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Caning. Do we need it here in our school

I got a friend who is teaching in a mixed secondary school in Tebrau in JB. This is what he related last week :

He saw a group of 20s to 30s men aruging outside his school cpd, some were also surveying the school from outside the school fence. He called for police. When the police came the group disperse to nearby area where the 2 groups were "Tham Pan". Suddenly the local group took out their hidden parangs and starting chopping at the opposite group (said to be from Kulai). The chief negotiator's both armwere cut off prsuming that he is using his arm to block the parangs and he was slashed over over the body. He was rushed to JB general Hospital (I think it is called Sultanah Aminah Hospital) which refused to accept the dying man by giving the reason that there is no surgeon around. He was then rushed to a private hospital, also was rejected. By the time he reached a third hospital, he was pronounced dead due to lost of blood.

The local gangster has being collecting protection money from students. Those who can fight will be recruited, those cannot fight, pay protection money of at least RM20 per month.

The point is how can Hospital rejects injured person, the 1st hospital head should be reprimanded or removed, while the private hospital should also be fined or shamed in the public media. Where is the code of ethics among medical personnels ?  

 

Sorry....typo...

You cannot put a price tag on life lor......in Singapore seeking medical help can also be cheap......Polyclinic checkup $4.....KK eye centre $97......Daughter got 300 'degree' but will be 'OK or reduced' as she age....priceless.

Ya...one thing, most of the cases in KK are girls.....boy usually do not have this problem.  Takenote....according to the MFT (Medical Fortune Teller) or DR in KK.....heeeeeeee

 

Andrew      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 14:04) Posted: You cannot put a price tag on life lor......in Singapore cannot be cheap on medical......Polyclinic checkup $4.....KK eye centre $97......Daughter got 300 'degree' but will be 'OK or reduced' as she age....priceless. Ya...one think, most of the cases in KK are girls.....boy usually do not have this problem.  Takenote....according to the MFT (Medical Fortune Teller) or DR in KK.....heeeeeeee   teeth53      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:57) Posted: Every child life here in S'pore is extremely not cheap to grow up...unlike other very poor countries who can sort of afford to...in other word, for some, life is very cheap, they can even do it for free, FOC

 

You cannot put a price tag on life lor......in Singapore cannot be cheap on medical......Polyclinic checkup $4.....KK eye centre $97......Daughter got 300 'degree' but will be 'OK or reduced' as she age....priceless.

Ya...one think, most of the cases in KK are girls.....boy usually do not have this problem.  Takenote....according to the MFT (Medical Fortune Teller) or DR in KK.....heeeeeeee

 

teeth53      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:57) Posted: Every child life here in S'pore is extremely not cheap to grow up...unlike other very poor countries who can sort of afford to...in other word, for some, life is very cheap, they can even do it for free, FOC. Andrew      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:49) Posted: Then it will probably become the fault of the doctor.  So before caning, we should MRI, CT, Liver AST ALT, Full Blood, urine test ???  Is this practical ??  In malaysia, pple are generally not sensitive to their (body) system until too late. When my daughter don't like to watch TV but like to see the scenary looking out of the window and as she is rather active and vocal.  I send her to a eye test.....results....6/9....polyclinic say MUST go KK eye centre. Because normally 4 years old SHOULD have 6/6 vision, anything less means some wrong. KK eyecentre result, Long Sighted Vision with 300 'degree'....my god so bad....probably when she watch TV, it is so blur that she don't to watch.  I am not kaisu, I am very concerned !!!   I think it is not just a simple case of teacher and student......

 

Yes...Will likely make him or her more rebellious w/o knowing why?. he is just only 9 years old. A very confuse child living in adult world. 

For some, a child can be born lazy or less incline to learn and so on...

iPunter      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 13:19) Posted: Caning in school is not different from a parent slapping the child at home for the same 'offense'. Before caning a child, one must know the reason behind the wrong-doing... Is the child simply lazy? or Does he/she lack loving supervision at home (and also in school)? or Is he/she naturally rebellious sort? In my opinion, caning the child for any or all of the above reasons will only make the child worse!...

 

Caning in school is not different from a parent slapping the child at home for the same 'offense'.
Before caning a child, one must know the reason behind the wrong-doing...

Is the child simply lazy? or
Does he/she lack loving supervision at home (and also in school)? or
Is he/she naturally rebellious sort?

In my opinion, caning the child for any or all of the above reasons will only make the child worse!...  

 

In some way, parent need to understand and been educated by school advisery board and school /child specialist concillor if and when canning is required to be carry out and when serious consequence happening, citing in the case death happen as in this boy canning has shown, one of this / such scenario.

Spare the rod & you'll spoil the child!!!!!

teeth53 thot so: Who's to response when thing goes very wrong, Doctor, school board, headmaster, child specialist concillor, teachers, MOE or parent..?.

 

Every child life here in S'pore is extremely not cheap to grow up...unlike other very poor countries who can sort of afford to...in other word, for some, life is very cheap, they can even do it for free, FOC.

Andrew      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:49) Posted: Then it will probably become the fault of the doctor.  So before caning, we should MRI, CT, Liver AST ALT, Full Blood, urine test ???  Is this practical ??  In malaysia, pple are generally not sensitive to their (body) system until too late. When my daughter don't like to watch TV but like to see the scenary looking out of the window and as she is rather active and vocal.  I send her to a eye test.....results....6/9....polyclinic say MUST go KK eye centre. Because normally 4 years old SHOULD have 6/6 vision, anything less means some wrong. KK eyecentre result, Long Sighted Vision with 300 'degree'....my god so bad....probably when she watch TV, it is so blur that she don't to watch.  I am not kaisu, I am very concerned !!!   I think it is not just a simple case of teacher and student......   teeth53      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:21) Posted: Can Dr exam 1st and certified.!!!....if canning is to be carry out, esp in public, when not finishing homework..is canning the only choice..?. as shown it is a standard procedure in M'sia school, ill or not ill...regardless of a very confuse 9 years old boy at such tender age. one young life gone...Does it show it fault in old way of handlering  standard coprorate punishment by applying to a very young confused school boy/girl who don't ever know how important schooling is...

 

Then it will probably become the fault of the doctor.  So before caning, we should MRI, CT, Liver AST ALT, Full Blood, urine test ???  Is this practical ?? 

In malaysia, pple are generally not sensitive to their (body) system until too late.

When my daughter don't like to watch TV but like to see the scenary looking out of the window and as she is rather active and vocal.  I send her to a eye test.....results....6/9....polyclinic say MUST go KK eye centre.

Because normally 4 years old SHOULD have 6/6 vision, anything less means some wrong.

KK eyecentre result, Long Sighted Vision with 300 'degree'....my god so bad....probably when she watch TV, it is so blur that she don't to watch.  I am not kaisu, I am very concerned !!!

 

I think it is not just a simple case of teacher and student......

 

teeth53      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:21) Posted: Can Dr exam 1st and certified.!!!....if canning is to be carry out, esp in public, when not finishing homework..is canning the only choice..?. as shown it is a standard procedure in M'sia school, ill or not ill...regardless of a very confuse 9 years old boy at such tender age. one young life gone...Does it show it fault in old way of handlering  standard coprorate punishment by applying to a very young confused school boy/girl who don't ever know how important schooling is...

 

This incident will goes into the book history with Ministry of education (M'sia), who has to review such proceduce to be in line with today education. MOE will thus also have to come out with appropriate answer for a 9 years old boy death from canning....for not complete and not passing up his homework....Who is to cause my boy death...canning for not passing or completed homework..?

teeth53      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 12:35) Posted: It is only parent choice, who is belong to his/her child and not teacher and headmaster choice unless one is talking about gang fighting in public and or bullying other and or stealing.....whether is one miilon or one...Who is to cause my boy death...canning for not passing or completed homework..?. Is this the most appropriate way to punish a 9 year old boy...?.

 

It is only parent choice, who is belong to his/her child and not teacher and headmaster choice unless one is talking about gang fighting in public and or bullying other and or stealing.....whether is one miilon or one...Who is to cause my boy death...canning for not passing or completed homework..?. Is this the most appropriate way to punish a 9 year old boy...?.

 

Can Dr exam 1st and certified.!!!....if canning is to be carry out, esp in public, when not finishing homework..is canning the only choice..?. as shown it is a standard procedure in M'sia school, ill or not ill...regardless of a very confuse 9 years old boy at such tender age. one young life gone...Does it show it fault in old way of handlering  standard coprorate punishment by applying to a very young confused school boy/girl who don't ever know how important schooling is...

 

First thing first, that malaysian boy MUST have been ill somehow because caning the palm WILL NOT KILL laaaa.

Next is some anti gahmen slogan.....Spore Ministers salary high high but yet cannot give good salary to our teachers....causing my kid form teacher to teach 3 core subjects because of shortage of teacher.  Thanks PAP for everything......

Next....totally agree with dcang84,  corpal punishment MUST be instil in schools.  Recently, there a Public Caning Session during my kid Assembly.

Principal lead two students to the stage....talk about their offence....Fighting.  Students taken away to a private room where punishment is percribed.  You don't get to see the free show in the 21st century.

 

 

dcang84      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 11:46) Posted: Spare the rod & you'll spoil the child!!!!! We should keep things in perspective. Are we talking about 1 in a million cases or wat? The behaviour of most teens and kids today says it all.

 

Spare the rod & you'll spoil the child!!!!!

We should keep things in perspective. Are we talking about 1 in a million cases or wat? The behaviour of most teens and kids today says it all.

 

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090402-132656.html

GEMAS, MALAYSIA - Mystery surrounds the death of a nine-year-old pupil of SJK (C) Kampung Baru Tiong near here who died several hours after being caned on the back of his hands by a teacher. Chan Qi Xian had complained of a severe headache after he was caned around noon on Tuesday for not doing his homework.

Abdullah said that based on the headmaster's report, Qi Xian did not suffer from any illnesses. "But we do not know if he had a medical condition," he said.

teeth53 thot so: School head & teacher need to answer for the young boy dead incident from caning

teeth53      ( Date: 04-Apr-2009 11:08) Posted: http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090403-132898.html Qi Xian died some 15 hours after being caned on the palms by a teacher of a school in Gemas about 12.30pm for failing to complete his homework. After the caning, the boy complained of dizziness and collapsed. teeth53 thot so: Only just in his primary three tender age. that teacher will live forever to regret for life who caned him, not be fitting a teacher title...solution is proper guidance & report to parent Johor state health director Dr Mohd Khairi Yaacob said yesterday the Year Three pupil was rushed to the hospital from Segamat Hospital when doctors realised that he needed specialist treatment. A private hospital neurologist believes the boy could be a victim of asymptomatic arteriovenous malformation in the brain and that it could have been a congenital condition, or it might have occurred due to traumatic injury to the brain. An arteriovenous malformation is a tangled cluster of vessels, typically located in the supratentorial part of the brain, in which arteries connect directly to veins without any intervening capillary bed.

 

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090403-132898.html

Qi Xian died some 15 hours after being caned on the palms by a teacher of a school in Gemas about 12.30pm for failing to complete his homework. After the caning, the boy complained of dizziness and collapsed.

teeth53 thot so: Only just in his primary three tender age. that teacher will live forever to regret for life who caned him, not be fitting a teacher title...solution is proper guidance & report to parent

Johor state health director Dr Mohd Khairi Yaacob said yesterday the Year Three pupil was rushed to the hospital from Segamat Hospital when doctors realised that he needed specialist treatment.

A private hospital neurologist believes the boy could be a victim of asymptomatic arteriovenous malformation in the brain and that it could have been a congenital condition, or it might have occurred due to traumatic injury to the brain.

An arteriovenous malformation is a tangled cluster of vessels, typically located in the supratentorial part of the brain, in which arteries connect directly to veins without any intervening capillary bed.