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If you got 10k for investment nw, how are u gg....

Frogs hunting season?

 

Cold frogs which are still chilled will not think to buy...

They will only think of covering back some of their huge losses by selling when it goes a bit higher...  

 

Just once, just one mistake..even Oei HL can lost a billion...now 1 2 sue Citi advisers and 1 2 claim to donate it to charity....just wondering isit for medis buzzz.....?.

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freeme      ( Date: 15-Apr-2009 18:44) Posted: Thank you all for sharing so much on this topic.. Actually I started with less than 10k, but building up slowly to slightly more than 10k. Previously do alot of contra playing, but money come fast and go fast too. Many ppl say 10k is very little to invest, true la, but in times like this 10k can become 20-30k or more when times are good if u pick up some very undervalue stocks. I believe even after the recent rally, they are still many undervalue stocks lying around, just that no one notice yet..

 

How much you spent on these Tutorials in total?

How long have you applied it?

What you've learned? Technical ???? Chart???? or Fundamental????

Kindly please share.

iPunter      ( Date: 16-Apr-2009 19:39) Posted: For any stock player, no matter whether for the 'fun' of losing money... or  to make money... or simply not to lose a lot of money... It is utterly important to play the game right. 'Veteran losers' will also certainly benefit from ... The teachings and timeless wisdom of  "THE GENIE TUTORIALS" (click)...

 

hi, can anyone help me? i would like to buy shares(singapore mkt) but not sure which platform or brokerage is good, can anybody advice or recommend me...esp now the stock market is performing so much better than my UTs...thkq so much.

 

Long term investors are really long-suffering stock players... 

Who ride through long periods of misery and joy in turn...

There's no nett benefit in their activities...  hehehe...

 

There is no such thing as die die must hold, so call long term investment. Long termers need to time the cycle as well to maximise on the profits.
Even WB switched some to bonds before market peaks and went back last nov. Actually, trading can be short or long term. In using TA, the period of the TA methods can be set.  For instance, if you are long term, set to higher value like 50-100 days etc., short termers use 7-14 day etc.

If you have no time to monitor, one way for long termers is to exit when everybody is talking about stocks and buy when nobody is interested. This is just a common joke but it is quite true. Typically, there is a cycle of about 5-7 years (Joseph cycle). That means the bullish climax might be in year 2007+14 = 2021+-.   If  5yr cycle, then 2017+- is the peak.  Just theory only but bull will definitely come.

All the best.

 

Thanks freeme for sharing your investment journey so far.......I'm not a veteran in investments too.......In fact, I just entered the stock market at middle of 2008. My sharing so far have been taken from numerous investing books I've read up, most of them are from Warren Buffett's principles of investing.

I didn't go into short-term trading not because I don't think it can work, but because my personality is not suitable for it. I'm not willing to commit to doing trades so often. So, I adopt a buy-and-hold strategy. But, every strategy has it's shortfall. Mainly the shortfall is usually brought about by emotions which I agree with you is not easy to manage. That is why I know I can't do trading as I'm not willing to manage my emotions so often during trades, so as to be a rational trader. Some traders are stable, managing their emotions well, so they make excellent traders and do earn good returns by trading.

Even as I embark on a buy-and-hold strategy, I must be vigilant to execute it skillfully to know when to buy and when to sell (to be rational in my decision making same as doing short-term trades). Bascially, I find this mentality helpful, "Take away greed and fear.......and the decision making process will be clear."

I read somewhere that investors are always fighting against time, to make the most profits in the shortest time possible. That is why so often, there is the tendency to subcumb to greed and fear. One has to be rational to recognise that the stock market is not a lottery machine. Look at Warren Buffett, the world richest man. He made his current wealth through a lifetime of investing. If anyone thinks he can acheive Buffett's wealth in much lesser time, think carefully whether the person is boasting or lying through his teeth........

freeme      ( Date: 16-Apr-2009 00:45) Posted: ya tks.  I used to invest like what livermore said, i also had a cfd account for shorting. manage to earn up to 80% of my capital in cfd, but very tiring as i need to monitor very closely. N when the mkt move opposite, and u make 2-3 wrong trade at one time, u become very emotion.. no easily to control ur feeling. say easy do very hard. many times i buy liao waited but didnt come, den selling liao cheong big big.. or buy liao drop, cut lose den cheong big big.. really not easy when u dun too much capital to play with. once lose hard to recover.. jeremyow      ( Date: 16-Apr-2009 00:22) Posted: Good one there........Ride the uptrend and downtrend in both directions to profit.......Just have to be careful to have a good trading system to recognise the trends and discipline to carry out the trades emotionlessly.........Whichever strategies (short-term trading or long-term buy-and-hold investor of businesses), be extremely skilled in it and rational in carrying it out......Many a times, it is not the strategies that kill, but the failure to use the strategies efficiently (resulting from emotions interferring with the carrying out of the chosen investment strategy)........Take away greed and fear......stick to a proven investment strategy that suits oneself........and one should do well in investments.......All the best in your investing journey, freeme.....

 

ya tks.

 I used to invest like what livermore said, i also had a cfd account for shorting. manage to earn up to 80% of my capital in cfd, but very tiring as i need to monitor very closely. N when the mkt move opposite, and u make 2-3 wrong trade at one time, u become very emotion.. no easily to control ur feeling. say easy do very hard.

many times i buy liao waited but didnt come, den selling liao cheong big big.. or buy liao drop, cut lose den cheong big big.. really not easy when u dun too much capital to play with. once lose hard to recover..

jeremyow      ( Date: 16-Apr-2009 00:22) Posted: Good one there........Ride the uptrend and downtrend in both directions to profit.......Just have to be careful to have a good trading system to recognise the trends and discipline to carry out the trades emotionlessly.........Whichever strategies (short-term trading or long-term buy-and-hold investor of businesses), be extremely skilled in it and rational in carrying it out......Many a times, it is not the strategies that kill, but the failure to use the strategies efficiently (resulting from emotions interferring with the carrying out of the chosen investment strategy)........Take away greed and fear......stick to a proven investment strategy that suits oneself........and one should do well in investments.......All the best in your investing journey, freeme...... Livermore      ( Date: 15-Apr-2009 19:11) Posted: This is one way you can do it with 10K. Open 2 accounts - one for long and one for short. During uptrend, keep your money in long account. When downtrend resumes, transfer your money from long account to short account. When uptrend resumes, transfer your money back to long account. When you open a margin account, you don't need to borrow if you don't want to. Treat it as just a long account. For CFD for short, again you don't need to borrow if you don't wish to. Just play within your own capital. This way you profit both ways

 

Good one there........Ride the uptrend and downtrend in both directions to profit.......Just have to be careful to have a good trading system to recognise the trends and discipline to carry out the trades emotionlessly.........Whichever strategies (short-term trading or long-term buy-and-hold investor of businesses), be extremely skilled in it and rational in carrying it out......Many a times, it is not the strategies that kill, but the failure to use the strategies efficiently (resulting from emotions interferring with the carrying out of the chosen investment strategy)........Take away greed and fear......stick to a proven investment strategy that suits oneself........and one should do well in investments.......All the best in your investing journey, freeme......

Livermore      ( Date: 15-Apr-2009 19:11) Posted: This is one way you can do it with 10K. Open 2 accounts - one for long and one for short. During uptrend, keep your money in long account. When downtrend resumes, transfer your money from long account to short account. When uptrend resumes, transfer your money back to long account. When you open a margin account, you don't need to borrow if you don't want to. Treat it as just a long account. For CFD for short, again you don't need to borrow if you don't wish to. Just play within your own capital. This way you profit both ways    freeme      ( Date: 15-Apr-2009 18:44) Posted: Thank you all for sharing so much on this topic.. Actually I started with less than 10k, but building up slowly to slightly more than 10k. Previously do alot of contra playing, but money come fast and go fast too. Many ppl say 10k is very little to invest, true la, but in times like this 10k can become 20-30k or more when times are good if u pick up some very undervalue stocks. I believe even after the recent rally, they are still many undervalue stocks lying around, just that no one notice yet..

 

This is one way you can do it with 10K. Open 2 accounts - one for long and one for short. During uptrend, keep your money in long account. When downtrend resumes, transfer your money from long account to short account. When uptrend resumes, transfer your money back to long account.

When you open a margin account, you don't need to borrow if you don't want to. Treat it as just a long account. For CFD for short, again you don't need to borrow if you don't wish to. Just play within your own capital. This way you profit both ways 

 

freeme      ( Date: 15-Apr-2009 18:44) Posted: Thank you all for sharing so much on this topic.. Actually I started with less than 10k, but building up slowly to slightly more than 10k. Previously do alot of contra playing, but money come fast and go fast too. Many ppl say 10k is very little to invest, true la, but in times like this 10k can become 20-30k or more when times are good if u pick up some very undervalue stocks. I believe even after the recent rally, they are still many undervalue stocks lying around, just that no one notice yet..

 

Thank you all for sharing so much on this topic.. Actually I started with less than 10k, but building up slowly to slightly more than 10k. Previously do alot of contra playing, but money come fast and go fast too. Many ppl say 10k is very little to invest, true la, but in times like this 10k can become 20-30k or more when times are good if u pick up some very undervalue stocks. I believe even after the recent rally, they are still many undervalue stocks lying around, just that no one notice yet..

 

So nw we know...so we must put the knowledge to action...dont put it inside your drawer..or do nothing..

worse part is do ni=otrhing and no action taken..so what so good abt the method???they dont benefit you at all.

Now , this rally u got chance to practise...if u are new just paper trade first.....if u are young dont worry, time is on your side...dont be afraid to miss opportunity..patient...there are always opportunity to make $..

Good luck.

 

I like your post. This is a good sharing,

One must know his own Characteristic, Risk Tolerance level, Time Frame before investing.

jeremyow      ( Date: 15-Apr-2009 16:12) Posted: Different people do things differently. Traders cut loss when price moves in wrong direction from intial prediction. This ensures sustained profitability in their trades. They just need to have a few big wins and it will cover up the many small losses and still see substantial gain. A buy-and-hold investor can do averaging down on an invested company if the intitial fundamentals of the company has not changed and there is no other better companies to deploy his capital towards to justify that he should sell at a loss in his current invested company. Since the natural incline of a buy-and-hold investor is long term, he should be good at evaluating businesses to select only the best businesses to invest in. Thereafter, such an investor should see investing as partaking in the long term economics of the invested company.  As long as the company remains profitable over a long term and the investor has bought the company shares at an undervalued price, time will reward him as the value of his shares increases according to the economics of the business. For such an investor, patience is paramount. This means only investing in excellent businesses and only at undervalued prices (which do come by but once in a blue moon). Such an investor will invest heavily only at rare excellent opportunities. The rest of the time is spent waiting for such rare opportunities (while continuing to evaluate the many businesses around as well as monitor his holdings). A myth regarding buy-and-hold investors is that they never sell shares. Such investor does sell shares, but will only do so on good grounds (e.g. fundamentals of invested company has deteriorated permanently or the share price is ridiculously overvalued above the worthy share price based on the potential total cashflow the business can generate for it's entire lifespan).  There is no single way to invest. Some investors may even adopt both strategies (short-term trading and long term investors of businesses). One has to be skilled at the strategy/ies one believe(s) in. Having no investing philosophy is akin to going to battle without preparations. At the least, the troops may just suffer minor losses and escape from the enemies (e.g. small losses in stock market). At the worst, the troops may suffer great losses beyond any hope for recovery (e.g. total loss of one's investing capital).  wongmx6      ( Date: 14-Apr-2009 16:02) Posted: Buy at the bottom is really hard. Average down is a method that i like to use if i'm confident with the company. Example:  F&N in my portfolio. Just for sharing, I'm still in the red. No. Date Company Price Qty Total Cost 1 Sep-08 F&N 4.300 2 8631 2 Oct-08 F&N 3.400 2 6830 3 Feb-09 F&N 2.430 4 9750 4 Mar-09 F&N 1.870 4 7510

 

Different people do things differently. Traders cut loss when price moves in wrong direction from intial prediction. This ensures sustained profitability in their trades. They just need to have a few big wins and it will cover up the many small losses and still see substantial gain.

A buy-and-hold investor can do averaging down on an invested company if the intitial fundamentals of the company has not changed and there is no other better companies to deploy his capital towards to justify that he should sell at a loss in his current invested company.

Since the natural incline of a buy-and-hold investor is long term, he should be good at evaluating businesses to select only the best businesses to invest in. Thereafter, such an investor should see investing as partaking in the long term economics of the invested company.  As long as the company remains profitable over a long term and the investor has bought the company shares at an undervalued price, time will reward him as the value of his shares increases according to the economics of the business. For such an investor, patience is paramount. This means only investing in excellent businesses and only at undervalued prices (which do come by but once in a blue moon). Such an investor will invest heavily only at rare excellent opportunities. The rest of the time is spent waiting for such rare opportunities (while continuing to evaluate the many businesses around as well as monitor his holdings).

A myth regarding buy-and-hold investors is that they never sell shares. Such investor does sell shares, but will only do so on good grounds (e.g. fundamentals of invested company has deteriorated permanently or the share price is ridiculously overvalued above the worthy share price based on the potential total cashflow the business can generate for it's entire lifespan). 

There is no single way to invest. Some investors may even adopt both strategies (short-term trading and long term investors of businesses). One has to be skilled at the strategy/ies one believe(s) in. Having no investing philosophy is akin to going to battle without preparations. At the least, the troops may just suffer minor losses and escape from the enemies (e.g. small losses in stock market). At the worst, the troops may suffer great losses beyond any hope for recovery (e.g. total loss of one's investing capital). 

wongmx6      ( Date: 14-Apr-2009 16:02) Posted: Buy at the bottom is really hard. Average down is a method that i like to use if i'm confident with the company. Example:  F&N in my portfolio. Just for sharing, I'm still in the red. No. Date Company Price Qty Total Cost 1 Sep-08 F&N 4.300 2 8631 2 Oct-08 F&N 3.400 2 6830 3 Feb-09 F&N 2.430 4 9750 4 Mar-09 F&N 1.870 4 7510

 

My Picks:

Buy when STI corrects.

1 SPC

1 F&N

1 NOL


10 FJ Benjamin

10 Popular

Should make $10k include transx. Buy already, just do your home work weekly make sure no potentially dilutive issues coming out. I think should be able to sleep well till 5 years at least.

 

Buy at the bottom is really hard. Average down is a method that i like to use if i'm confident with the company.

Example:  F&N in my portfolio. Just for sharing, I'm still in the red.

No.	Date	Company	Price	Qty	Total Cost
1	Sep-08	F&N	4.300	2	8631
2	Oct-08	F&N	3.400	2	6830
3	Feb-09	F&N	2.430	4	9750
4	Mar-09	F&N	1.870	4	7510

 

I dont think anyone can catch the bottom ..

I am buying high and selling higher. But recently market was so depressed and started rebounding so I caught the reversal.(using Trendline)..very good profit now.

Money management is important..dont overweight your capital on anyone stock. dont over-leverage or over-trade.

Normally I will have peak/trough price as my basis to enter/sell (long/short) and never chase more than 6% (sometimes i dont even chase beyond 3%).  And when i make a bad trades, I will cut loss on 4% -8% (CFD/margin or cash). Of course there are some other factors needed to be considered.

When I have profit of more than 20%, i will always protect 70-80% of this 20%..never give back everything to the market.

We will never beat the BB but we can track the hot money (by using TA) and follow them to ride the trend. That is why most of time I will not be the herds who are jumping in when the BB are getting out. Simply said..dont go against the tide.

Get a good system and set your rules and lot of due diligence.

 

What i post is not my own invention...it is what i read fr somewhere...honestly...

But i do not doubt some of you guy here may really got a way to do it...i.e. buy at near bottom and sell near the top..

We forumer here will be very grateful, if you will to be generous as to share your method with us here..i am sure all would like to know...really i am mean no offence...

We can never know..

Like Livermore who share with us on using margin...he is very generous...thanks to him.

Thank you in advance...

 

 

this is human nature.... if everyone waiting at bottom this market will be no movement at all...