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iPunter Supreme	13-Jan-2013 09:54        iPunter About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	@cheongsl  " ...  Trend or dircetion is a tendency of reaching a certain point.                                                   Why try to mislead  people into defining tendency as 100% will? It is just the likelyhood. Can be 50%, 65%, etc..." This is a serious allegation. Who is misleading?  Didn't I always say that it is 50/50, it is betting, etc?     If you do not understand what I mean, you can always ask to clarify before accusing as misleading.
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junction Senior	13-Jan-2013 09:22        junction About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, good question. gavinl      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:11) Posted: Good question! I thought the opposite will happen since property to expensive to buy,people might turn to rental. No experinece in reits and property,so will appreaciate some guilding. ballball      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:06) Posted: Why / how reits are affected?
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cheongsl Master	13-Jan-2013 09:13        cheongsl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	But not every reits facing the same issue, what I believe the retailer rental Reits will be seriously affected when the trend comes more clear. cheongsl      ( Date: 13-Jan-2013 09:03) Posted: True, cooling measure will not take effect. If there is a demand, the rich would not think much with this few % of stamp duty, the property company will still continue to prosperous, government is just trying to gain more from the property booming. As for Reits, I think current rental rate is too high, the shop items are actually selling too high also, that is why even through the internet seller are selling at 1.5~3 times the price of China, the goods still able to sell (taking into risk of bad quality and damage and also postage fees etc.), as shop are selling even higher, which I compare which is usually 3~10times. Sometime I only sit outside the shop to observe, the business don't seems to be good. and also do some calculation. The shop get its money from shoppers, the shoppers from work, the salary did not see any drastic increase, but the goods price is increasing, even though Singapore dollar appreciate to other currency, but the price is actually inflated by the rental charge. I have also check other website like internet delivery etc. As the shipping price are declining, actually you can get 1kg goods at 18RMB, just take a look of taobao the delivery, there are long list, that is why you can get the 7" tablet at Q0010 at around S$80++, tablet in Taobao cheap one you can get around 200~300RMB, one parcel of 1kg you can have around 4 so total price + freight is only (consider 1 as 250rmb), so 250*4+18 = 1018rmb, convert to S$ is around S$200, any internet purchase parcel send to Singapore below S$400 (CIF)  is free of duty, thus the actual price for the tablet is around S$50, but selling at S$80, thus is a 60% gain, but also observe the Q0010 the sales payment % also increase (is equivalent to rental rate increase, thus in future individual might make the hassle to prearrange the shipment etc), simlim etc are selling at S$160+ thus the gain is even more, but I believe most of it when to the rental. If no more correction of the singapore good pricing. This will off cause result in frieght rate increase, thus this turn me to check the BDI, and it proved that the BDI show a reversal, and checking on shipping industries, etc. Finally come to the ship building industries. This show interesting result, thus I have been vest in Yangzijiang since November last year, and shall continue to hold until things changes. I think rental price if further increase will really pull down Reits, as shop will start to close down, as business will fade off due to too high pricing, current payout of 90% can only have a yield of 6~7% that is too little. That is why I am totally out of Reits last year september, which have been favour for me for the past few years. The rental can continue to climb for the past years is due to strong Singapore dollar, sharp decline in shipping cost from 2008 till date  from 11,680 to current 760. So actually the retail shop earning from this is go into the Reits, and you still see the price of goods increase. Shopping trend take time to change, and I see changes in place. iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:41) Posted: Cooling or no cooling, more probably, rich foreigners with money will soon be snapping up all the properties
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cheongsl Master	13-Jan-2013 09:03        cheongsl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	True, cooling measure will not take effect. If there is a demand, the rich would not think much with this few % of stamp duty, the property company will still continue to prosperous, government is just trying to gain more from the property booming. As for Reits, I think current rental rate is too high, the shop items are actually selling too high also, that is why even through the internet seller are selling at 1.5~3 times the price of China, the goods still able to sell (taking into risk of bad quality and damage and also postage fees etc.), as shop are selling even higher, which I compare which is usually 3~10times. Sometime I only sit outside the shop to observe, the business don't seems to be good. and also do some calculation. The shop get its money from shoppers, the shoppers from work, the salary did not see any drastic increase, but the goods price is increasing, even though Singapore dollar appreciate to other currency, but the price is actually inflated by the rental charge. I have also check other website like internet delivery etc. As the shipping price are declining, actually you can get 1kg goods at 18RMB, just take a look of taobao the delivery, there are long list, that is why you can get the 7" tablet at Q0010 at around S$80++, tablet in Taobao cheap one you can get around 200~300RMB, one parcel of 1kg you can have around 4 so total price + freight is only (consider 1 as 250rmb), so 250*4+18 = 1018rmb, convert to S$ is around S$200, any internet purchase parcel send to Singapore below S$400 (CIF)  is free of duty, thus the actual price for the tablet is around S$50, but selling at S$80, thus is a 60% gain, but also observe the Q0010 the sales payment % also increase (is equivalent to rental rate increase, thus in future individual might make the hassle to prearrange the shipment etc), simlim etc are selling at S$160+ thus the gain is even more, but I believe most of it when to the rental. If no more correction of the singapore good pricing. This will off cause result in frieght rate increase, thus this turn me to check the BDI, and it proved that the BDI show a reversal, and checking on shipping industries, etc. Finally come to the ship building industries. This show interesting result, thus I have been vest in Yangzijiang since November last year, and shall continue to hold until things changes. I think rental price if further increase will really pull down Reits, as shop will start to close down, as business will fade off due to too high pricing, current payout of 90% can only have a yield of 6~7% that is too little. That is why I am totally out of Reits last year september, which have been favour for me for the past few years. The rental can continue to climb for the past years is due to strong Singapore dollar, sharp decline in shipping cost from 2008 till date  from 11,680 to current 760. So actually the retail shop earning from this is go into the Reits, and you still see the price of goods increase. Shopping trend take time to change, and I see changes in place. iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:41) Posted: Cooling or no cooling, more probably, rich foreigners with money will soon be snapping up all the properties. gavinl      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:11) Posted: Good question! I thought the opposite will happen since property to expensive to buy,people might turn to rental. No experinece in reits and property,so will appreaciate some guilding.
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cheongsl Master	13-Jan-2013 08:05        cheongsl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Trend or dircetion is a tendency of reaching a certain point. Why try to mislead  people into  defining tendency as 100% will? It is just the likelyhood. Can be 50%, 65%, etc. iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 17:25) Posted: This is very dangerous for stock newbies, because they always want to believe in something,     Anything that sounds authentic to them, they will believe. And when they believe, they will " mau " .           Now regarding direction and trend, no one can tell the direction or the trend.                 The trend or direction which is revealed by the market is only till the present moment.                       From this present moment on, the direction or trend can change or reverse.                             In other words, no one knows when it will reverse. It may reverse, it may not.                                     To say that it is going in any particular direction is being contentious,                                               and that is bad. Hope stock newbies get the point so far. But I bet not... lol... Peter_Pan      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 11:37) Posted: Must also know current market direction
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Isolator Supreme	13-Jan-2013 03:01        Isolator About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood: Yells: "STI is hard landing to below 2000..."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Those who don't understand sifu ip saying... Is actually revealing your ignorant in the markets.... Especially the ma Hou bao boy... It talk too much.... Lol..... Let the market unwrap the truth... Enjoy...
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medivh Elite	13-Jan-2013 01:30        medivh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	We need a philosophy thread title " Chicken soup for the soul by iPunter" here in SJ. NB:    if newbies or oldies wan to " mau" , No amt of reasoning you trying to put here is useful anyway..       so its better for you perhaps to just sleep tight, have gd time with family and loved ones  ^.^ iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 17:25) Posted: This is very dangerous for stock newbies, because they always want to believe in something,     Anything that sounds authentic to them, they will believe. And when they believe, they will " mau " .           Now regarding direction and trend, no one can tell the direction or the trend.                 The trend or direction which is revealed by the market is only till the present moment.                       From this present moment on, the direction or trend can change or reverse.                             In other words, no one knows when it will reverse. It may reverse, it may not.                                     To say that it is going in any particular direction is being contentious,                                               and that is bad. Hope stock newbies get the point so far. But I bet not... lol... Peter_Pan      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 11:37) Posted: Must also know current market direction
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Goldfinger Member	12-Jan-2013 22:52        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I personally don't think there will be a negative impact on Reits.  If anything, there could be some form of substitution effect in the longer term, as  investors affected by  the property  measures begin to move their funds into high dividend paying counters perhaps, with the same objectives of passive income and capital gains? iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:41) Posted: Cooling or no cooling, more probably, rich foreigners with money will soon be snapping up all the properties. gavinl      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:11) Posted: Good question! I thought the opposite will happen since property to expensive to buy,people might turn to rental. No experinece in reits and property,so will appreaciate some guilding.
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iPunter Supreme	12-Jan-2013 21:41        iPunter About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Cooling or no cooling, more probably, rich foreigners with money will soon be snapping up all the properties. gavinl      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:11) Posted: Good question! I thought the opposite will happen since property to expensive to buy,people might turn to rental. No experinece in reits and property,so will appreaciate some guilding. ballball      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:06) Posted: Why / how reits are affected?
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gavinl Elite	12-Jan-2013 21:11        gavinl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good question! I thought the opposite will happen since property to expensive to buy,people might turn to rental. No experinece in reits and property,so will appreaciate some guilding. ballball      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 21:06) Posted: Why / how reits are affected? bishan22      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 13:06) Posted: Dont put everything in one basket. Monday will see free fall for property and reits counters. Good luck.
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ballball Master	12-Jan-2013 21:06        ballball About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Why / how reits are affected? bishan22      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 13:06) Posted: Dont put everything in one basket. Monday will see free fall for property and reits counters. Good luck.  tiancai007      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 12:38) Posted: Wow. Rich man. A lot of REITs.
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iPunter Supreme	12-Jan-2013 18:59        iPunter About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	One should not twist the discussion into a warped one.     The stock market is an interesting place for everyone. And why should the market be closed?           The stock market will never be closed...  because it is a market for everyone to buy and sell...  to bet... skk888      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 18:12) Posted: He's referring to anyone who's keen to invest to trade (i.e. " newbie" ). Summary of his arguments Nobody should have hope in whether the trend will go up or down in future. Nobody know the direction from this point on. Therefore, nobody should never buy/sell in anticipation or a rise/fall.  In short, close the markets and probably this site as well. Nobody is keen.  Peter_Pan      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 17:55) Posted: Based on your sayings, a trader better stay out of the market and don't take any calculated risk at all
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skk888 Veteran	12-Jan-2013 18:12        skk888 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	He's referring to anyone who's keen to invest to trade (i.e. " newbie" ). Summary of his arguments Nobody should have hope in whether the trend will go up or down in future. Nobody know the direction from this point on. Therefore, nobody should never buy/sell in anticipation or a rise/fall.  In short, close the markets and probably this site as well. Nobody is keen.  Peter_Pan      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 17:55) Posted: Based on your sayings, a trader better stay out of the market and don't take any calculated risk at all. iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 17:25) Posted: This is very dangerous for stock newbies, because they always want to believe in something,     Anything that sounds authentic to them, they will believe. And when they believe, they will " mau " .           Now regarding direction and trend, no one can tell the direction or the trend.                 The trend or direction which is revealed by the market is only till the present moment.                       From this present moment on, the direction or trend can change or reverse.                             In other words, no one knows when it will reverse. It may reverse, it may not.                                     To say that it is going in any particular direction is being contentious,                                               and that is bad. Hope stock newbies get the point so far. But I bet not... lol...
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Peter_Pan Supreme	12-Jan-2013 17:55        Peter_Pan About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "did you order dunkin' donuts"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Based on your sayings, a trader better stay out of the market and don't take any calculated risk at all. iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 17:25) Posted: This is very dangerous for stock newbies, because they always want to believe in something,     Anything that sounds authentic to them, they will believe. And when they believe, they will " mau " .           Now regarding direction and trend, no one can tell the direction or the trend.                 The trend or direction which is revealed by the market is only till the present moment.                       From this present moment on, the direction or trend can change or reverse.                             In other words, no one knows when it will reverse. It may reverse, it may not.                                     To say that it is going in any particular direction is being contentious,                                               and that is bad. Hope stock newbies get the point so far. But I bet not... lol... Peter_Pan      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 11:37) Posted: Must also know current market direction
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Dividend_Warrior Senior	12-Jan-2013 17:45        Dividend_Warrior About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Mood: Yells: "I am getting $1100 per month in dividends :)"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	U guys are funny!   Hahahahaha!!!
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iPunter Supreme	12-Jan-2013 17:25        iPunter About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is very dangerous for stock newbies, because they always want to believe in something,     Anything that sounds authentic to them, they will believe. And when they believe, they will " mau " .           Now regarding direction and trend, no one can tell the direction or the trend.                 The trend or direction which is revealed by the market is only till the present moment.                       From this present moment on, the direction or trend can change or reverse.                             In other words, no one knows when it will reverse. It may reverse, it may not.                                     To say that it is going in any particular direction is being contentious,                                               and that is bad. Hope stock newbies get the point so far. But I bet not... lol... Peter_Pan      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 11:37) Posted: Must also know current market direction. iPunter      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 09:09) Posted: Peter Pan: " ... Must also know current market direction... " No one can know the market direction. Do you?     If you do, then I will certainly expect you to bet heavily (" mau" )...
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medivh Elite	12-Jan-2013 16:11        medivh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	LOL...Long Kang shen maybe la..     She has posted everything bad about S'pore economy etc..STI sure fall etc.. few months to few yrs back.           If she so zhun, no need be here liao haha.. come here just want to bird talk only (" ,) (," ) alooloo      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 15:08) Posted: He did chant and warn ppl about property few months ago.... May be he is the God Of Property... Don't play play. ok... he/she got really deep pocket one.... cheongsl      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 07:37) Posted: See whether auntie Iso can withstand until the bear come loh, then auntie Iso will be the " 股 神 " 。
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GorgeousOng Elite	12-Jan-2013 16:05        GorgeousOng About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Hehehaha...enjoy life n live to the fullest..."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I would like to add on, everyone here do not post how much you have profited from the stock market too. It is very ...very ...very dangerous ...pls protect yourself n family members medivh      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 15:43) Posted: Pls do not openly share your holdings like this.. It really doesn't prove anything     Even if forummers taunt you and call you names like " Ma Hou Bao" etc.. they are simply luring you to divulge your personal details etc.         There are a lot of dangerous ppl who will can do unscrupulous things when you post such things,                   so rememb. protect yourself first is v. impt, else you end up being a victim of those acts..(" ,) (," ).             Dividend_Warrior      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 12:27) Posted: Sharing my portfolio.
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GorgeousOng Elite	12-Jan-2013 15:56        GorgeousOng About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Hehehaha...enjoy life n live to the fullest..."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	产 业 股 神 alooloo      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 15:08) Posted: He did chant and warn ppl about property few months ago.... May be he is the God Of Property... Don't play play. ok... he/she got really deep pocket one.... cheongsl      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 07:37) Posted: See whether auntie Iso can withstand until the bear come loh, then auntie Iso will be the " 股 神 " 。
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medivh Elite	12-Jan-2013 15:43        medivh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Pls do not openly share your holdings like this.. It really doesn't prove anything     Even if forummers taunt you and call you names like " Ma Hou Bao" etc.. they are simply luring you to divulge your personal details etc.         There are a lot of dangerous ppl who will can do unscrupulous things when you post such things,                   so rememb. protect yourself first is v. impt, else you end up being a victim of those acts..(" ,) (," ).             Dividend_Warrior      ( Date: 12-Jan-2013 12:27) Posted: Sharing my portfolio.
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