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16-Dec-2009 16:12
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Sorry to hear on your genuine mistake. Just take this as a once in life time lesson. then see that you are not the only one, read the SGX today's buy in report, you can see many others doing similar mistake. see some of them also one lot naked short , for example Federal, multichem, tritech Buying-in Executed on December 15, 2009
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alvinccfei
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16-Dec-2009 15:51
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I do admit this is a stupid mistake done on my side. Probably I can post my experience after I find out the outcome.....costly lesson though.... |
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des_khor
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16-Dec-2009 15:36
Yells: "Tell me who is the God or MFT from this forum??" |
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Anyone kenal fine before ?? | ||||
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Laulan
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16-Dec-2009 15:33
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A good computer/software wizard can do it for you, no problem.
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des_khor
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16-Dec-2009 15:22
Yells: "Tell me who is the God or MFT from this forum??" |
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Is there any talking software like when you key in buy or sell ? | ||||
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ekekeg
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16-Dec-2009 15:17
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Who in this world wants to admit his own mistake? Of course no one, but the truth remains.
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ekekeg
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16-Dec-2009 15:12
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Shorting is bad for health (market health) and SGX was probably ill advised when it allows shorting even to the extent of borrowing shares to short. If massive short selling is done to the market, our economic health will be affected by the depreciation of true values of shares. Granted that it makes a lively market, but it is an adverse action because in the end true value of our corporations are shattered. Some forumers used the analogy of a group of hungry people, cutting their own body meat to eat. Well they certainly will enjoy the satisfaction of quenching their hunger, but with the passing of days these people would have only their bones left. Our economic well being will be liken to these skeletal bodies left. Just like trying to deliberate depreciate the value of your currency day by day, and you will find your economy ruined. It is the same. |
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16-Dec-2009 14:37
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There is a case for SGX to ban shorts-elling. It can be very destructive and only those with information early will benifit at the expence of the other investors. Perhaps they can tweak it so as not to punish innocent genuine mistakes like shorting one lot less than 1k worth. Having said that they must take further measures to prevent manipulators shorting by using many accounts, which can add up to a substantial sum. They should also ban CFD's if they are serious about banning short-selling.
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des_khor
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16-Dec-2009 14:17
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Is the time for SGX to review this stupid rules! maybe can impose up to certain limit or value. Who will want to short 1 lot just value less than a thousand right ? |
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alvinccfei
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16-Dec-2009 13:48
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Hi gurus, I'm still relatively new in the trading of stocks and I've never dabbled in short selling and never intended to. But I made a very costly oversight a couple of days ago. So here's my story, I had a single lot of Biosensor sitting around so I wanted to sell it off, i put it on the sell queue on Monday and by 4.55pm it was still unfilled. Next morning, I checked my trading history and did not see any filled entries which led me to assume that I did not sold the lot off. So i queued again and was filled in the afternoon. Received a call this morning from vickers and they informed me that I shorted 1 lot yesterday and when I went back to check the history I found out that I had made a very careless mistake. The personnel informed me that if on this Friday, SGX is able to buy-in, then I do not need to pay the $1k penalty but they are only able to buy-in next Monday, then the penalty will be imposed and subsequently Due Date+3 onwards will be $5k every day. I've written in a letter to appeal against the penalty as this was a plain honest mistake. Hope that gurus here with experience can answer a few of my questions. 1) How probable is SGX not being able to buy-in. I mean for active stocks, there shouldn't be any problems right? 2) I read the T&C and found nowhere stating that I won't be charged the penalty if SGX are able to buy-in this friday (due date). Is this true (I've asked the personnell twice but am still scared if she mixed up the date)? 3) If I buy back a lot today, will it make any differece, e.g. in the event that SGX is not able to buy-in on friday, I have 1 lot to reimburse them next monday and thus won't drag the buy-in date further. Forgive me for my wall of text....Am in a shitty mood now...busy week caused this costly mistake. Thanks a lot... |
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ravikp
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23-Oct-2009 20:40
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Good post...Thanks veteran
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keepnosecrets
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23-Oct-2009 20:24
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I really worry for newbies learning to short. The rules of the Stock Exchange do not allow naked (uncovered) shorting of shares. It allows shorting that is covered (backed up by deliverable shares) otherwise the shortist will have to pay a penalty on due date of delivery which is 2 and a half day. After two and a half day, if one cannot deliver (meaning one has no credit balance in his CDP account) a buy-back will be instituted and a penalty of $1.5K plus other misc fees imposed. To "beat" the system, a trader can do two things which will not create a penalty or a buy-back. The first is to short (sell) a share and thenbuy back (win or lose) on the same day before the market closes. Secondly, the trader can open a SBA (share borrowing account) or also known as SBL (Share borrowing and Lending) account. The term will differ with brokerages. Just have to ask them how to open the share borrowing account. After you have the SBA/SBL acct, you must know what shares you want to borrow to short. Borrow the shares first will be safer because some shares are not loanable. Remember without a SBL or SBA, you cannot short sell, because you still do not have shares to your credit in the CDP. After the shorting, you can buy back anytime you like, one day, ten days or one year or even 10 years later. You decide but you pay interests. So the above two ways to short are the only ways to short sell shares. The third method to sell short, is to use an instrument known as CFD. CFD is just like a share where you buy or sell but you don't need to have shares credited to your acct. CFDs are just contracts and are somewhat like options. When you sell a CFD, you actually short the named share linked to the CFD. Buying CFDs is just the opposite. Hope this information will give you a good knowledge of shorting. You can get additional help with your brokers. Cheers.
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iPunter
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23-Oct-2009 20:23
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Same day shorting should not pose any problem as it is easy for the broker to square off the transactions since you can deliver. But not if you don't cover on the same day, whereupon, if SGX has to buy-in, you will have to pay penalty as well as $1,000 for inability to deliver on time. Better to speak to your broker personally for correct info. In any case, unless you are a 'gu shen' or a stock market medium, why do intra-day shorting at all?...
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ravikp
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23-Oct-2009 19:46
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Is it offense do shorting wothout CFD? if i buy back the share on the same day ok right... |
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aabbcc
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23-Oct-2009 18:09
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Can you short using online trading? e.g uob kay hian | ||||
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iPunter
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23-Oct-2009 17:21
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The most important thing is to short when there's ecstactical euphoria all a round you...
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eurekaw
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23-Oct-2009 17:07
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You mean the chances of losing $$$ is higher when shorting? | ||||
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keepnosecrets
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23-Oct-2009 16:44
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There are several ways to short a counter, and hte requirement is you must have money to lose. Hehehe. 1. Naked short and then buy back on the same day you shorted. 2. Short a share by selling CFD of a share 3. Borrow from share borrowing account and sell the shares you borrowed. I don't know if there is any other methods not mentioned above. Happy shorting. |
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eurekaw
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23-Oct-2009 16:24
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Hi expert out there, anyone can help advise how to short and what are the requirement? | ||||
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