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ERP rates revision

and it seems that 'Maslow's hierarchy of needs' doesn't work in the Singapore society.  Have to create another version...hehehe

 

Agree.  Then, there a lot of mental cases in Singapore now.

 

mike,

I am a firm beliver of 'Maslow's hierarchy of needs'. I termed 'Having a Car' as Esteem Needs.

What you have just described is a situation whereby the other needs below Esteem Needs are 'satisfied' (each of us define satisfied differently - a 2.00 chai png is a satified lunch for me whereas someone may think a 5.00 chai png is satifactory) thus he/she is able to progress to other needs - 'must have a car needs'.  In the event if ones basic life needs is a car, then the person is definately mental.  :)

 

driving on the pedestrains path (that is if you can get onto it in the first place) will be charged under TWO acts.  Dun prey prey, the fine is definately more then your gantry charges.

Reckless or dangerous driving
(1) If any person drives a motor vehicle on a road recklessly, or at a speed or in a manner which is dangerous to the public, having regard to all the circumstances of the case, including the nature, condition and use of the road, and the amount of traffic which is actually at the time, or which might reasonably be expected to be, on the road, he shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both. [11/96]

 

(2) On a second or subsequent conviction under this section, the convicting court shall exercise the power conferred by section 42 of ordering that the offender shall be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driving licence unless the court, having regard to the lapse of time since the date of the previous or last previous conviction or for any other special reason, thinks fit to order otherwise.

 

(3) Subsection (2) shall not be construed as affecting the right of the court to exercise the power under section 42 on a first conviction.

 

(4) Where a person is convicted of abetting the commission of an offence under this section and it is proved that he was present in the motor vehicle at the time of the commission of the offence, the offence of which he is convicted shall, for the purpose of the provisions of Part II relating to disqualification from holding or obtaining driving licences, be deemed to be an offence in connection with the driving of a motor vehicle.

 

(5) Any police officer may arrest without warrant any person committing an offence under this section. 

 

Driving without due care or reasonable consideration
If any person drives a motor vehicle on a road ?

 (a) without due care and attention; or

 (b) without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road,

 

he shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.

 

true and not true.....I have known friends who die die must have their car even though running costs (petrol, car park charges & ERP charges) went up and going up.  They will cut down on other expenses.....but die die must have the car.

Car is a status symbol in Singapore, thing that can be seen by friends and relatives.   

 

 

mike, those that replied 'aiyah what to do, pay lor' are those that can actually afford it.  If one cannot afford it, survival mode will kick it and he/she will think of alternatives rather then saying aiyah... pay lor..'  Dont you agree with me?

 

yes..this is just coffee shop talk...but it is up to individual (you and me) to take the necessary actions/options to save money.  I really don't see Singapore residents using boycott as a mean of showing that we are not happy.

Typically, we will just say "aiyah, what to do...pay lor" or "aiyah, $1 more only what, not an issue"

 

 

One more way:

Drive your vehicle onto the pedestrians path, away from the gantry, and then drive back onto the main road once cleared. Hehehehe

 

elfinchilde,

Never try before lah. I happened to how in detail how the gantry works. There is only 2 ways to beat the gantry without being caught:
1. Steal a IU from a police car or ambulance. Theirs is a special one. But can use at most one or 2 days only. Because their IU comes with ID numbers. Once reported stolen, any gantry that detect this ID number will take a photo of your licence plate.
2. Carry your vehicle across the sensors embedded on the road to avoid triggering the cameras. The sensors are those lines you see on the road just underneath the gantry. But you need to own a really small car and 4 muscular men to carry it across.

: ))

 

This just means that i've got to make my investments work harder to pay off all the high ERP charges and rising fuel costs. I must admit however that the govt plans did make me reduce the travelling by car.

 

I am not sure why there were so many COE these past 2 years. More COEs mean more and more cars and even with ERP it won't solve the problem. You won't buy a car to put in your home.  You would rather pay the ERP.

 

hahaha !

ya gho485 .. every singaporean worth his salt knows how things work here ..the rest are just coffee shop talk .. its not going to make a difference however we shout in here .. they would all have brain stormed all the possible counter arguements and are well prepared to rebut them .. things have already been set .. and by june all would have been forgotten and life will go on as planned .. it seems that the super instrument to control the mass is money .. hahaha !

just coffee shop talk yeah ..hahaha !

 

 

 

I agree with Livermore. REDUCE car population. That's the only real solution.

The other solutions don't seem to be working well. The main problem is that it is too complex.


The frequency of change of ERP rates and timing is so high and complex that now I can't even remember what are the charges unless I check the LTA website.


 

 

A doctored card ?

 

lazyhorse, you tried?!! LOL.

:P

uv is just one eg. i really can't say more. but some things can work. they are systems, after all. any system can be beaten. i disclaim all liability for this. hehe.

 

This is so funny...after all is said and done, do you think our view we will make a different. Owning a car in Singapore is very expensive. Worst of all, when you purchase a car, you can only use it for 10 years. After 10 years, if we want to continue keeping the car, we have to buy pay for another round of COE? This is good money wor?

In my point of view, if you want to control traffic, cut down on car cert.....Try doing without car cert for a year or two...car population will sure decline slowly....But than again, if car cert is cut down, how we become one of the richest country in the world.

Putting up gantries to monitor if it is necessary to turn on....do you think after spending billions to build gantries, there will be a wait and see attitude.....

We are vulnerable. Get use to it?we have not control. When you can?t beat them, join them?

 

 

So far I am lucky and no ERP for me. Maybe I won't be so lucky next time on BKE on way home.....

 

 

But like someone said, you won't want the spin-offs of a healthy car population to dry up too... 

 

I go back to basic - reduce car population. Cars just have to be more expensive if you wish to buy.