) still left on this counter.

 
 
Rosesyrup
    29-Jul-2013 15:25  
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Some good questions to think about:

1) Why did SPH choose to list its  reit now?

2) Is SPH short of cash? (The annual fat dividend already  answered this question)

3) Assuming your answer to question 2 is " NO" too. If SPH reit is such a good investment, why would SPH want to spin it off? SPH has no history of spinning off and its management could have retained the two properties and so earn higher remuneration from the wider job scope. To answer this question, check out the price at which SPH acquired Clementi Mall.

4) Commericial reits are cyclical counters, they are worth much more during economy expansion. Why did SPH  rush to list the reit just when economy show a weak sign of recovery?  Couldn't SPH wait for another year or so, when economy recovery is certain and liquidity in the market  is higher? To answer this question,  check out the new malls which are going to start operating in 2 years time and their impact on the retail rental market.

Afer answering the 4 questions, it should give a rough idea of the proportion of meat(benefits) and bone (costs) still left on this counter.
 
 
Rosesyrup
    29-Jul-2013 14:33  
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Overvalued. Will suffer from competition from new malls in 2 years time. This is especially true for Clementi mall. My TP: $0.87.
 
 
Shirleyfong88888
    29-Jul-2013 14:14  
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Hope this is a Good counter......😊
Pray it can shoot up > S$1
 
 
Juzztrade
    29-Jul-2013 11:51  
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More buy up than sell down

Last Trades Vol BuyVol Mid SellVol
0.985 39 650 650 0 0
0.990 231 9,703 374 0 9,329
0.995 1 10 0 0 10
TOTAL 271 10,363 1,024 0 9,339


NoMoney      ( Date: 29-Jul-2013 11:07) Posted:

looks like buying interest is back

 

 
NoMoney
    29-Jul-2013 11:07  
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looks like buying interest is back
 
 
teeth53
    29-Jul-2013 09:02  
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Different $tock, different winning $treak...

http://www.financeasia.com/News/350428,singapore-reit-ipos-raise-a-combined-863-million.aspx

A comparision between SPH n OUE IPOs offering...Happi reading and it performance there after.
 
 
CitizenBeng
    28-Jul-2013 11:16  
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SPH REIT - How can it afford unitholder payouts?

22/7/2013 – Media group Singapore Press Holdings (SPH) is finally listing its iconic properties – Paragon and the Clementi Mall – in the form of a Real Estate Investment Trust.

It lists Wednesday at a price of S$0.90 per unit.

The placement was oversubscribed 42 times, for malls which are valued at more than S$3 bln and have a committed occupancy of 100%, thanks to their location.

Further details about the properties can be found on page 109 of the prospectus.

But a reading of the prospectus leaves 13 questions that need to be asked.

Chief among these is the apparent shortfall in its operating cash flow to pay all its bills.

By our calculation, it will not have enough to pay its debts and interest, upgrade lifts and escalators at the Paragon, and still pay unitholders a minimum 90% of Net Income.

Then there is the issue of the income support SPH is still receiving – and will continue to receive for another five years – for its Clementi Mall.

This income support boosts the yield. What happens when this support ends?

Then there are broad questions about how SPH – the parent company – will fare without full ownership of the malls.

Earnings from the Paragon was a wonderful buffer when its traditional print business took a dive. Henceforth it will only own 70% of the malls.

We have 13 questions that need to be asked.

SPH has declined to answer them.

FINANCIALS

The REIT has disclosed results for H1 FY13:

Gross revenue: +4.4% to S$97.4 mln
Net property income: +5.1% to S$71.5 mln
Distributable income: +7.3% to S$53 mln
Cash flow from operations: S$69.8 mln vs S$70.9 mln

The REIT's historical numbers are not comparable as the Clementi Mall, which comprises 18.5% of the initial portfolio, was only available for full occupation in March 2011.

But Paragon has achieved 100% committed occupancy rate for the past three years and Clementi Mall has also achieved 100% committed occupancy rate since it opened in 2011.

Adding H1 FY13 actual revenue numbers to the projections for H2 and comparing it with forecast FY14 numbers, we deduce that growth in revenue for FY13 will be 3% for this year and 4% for FY14.

Growth in distributable income will be 15% in FY13 and 13% in FY14.

The distribution yield for FY13 is forecast at 5.58% and 5.79% for FY14.

But investors need to be aware that SPH REIT will receive rental support for its Clementi Mall from the vendor, CM Domain, for up to the next five years from the listing date.

In the event that Clementi Mall's net property income falls below the guaranteed income amount of S$31 mln per annum, the vendor will pay the difference to the Trustee up to S$20 mln.

The aggregate top-up payments for H2 FY13 and FY14 amount to S$2.7 mln and S$4.7 mln.

That doesn't sound like much, but FY14 income support represents almost one-fifth of property income at Clementi Mall (18.1%).

And without income support (and all else being equal) the yield will fall to 5.35% for FY13, and 5.58% for FY14.

Question 1. Why will it take up to another five years before income support is no longer required?

And the obvious follow-up question is:

Question 2. What is SPH REIT's plan to not depend on the income support from CM Domain?

Then there are questions surrounding its cash flow.

Its distribution policy of 100% in FY13 and 90% in FY14 may make it difficult to meet all of its obligations to repay any future borrowings through its cash flow from operations.

On page 57 of the prospectus, SPH REIT states categorically: " SPH REIT may not be able to meet all of its obligations to repay any future borrowings through its cash flow from operations" .

Upon listing, SPH REIT will have in place a secured term loan facility of S$975 mln which will be drawn upon for an amount of S$850 mln.

The facility will be used to part finance the acquisition by SPH REIT of the properties.

One third of the Facility is repayable in each of three, five and seven years.

This should come to around S$90 mln of principal payment per year starting from next year.

Deducing from the proforma financial numbers, cash flow from operating activities should be around S$140 mln per year.

On a base case scenario, it will have to distribute income to unitholders of around S$90 mln, pay for debt of approximately S$90 mln and interest expense of around S$15 mln.

Capital expenditure is expected to be S$14.4 mln in FY14 as per the prospectus.

This totals to almost S$210 mln, which is far more than expected cash flow from operations of S$140 mln leading to a difference of S$69 mln.

Question 3. How can SPH REIT afford a big payout without going further into debt, or issuing new units?

Its proforma cash balance for H1 FY13 stood at S$43.6 mln, which is still less to cover up for the difference.

The bottom line: it will have to roll over loans, or issue new units, or both.

Further details can be found on page 48 of the prospectus.

(Total: 13 questions)

We have sent these questions to the company to invite them for an on-camera interview, and/or seek their written response.

SPH has declined to comment.

 
 
Kensonic77
    28-Jul-2013 11:10  
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SINGAPORE PRESS HLDGS LTD
Particulars : SGD 0.18 ONE-TIER TAX
Ex-date : 01 Aug 2013
Buy-In Last Cum Date : 05 Aug 2013
Record Date : 05 Aug 2013
Date Paid/Payable : 16 Aug 2013
 
 
teeth53
    27-Jul-2013 09:59  
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SPHREIT - Last done $0.99c +0.010c on Volume of 17,029,000 mil shr changed hands.
Teeth53 thot - As dollar stk where it belong...coming soon. Recommended to hold. SPH Reit - Final count is more impt.
 
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