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What will happen if US debt ceiling is not rise.

Our view in-line with the market in advance, not bad :)

warrenbegger      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 22:28) Posted: I will not be unhappy with U (maybe i am the other 10% that agreed with U). What U said is fact and possibility of what will happen next so why blame U :) U just said what U know and wish to let others know what danger U thinks that comes ahead, it just infor and listen or not is other peoples business, not U. And U r not stupid, u just being careful and play safe, nothing wrong with that :) Warning is better than telling others anyhow to load during this uncertian market enviroment. If unlucky mutli link problems erupt together in a single moment, that will cause the crash of the stock market. And in the past thats how stock crash works, a sudden crash that no one can predict, it just comes at a single moment. But want to kanna stock crash is very hard also, it need mutli bad rotten news to happen in a single moment together and must need all investor/player all over the world to cause it to happen, thats why if big tree fallen, all monkey run for life. I dont know how bad or how good market will become, but in term of a careful player like my style, i find i better stay sidelines for safer sign from heaven first. I dont predict the market, i let market play by itself and i join in the fun when market invite me for a dance:) andreytan      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 21:23) Posted:   I know this, i know after you read this, 90% out there will not be happy with me. Because , basically, people buy fundamental and hold. So they only like to hear gd thing and not bad, This is not wise, we must be realistic, afterall, we are living in the actual moment now, not dreaming.   But be comforted that we can make this adversity to our advantage, by buying when mkt is at the new low. I am just a messenger, and read and post what i have read. So you can only blame my stupidity, not the actual " me" If you only want to hear good thing, then be prepare to suffer when bad thing come, simple as that.

 

Hahahah... you know where is the safest place now..... not US, not China , not even Switzerland ......

ITS SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!

now the wealthy Brits are on the run ....

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/9748322

Cheer

 

In fact, what you post here will be the reality. Preparing bullets now to grab  somewhere before   the 11th hour.

andreytan      ( Date: 17-Jul-2011 21:42) Posted: I think the debt ceiling deal will most likely be done on compromise basis at the eleven hour. So till then, mkt may be volatile. If one do not have stomach for volatility, it is best to stay on the side line and wait for thing to play out.  So i think this week mkt will get worse. Be prepare, protect your profit, don't let it turn to loses. I think if one want to buy, then buy at the eleven hour also, that is close to Aug 2, mkt will be whack down, buy slowly then. Most likely to get cheap. I am betting on the last min done deal. pls do your sum, this is my opionion.

 

going by past historical market crashes,,,, if there is one coming because of US debt or EU PIGS(Portugal, Italy/Ireland, Greece, Spain) , it seems likely to be month of OCTOBER 

while AUGUST maybe possible, one has to prepare for the BIG one in OCTOBER....be prepare, protect your capital and maintain good cash balance..... if eventually no market crashes, than good LUCK to ALL....

 

Nah... Soviet Union has a short history and is a consortium of idealistic people with greedy owners to begin with ...

US on the other hand has idealistic and greedy people with idealistic and greedy owners ....

so it is the disintegration of global capital that is more likely ... US manage to convince everyone in the world to expand their economy with debts...

So screwed all other nationals except US for getting themselves in this mess in the first place

Cheer

 

I think the debt ceiling deal will most likely be done on compromise basis at the eleven hour. So till then, mkt may be volatile.

If one do not have stomach for volatility, it is best to stay on the side line and wait for thing to play out. 

So i think this week mkt will get worse. Be prepare, protect your profit, don't let it turn to loses.

I think if one want to buy, then buy at the eleven hour also, that is close to Aug 2, mkt will be whack down, buy slowly then.

Most likely to get cheap. I am betting on the last min done deal. pls do your sum, this is my opionion.


 

 

I do hope the answer is not disintegration of the states like Soviet Union before!

KiKiKi      ( Date: 17-Jul-2011 13:06) Posted: Even if they were to raise the debt ceiling, the party would go on for maybe a few more months or so. Then what happens? Raise the debt ceiling again? The fundamental problem is that the US is not a competitive market much more as other countries catches up. The root of the problem has not been solved. They have some hits like Google and Apple. But these industries are not labor intensive (outsourced to other countries) and they will not help the US economy in terms of employment rate and consumption. How then would the US economy be saved?  I tell you, its World War 3 that will save the US if it ever happens. steadylar      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 13:59) Posted: After all the wayang, the vote  to raise debt ceiling will  get thru one la, they hv to, no choice.  Which  Republican dare to be blamed  for sending  US and the  whole world into another Lehman moment?  His name will be permanently in history, not  as a hero but a fool!!

 

I can't believe those bankers who got the world into this mess in the first place are getting richer while the rest of the world are getter poorer!

MasterNg9999      ( Date: 17-Jul-2011 11:11) Posted: Hahaha... not the first time the world got screwed by the US and it would not be the last time.... now the issue is bigger in any of the screwed in history .... because the US are being screwed themselves........ hahaha GOP are screwing the Democrats big time........ thats more fun and entertainment .... Singapore would be affected to a certain degree as Singapore have got back alot of their capital and invest them in natural resources and gold..... and silver too... Cheer tanglinboy      ( Date: 17-Jul-2011 08:48) Posted: If the US don't get their act together, the rest of the world are screwed!

 

Even if they were to raise the debt ceiling, the party would go on for maybe a few more months or so.

Then what happens? Raise the debt ceiling again?

The fundamental problem is that the US is not a competitive market much more as other countries catches up. The root of the problem has not been solved.

They have some hits like Google and Apple. But these industries are not labor intensive (outsourced to other countries) and they will not help the US economy in terms of employment rate and consumption.

How then would the US economy be saved? 

I tell you, its World War 3 that will save the US if it ever happens.

steadylar      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 13:59) Posted: After all the wayang, the vote  to raise debt ceiling will  get thru one la, they hv to, no choice.  Which  Republican dare to be blamed  for sending  US and the  whole world into another Lehman moment?  His name will be permanently in history, not  as a hero but a fool!!

 

Hahaha... not the first time the world got screwed by the US and it would not be the last time....

now the issue is bigger in any of the screwed in history .... because the US are being screwed themselves........ hahaha

GOP are screwing the Democrats big time........ thats more fun and entertainment ....

Singapore would be affected to a certain degree as Singapore have got back alot of their capital and invest them in natural resources and gold.....

and silver too...

Cheer

tanglinboy      ( Date: 17-Jul-2011 08:48) Posted: If the US don't get their act together, the rest of the world are screwed!

 

U.S. National Debt Clock in real time.14 trillion



Time is running out. Take a look.

U.S. National Debt Clock

 

If the US don't get their act together, the rest of the world are screwed!

 

I will not be unhappy with U (maybe i am the other 10% that agreed with U). What U said is fact and possibility of what will happen next so why blame U :) U just said what U know and wish to let others know what danger U thinks that comes ahead, it just infor and listen or not is other peoples business, not U. And U r not stupid, u just being careful and play safe, nothing wrong with that :) Warning is better than telling others anyhow to load during this uncertian market enviroment.

If unlucky mutli link problems erupt together in a single moment, that will cause the crash of the stock market. And in the past thats how stock crash works, a sudden crash that no one can predict, it just comes at a single moment. But want to kanna stock crash is very hard also, it need mutli bad rotten news to happen in a single moment together and must need all investor/player all over the world to cause it to happen, thats why if big tree fallen, all monkey run for life.

I dont know how bad or how good market will become, but in term of a careful player like my style, i find i better stay sidelines for safer sign from heaven first.

I dont predict the market, i let market play by itself and i join in the fun when market invite me for a dance:)

andreytan      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 21:23) Posted:   I know this, i know after you read this, 90% out there will not be happy with me. Because , basically, people buy fundamental and hold. So they only like to hear gd thing and not bad, This is not wise, we must be realistic, afterall, we are living in the actual moment now, not dreaming.   But be comforted that we can make this adversity to our advantage, by buying when mkt is at the new low. I am just a messenger, and read and post what i have read. So you can only blame my stupidity, not the actual " me" If you only want to hear good thing, then be prepare to suffer when bad thing come, simple as that. andreytan      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 20:47) Posted: Republican blame Obama for big spending, and fail to bring down unemployment. So they will ask American what logic do further spending will do and can do to save the economy, when in the first place it did not. And republican want debt ceiling cap. If this is cap, America cannot spend big to rifle the current weak and fragile economy. And those rating agency already warn them, even if debt ceiling is passed with cap( if Obama compromise), they will still downgrade US. They not only downgrade US, the top 20 financial inst, include Citigrp, BOA, Morgan Stanley and the like will be downgrade as well....u go read them. These top 20 hold some few hundred trillion worth of derivative, enough to send the whole world to hell 10 times over, not to scare you. that means your sti will be what???you say...i thk a new super low. idont know how low, but definitely lower than the 2009. If Singapore 0.5% growth, which country can achieve better growth. Now ECRI forcast global growth to slow for the next few quater.Even if US is OK, europe will not survive, becoas no growth equal no money to pay, equal default. Right now they are already in trouble, if world growth slow, they can only get worse. And we got China, even after monetery tightening the inflation rate is still high. If tighten further they are going to cause a spike in unemployment. with high unemployment and high inflation, social unrest will escalate. Another ME in the making. so instead of pretending everthing is going to turn out right in the immediate future is reckless.(maybe 10 yrs from now it will be ok, not now)   protect your capital with stop loss, that is all we can do, make sure we protect ourselves, mho.

 

 

I know this, i know after you read this, 90% out there will not be happy with me. Because , basically, people buy fundamental and hold.

So they only like to hear gd thing and not bad, This is not wise, we must be realistic, afterall, we are living in the actual moment now, not dreaming.

  But be comforted that we can make this adversity to our advantage, by buying when mkt is at the new low.

I am just a messenger, and read and post what i have read. So you can only blame my stupidity, not the actual " me"

If you only want to hear good thing, then be prepare to suffer when bad thing come, simple as that.

andreytan      ( Date: 16-Jul-2011 20:47) Posted: Republican blame Obama for big spending, and fail to bring down unemployment. So they will ask American what logic do further spending will do and can do to save the economy, when in the first place it did not. And republican want debt ceiling cap. If this is cap, America cannot spend big to rifle the current weak and fragile economy. And those rating agency already warn them, even if debt ceiling is passed with cap( if Obama compromise), they will still downgrade US. They not only downgrade US, the top 20 financial inst, include Citigrp, BOA, Morgan Stanley and the like will be downgrade as well....u go read them. These top 20 hold some few hundred trillion worth of derivative, enough to send the whole world to hell 10 times over, not to scare you. that means your sti will be what???you say...i thk a new super low. idont know how low, but definitely lower than the 2009. If Singapore 0.5% growth, which country can achieve better growth. Now ECRI forcast global growth to slow for the next few quater.Even if US is OK, europe will not survive, becoas no growth equal no money to pay, equal default. Right now they are already in trouble, if world growth slow, they can only get worse. And we got China, even after monetery tightening the inflation rate is still high. If tighten further they are going to cause a spike in unemployment. with high unemployment and high inflation, social unrest will escalate. Another ME in the making. so instead of pretending everthing is going to turn out right in the immediate future is reckless.(maybe 10 yrs from now it will be ok, not now)   protect your capital with stop loss, that is all we can do, make sure we protect ourselves, mho.

 

Republican blame Obama for big spending, and fail to bring down unemployment. So they will ask American what logic do further spending will do and can do to save the economy, when in the first place it did not.

And republican want debt ceiling cap. If this is cap, America cannot spend big to rifle the current weak and fragile economy.

And those rating agency already warn them, even if debt ceiling is passed with cap( if Obama compromise), they will still downgrade US.

They not only downgrade US, the top 20 financial inst, include Citigrp, BOA, Morgan Stanley and the like will be downgrade as well....u go read them.

These top 20 hold some few hundred trillion worth of derivative, enough to send the whole world to hell 10 times over, not to scare you.

that means your sti will be what???you say...i thk a new super low. idont know how low, but definitely lower than the 2009.

If Singapore 0.5% growth, which country can achieve better growth. Now ECRI forcast global growth to slow for the next few quater.Even if US is OK, europe will not survive, becoas no growth equal no

money to pay, equal default.

Right now they are already in trouble, if world growth slow, they can only get worse.

And we got China, even after monetery tightening the inflation rate is still high. If tighten further they are going to cause a spike in unemployment.

with high unemployment and high inflation, social unrest will escalate. Another ME in the making.

so instead of pretending everthing is going to turn out right in the immediate future is reckless.(maybe 10 yrs from now it will be ok, not now)

  protect your capital with stop loss, that is all we can do,

make sure we protect ourselves, mho.





 

 

After all the wayang, the vote  to raise debt ceiling will  get thru one la, they hv to, no choice.  Which  Republican dare to be blamed  for sending  US and the  whole world into another Lehman moment?  His name will be permanently in history, not  as a hero but a fool!!

 

 

No leh......it is quite micro from your prospective.  It is macro level effect that is of concerned lor......

 

 

The points which i agree upon are:


If debt ceiling is not raised, then

• USA will have to cut military spending
• USA government support for stock prices, real estate and low interest rate will wane. So stock and real estate prices will fall, interest rates will rise and so the weaker banks will declare bankruptcy, etc.
• Unemployment will rise.
• Dollar will strengthen.
• Oil, commodity, gold and silver prices will fall.

If debt ceiling is raised, then

• USA will not cut military spending
• USA government support for stock prices, real estate and low interest rate will remain. So stock and real estate prices will remain stable, interest rates will be near zero, bankrupt banks will continue to operate as though everything is normal, etc.
• Unemployment will be flat mostly.
• Dollar will weaken.
• Oil, commodity, gold and silver prices will rise.

Stock will drop big time, then we got chance to redo a March 2009 once again. We will be rich.

But either way we are really to profit from US debt crises. 

Get ready your bullets.