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limhpp
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12-Feb-2008 10:36
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Why the sudden cheong?? More good news? |
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novena_33
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12-Feb-2008 09:43
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JJ...i think u need to try other combination..... maybe like 79 |
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gbleng
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12-Feb-2008 09:38
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What's happening?? Any one has an idea?? |
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jackjames
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12-Feb-2008 09:05
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u read my mind, I love 69... |
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novena_33
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12-Feb-2008 09:01
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JJ...bro...u just wait at 69 there .....maybe the durian will drop to u..... is that the price or some thing else.... |
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jackjames
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12-Feb-2008 08:53
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not even a single chance to buy cheap during these days of correction, hmmp! |
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09-Feb-2008 13:51
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Now that BIG and Terumo has got the CE mark, the question on everyone?s mind must be ? How good is the product ? Does it have what it takes to beat the competition out there ? Will it translate into tremendous revenue and correspondingly profitability for BIG ?
For some of the answers, lets turn to the recent TCT2007 symposium held on Oct 2007 for the family of companies that that uses the Biolimus/PLA polymer, with notable and renowned speakers like Gregg Stone (dpy chairman of Cardiovascular Research Foundation, principal investigator of the Xience DES for Abbot, Eberhad Grube, Peter Fitzgerald, Renu Virmani ? pathologist who spearheads the concept that inflammation and fibrin growth, and lack of endothelialisation is causing stent thrombosis.
Issues that were highlighted and debated in the conference :
1) The biolimus/PLA formulation has been used across 4 different stent platform, with the same consistent excellent results of low MACE rates (eg 3.7 for Nobori vs 5.6 for Taxus), low Binary Restenosis rate(eg 0.7 for Nobori vs 5.4 for Taxus), low neointimal hyperplasia volume (eg 2.7 for Nobori vs 13.4 for Taxus) and low Instent Late Loss (eg 0.11 for Nobori vs 0.32 for Taxus).
The conference went on to note that the combined number of patients across the 4 different were about 2,100 patients ? a good enough number to gauge the efficacy and safety of the formulation. (I think that is what they say)
2) Presentation of the XTENT DES was impressive ? the only stent in the world right now that can customize the length of the stent, as well as the diameter, while in the patient?s body.
3) Also, as the XTENT is a stent that comprises of 6mm pieces that are interdigitated together, it is able to conform to the movement and bending of the blood vessel, without danger of stent fracture, etc. (imagine that the stent is like a caterpillar with many 6 mm segments forming its body, and imagine what other conventional stent will look like, if it is contorted while in the blood vessel,especially stents that are crushed together )
It is also the only DES stent in the world where you can treat multiple lesions with a single insertion of the carthethar, including inflation of the balloon to ensure that the stent is well opposed against the vessel wall. (In other DES, you probably have to insert at least 3 times to perform all of the above function, causing more time, money, and more complications)
4) .The question was asked by Greg Stone ? Can the Xtent DES be the workhorse DES stent of the future ? Some answers ? Only when larger clinical trials are done, with tracking going into a larger number of years of follow-up. Eberhad Grube is of the opinion that the Xtent will be a specialty DES that will be used for long lesions and multi-lesions, as the current technique of using multiple stents and crushing them together at the ends results in much higher MACE rates and restenosis rates.(Current DES stents longest length is at most 36-40 mm long, while the XTENT is 60 mm long)
5) Renu Virmani presented clinical trials using porcine models that shows that the old generation DES like Cypher, Taxus cause fibrin deposition, inflammation and lack of endothelialization (These 3 factors will contribute to late stent thrombosis),as opposed to to the Biolimus/PLA formulation that seems to be better in those 3 aspects.
6) Eberhad Grube was of the opinion that the DEVAX bifurcation DES is the answer to the problems of bifurcation lesions, as the clinical trials shows low MACE rates, low restenosis, etc, compared to the conventional method of again crushing stents.
7) He expressed frustration, on why the medical authorities have NOT YET approved this DES, even with a 3 year follow-up with good results.
The above are my interpretation of the TCT2007 audio conference of the symposium held by Biosensors. You are encouraged to listen to the conference call yourself (in Biosensors? website).
Not a call to buy/sell. Besides the fundamentals, the technical picture as well as the overall bearishness of the mkt has to be considered as well. |
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bengster68
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08-Feb-2008 18:18
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I feel Biomatrix will be the DES king for a long long time. The article posted by Mr Investor is factual..... if BMS is already proven to be able stay in arteries for a very long time without any late hazards, whats the whole point of using fully-biodegredable DES (magnesium or 100% biodegredable polymer)? A BMS that is coated with drugs and leave behind a BMS after finishing its drug elusion function is a very simple and achieveable solution. BIG's "any limus family drug on biodegredable polymer" patent will be worth at least US$500m one day. |
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singaporegal
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08-Feb-2008 17:58
Yells: "Female TA nut" |
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Signs are somewhat unclear but there's a slight possibility of bottoming out. |
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investor
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08-Feb-2008 12:54
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The article is dated Feb 2006 - For info only.(Only extracted portions that are relevant) Next-generation drug-eluting stents tackle shortcomings of Cypher, Taxus
New York, NY - With several new drug-eluting stents (DES) already available in Europe and in pivotal clinical trials in the US, interventional cardiologists are starting to hope that the innovative newcomers will resolve many of their concerns or complaints about the Cypher (Cordis/Johnson & Johnson) and Taxus (Boston Scientific) devices.
Dr Mitchell Krucoff (Source:
"With any breakthrough technology that changes the landscape of medical therapeutics, the reality is, the first version is always the worst version," Dr Mitchell Krucoff (Duke Clinical Research Institute,
"In the case of first-generation DES, these are essentially bare-metal stents that have been spray-painted with plastic."
Liberté (Source:
While next-generation versions of both the Cypher and Taxus, known as the Cypher Select and Taxus Liberté, are already CE Mark approved and poised for US approval, both have focused primarily on easier deliverability, a major buzzword of the early DES era.
Elsewhere, companies have tried to emulate or improve on the success of the Cypher by developing new macrolide immunosuppressive ("limus") drugs, such as biolimus A9 (Biosensors), everolimus (Guidant), tacrolimus (Sorin, Abbott), and zotarolimus (Abbott, Medtronic) for stent-based delivery.
Likewise, innovation in stent composition and design continues, with many second-generation drug-eluting stents available outside
Indeed, Cordis/J&J has its own cobalt-chromium stent, the Cypher Neo, still several years away from
Cypher Select (Source: Cordis/J&J)
Perhaps the biggest and most contentious flurry of activity centers on the actual mechanics of drug-delivery and the need for a polymer coating. Polymers have been hailed by some as essential to controlled drug elution and maligned by others as a ticking time bomb: the potential cause of increased late thrombosis and other adverse tissue responses. The polymer has also been blamed for stent-delivery glitches; in particular, the increased friction, or "stickiness," between the delivery balloon and the stent itself.
Although the original Taxus and Cypher stents both have polymer coatings, other DES developed at the same time, such Cook Inc's drug-eluting stent program, did not make it through clinical testing, having failed to demonstrate superiority over bare-metal stents?a fault blamed largely on the inability to regulate elution of the drug.
Puzzling over polymers
Dr Marie-Claude Morice
New stents, however, are revisiting the concept of polymer-free stents or at least trying to develop polymers that will disappear over time. As Dr Marie-Claude Morice (Institut Cardiovasculaire Paris Sud,
The same cannot be said for the polymer.
"It's a very important issue," Morice said. "The polymer coatings currently used reflect the early phase of DES development. The long-term outcome of bare stents is well known, whereas that of polymer coatings is not."
Dr Adnan Kastrati (Deutsches Herzzentrum,
There are not enough data to show that polymers are risky over the long term, but there are still some concerns," Kastrati said.
Dr Adnan Kastrati
Those concerns stem from a number of sources, experts say. For one, says Krucoff, even a polymer that is not loaded with drug can cause localized reactions in the artery.
"In the preclinical work with the Cypher stent in pigs, for instance, it was very dramatic that once the sirolimus had eluted, there was an intense subsequent inflammatory response at the cellular level that generated profound late in-stent restenosis," Krucoff explained
. "Now, it's very clear we're not seeing that in humans, but on the other hand, this does give us an animal model that alerts us to the fact that, once the drug has eluted, if the polymers persist, these are not inert substances."
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While not everyone agrees on the absolute need for a polymer, most concede that the best-of-both-worlds strategy would be to have a polymer that disappears after it has done its job.
Sahajanand Medical Technologies' (SMT) Infinnium stent elutes paclitaxel via a proprietary biodegradable polymer, while Conor Medsystem's has its own PLGA bioabsorbable polymer that it is testing on its CoStar stent.
Other front-runners in the field are Guidant, Biosensors, and Terumo, whose Champion, BioMatrix, and Nobori stent programs, respectively, all use Biosensor's proprietary bioresorbable polymer.
Last year, however, Guidant announced that it would first be moving forward with its Xience (previously known as the Vision) DES program, which uses a durable polymer, instead of its Champion stent program, as a result of "link fractures" seen in the Champion's stent platform during testing.
Reva (Source: Reva Medical)
Still, as Krucoff pointed out to heartwire, second-generation stent manufacturers focusing on bioresorbable polymers are for the most part basing their technologies on elements that are already well established in the coronary stent world: antiproliferative drugs delivered via metal stents.
Beyond these are the devices he believes are best described as "third-generation" devices, namely fully bioresorbable stents, made completely out of dissolving polymers or magnesium. Companies like Reva, Endovasc/TissueGen, and Igaki-Tamai have all presented or published data in recent years on stents made completely out of biodegradable polymers that elute drug as they dissolve.
Taking another tactic, Biotronik is working away on a drug-eluting magnesium-based alloy that degrades over the course of approximately two months and, in 2004, signed an agreement with Conor to develop a fully absorbable magnesium-based DES.
Maybe it's enough to have a bare-metal stent with a good drug on it.
This is "an entirely new domain," Krucoff says. "There are some totally novel questions that will have to be answered to make these fully bioresorbable stents usable and government approved in the
And is that different if that is a metal scaffolding vs a plastic scaffolding? The answers to all of these questions really have to be worked out.
The second-generation stents, like the Conor stent, can come forward very quickly because the components they are using are all very well known.
Third-generation, fully bioabsorbable stents, will enter a new domain in such fundamental ways that they're certainly going to have to do a lot more work."
Kastrati, likewise, called the whole field of bioabsorbable platforms "an interesting idea" but pointed out that it is one that has been around from the dawn of bare-metal stents, when people were first concerned about leaving bare metal in coronary arteries. Those fears, he points out, have largely disappeared
. If the polymer problems can be solved and the stent design doesn't pose late hazards, having the stent disappear altogether might not be necessary.
"If we can get a good drug," says Kastrati, "maybe it's enough to have a bare-metal stent with a good drug on it."
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bengster68
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06-Feb-2008 10:22
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GONG XI FA CAI WISHING ALL BIOSENSORS SUPPORTERS A HAPPY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR. HUAT AH!!! |
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novena_33
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06-Feb-2008 09:42
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well..if he is...then.... he will know that we are on the same side.... |
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jackjames
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06-Feb-2008 09:35
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so, just wait for me go back and get promoted, LOL.. who knows, your boss is one of the member of SJ, ha ha hhaa. and he might listen to you to buy BIG, ekkekekee.. |
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Manikamaniho
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06-Feb-2008 09:26
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Certain good quality stocks can resiliently resist market falls and even rise against the trend... It happened to Apple Computers in wall street... that stick surprisingly rose and rose in the midst of a bear market... |
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novena_33
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06-Feb-2008 09:25
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yarlor...some more whole day.... but lucky thing all mgr not around.... just have a long breakfast...from 8 till 9.....now...have another long tea break....follow by lunch out....till 3..... guess i call it a day..... did u say submarine.... ... yes it should be under water...so no suprise... sorry lar...joking... any way.... WISH all BIG fan out there a Happy Chinese New Year.... a Huat Huat one.... |
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jackjames
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06-Feb-2008 09:14
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damn, novena, are u in the office today? my goodness, u should just go home la.. all managers not in the office, right? heee heee.. i am looking closely at sembmarine, my goodness, drop to 2.89... So cheap u know. |
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cwwan1
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06-Feb-2008 09:08
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I wish every BIG supporters a Happy Lunar New Year! |
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novena_33
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06-Feb-2008 09:04
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opps sorry is 370 ... |
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novena_33
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06-Feb-2008 09:02
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u never know with this guy here..... some time...it does give us some suprise...some time only.... but with 390 points drop.... can hold is good enough...... |
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Manikamaniho
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06-Feb-2008 08:56
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Yes... Bull vs Bear tussle... |
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