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13-Apr-2009 23:30
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if u r right then good, can buy low sooner....dun hv 2 wait long, d most wait 6 mths. | ||||
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13-Apr-2009 23:24
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By Lynn Thomasson April 13 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, sending the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index lower following its best five-week gain since the Great Depression, as Chevron Corp. and Boeing Co. predicted lower earnings and Genworth Financial Inc. failed to qualify for government bailout funds. Chevron, the second-largest U.S. oil company, retreated 2.6 percent. Boeing, the nation’s biggest commercial-plane maker, lost 6.5 percent. Genworth, which sells life insurance and mortgage coverage, plunged 28 percent as the Treasury rejected its application to become a savings and loan holding company. General Motors Corp. tumbled 14 percent on a New York Times report that federal officials have ordered the company to prepare for bankruptcy. “Buying stocks is like crossing Fifth Avenue when the light is red,” said Laszlo Birinyi, president of Westport, Connecticut-based Birinyi Associates Inc., in a Bloomberg Television interview. “You might make it, but the odds are not with you.” The S&P 500 slid 1 percent to 847.83 at 9:34 a.m. in New York. The Dow Jones Industrial Average declined 79.89, or 1 percent, to 8,003.49. Markets in Europe were closed, while the MSCI Asia Pacific Index climbed 0.4 percent. Citigroup Inc., Goldman Sachs Group Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and General Electric Co. are among more than 30 S&P 500 companies scheduled to announce results this week. Profits probably fell for a seventh-straight quarter in the January-to- March period, the longest stretch of declines since at least the Great Depression. Asian Stocks Advance Asian stocks climbed for a third day as Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso doubled stimulus spending and Chinese lending jumped by a record. Treasuries rose, following three weeks of losses. The yen fell against all of the other major currencies on speculation the global financial crisis is easing. Chevron lost 2.6 percent to $67.44. Profit for the first quarter was less than the fourth quarter of 2008, when Chevron had net income of $4.9 billion, the company said in a statement April 9. The price Chevron received for U.S. crude slumped 63 percent during the quarter to $33.37 a barrel, the company said. Exxon Mobil Corp., the largest oil producer, retreated 1.9 percent to $68.54. Boeing dropped 6.5 percent $36.60. The company said it will cut production of its most profitable model next year, reducing earnings starting with the first quarter of 2009, as the global recession hurts business at airlines and cargo carriers. Genworth Financial tumbled 28 percent to $1.97. The company was rejected from becoming a savings and loan after regulators approved plans from competing life insurers including Hartford Financial Services Group Inc. to gain status as lenders, a requirement for funds from the TARP program. GM Concern GM fell 14 percent to $1.75. The Treasury Department asked the automaker to get ready for a bankruptcy filing by June 1, the New York Times reported, citing people with knowledge of the plans. The automaker contends it could still reorganize outside court, the newspaper said. The S&P 500 surged 27 percent from a 12-year low reached on March 9 through last week as investors speculated that the $12.8 trillion pledged by the administrations of Barack Obama and George W. Bush and the Federal Reserve to rescue the financial system will revive corporate profits. Citigroup, Bank of America Corp. and JPMorgan said last month they made money at the start of 2009, while Wells Fargo & Co. posted higher-than-estimated earnings last week and President Obama said the economy is “starting to see progress” toward recovery. Still, earnings at S&P 500 companies probably fell 38 percent on average in the first quarter, according to analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Profits may drop 31 percent in the second quarter and 18 percent in the next before gaining 74 percent in the last three months of the year, analysts predict |
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bola_no1
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13-Apr-2009 19:55
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STI is slowing creeping up to 2000, weeks by weeks slowly but surely. Hope it will go pass 2000 by end of Apr | ||||
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13-Apr-2009 19:33
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When Citi report very strong profit on this Friday. What kind of excuse will investors be looking for to inorder to push dow to 10000 pts.. Market have create 40%- 200% paper wealth since jan... Hope that will create alot of liquidity in the market.. Sudden we are all 40%- 200% richer based on portfolio... Sell some shares can buy new car or deposit for new house for some.. Make the profit from selling the stock Try to buy physical things to create demand like cars, house, durable goods and food... Economy willl be good in no time. Cheers |
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aleoleo
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13-Apr-2009 14:15
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Hang Seng closed for holiday, nikkei also close. STI heading no way now ..... | ||||
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 13:59
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Different ppl got their own different way of doing things...but i will take a gamble to stay and will get out on 8% reversal ..i will let greed rule for now..I am referring to stock, not gold and silver relate..they are for gold $2600..(target). Expect Citi to report good....DOYDD.. |
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 13:50
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I am some close to 40% profit in SGX and NYSE....but the most beautiful is still my gold and silver stock...most of them bought 2000 to 2001 ..and some bought along..the way....est 7 to 13 times...yes 700% to 1300%.....i dont want to put exact $ figure..cause u may not believe..and i dont want to be appear snobbish...i am lucky(70%)... But i still forsee multi bagger return for PM stock going forward,,..in years to come..and i suggest u buy some..DYODD. |
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Hulumas
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13-Apr-2009 13:36
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You are right, that is why I do not buy Banking nor financial sectoral stocks not untill the beginning of next year, but I keep buying the other sectoral shares, as the value have been driven down excessively by negative sentiment of the global general market rather than negative sentiment due to their own expected worse business performance prospects.
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keepnosecrets
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13-Apr-2009 13:35
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In March till today, my profit (mostly contra gains) are more than 30K. That means no capital outlay, don't know how many percent? | ||||
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 13:28
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My guess is that the dow the most hit 10000...due to the stimulus...but after that stimulus effect gone with nothing to show, so will be the rally..all gone.. Maybe upfront got correction then on the 10000 then ...downnnnn!!!DYODD |
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des_khor
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13-Apr-2009 13:25
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I'm fully out since last Mon.... I bought when market around 1600 and still corrected down to 1400 and up till 1850 level...no much profit ...just around 18ks with 80k cost !
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 13:21
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U are half right that tilted more to the wrong...if u have been watching without buying , u miss the beautiful ride up from 1400... But at this point, we can play but be alert...DYODD
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des_khor
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13-Apr-2009 13:18
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do u think market can sustain ?? any little move will lau sai like nobody else... better play safe stay at sideline to watch the great show... | ||||
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 13:16
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If IMF figure is right and honet, they telling us that we are in deep shit...depression...not deep recession....think again..the bank are worth 1t...they lost 1.5t..they are technically like some say....BANKRUPT...and Europe is even worse...they are worth much less and lose much much more... So if all these are fact,,, u think we can recover 2half 2009???or not...DYODD. i personnally wish the best..their losses will be our losses..more of my friend and relative will loss job... my business will be effected for sure.....we better prepare... |
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Hulumas
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13-Apr-2009 13:05
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The global share market prices are simply too low to sell now. Hence, I keep buying........
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 13:04
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And what happen when they dicover that US are not much better later... All rush into GOLD ans SILVER...build some position here...just 15% to 20% never wrong...DYODD |
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cheongwee
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13-Apr-2009 12:50
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IMF report 4 T...George Soro est. American bank 1.5T...that is right maybe IMF bring fortcoming Europe losses into account....1.5t+2.5t =4t.. Europe losses 2.5t is worse than US... invester have been selling Europe,,,that is why US$ is strengthenning... Europe the next bomd to go off....
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divearse
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13-Apr-2009 11:29
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Now I understand why we want to build Casinos in Singapore, if you cant beat them join them. Squat at the roadside car numberplate betting has gone hi-tech to become on-line stock trading, I have never seen so many clear signs of dooms, so many comments on bear in bull's clothing, yet the prices has shot up 50-70% from lowest in March 09. Keep and eye on political issues in Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia, they can only get worst instead of better in the mid term. Do try to find reasons to fufill your self denial.... 1. George's view: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a3.vEFtKe5Oo&refer=home 2. Technical Analysis: Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=a0WhQPSrzB6M&refer=home 3. PM Lee revise economy forcast: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/421275/1/.html 4. Skully's point about Temporary Losses in US Banks (Not-so Well Fargo) not reported, 5. Q1 Results are coming out, who is reporting good news apart from bicycle shop and pawn shops? 6. 4 Trillion $ Toxic Debt - IMF http://www.drudge.com/news/119872/imf-financial-institutions-hold-4-trillion how this can be resolved so quickly to justify a bull market? 7. Why do we study History in School? Because History will repeat itself ! - Professor Nouriel Roubini http://www.lateralthinking.biz/bear-market-rally.html Enough said, I forcast some people are going to cry soon.....so bad that the tears cant even come out.... Enjoying cheoong while you can, afterall we are a gambling nation... ![]() |
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ozone2002
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13-Apr-2009 09:31
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unrests in Thailand would unsettle regional countries e.g S'pore.. possible? Asian financial crisis was sparked by thailand.. dejavu? | ||||
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12-Apr-2009 16:26
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Bullish Days Ahead But Bear Is Lying In Wait For ... Contributed by Jeflin's Investment Blog 10-Apr
We are into the fifth week of upswing in the stock market. While stock valuations remain attractive for value investors, the market is overbought and a major correction is overdue. That is not to say that this bear rally is all fluff. “Green shoots” are sprouting and there are positive long term implications for the general economy. From Ben Bernanke’s purchase of Treasuries and toxic mortgage based securities to the recently concluded G20 summit, where a $1.1 trillion stimulus for the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and other international institutions was announced, a bullish vibe has developed. US retailers are also wearing a smile with improved sales, in a sign that shoppers may be regaining confidence to open their wallets after more than a year of recession. Of those which reported March sales, more than half topped Wall Street estimates, and a handful even raised their quarterly earnings outlook. New jobless claims also fell more than expected by three percent last week. Nevertheless, the figure which is still above 650,000 and remains at a 26-year high is not pretty and is not enough to fuel the rally by itself. What gave the rally extra legs was the announcement by Wells Fargo that it expected a “record” net income of 3 billion dollars for the first quarter. Following earlier reports by Bank of America, Citigroup, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs that January and February were profitable months, investors were already upbeat on the financial sector’s earning reports. Still, Wells Fargo took the cake by topping market expectations with a 50% surge in earnings as compared to a year ago. The main contributor was its newly acquired bank, Wachovia while the easing of mark-to-market regulations also played a part in lowering provisions for bad loans. The new rules allow banks to value their assets, instead of marking them at the price they will get in an open market currently. There is a strong case that mark-to-market accounting undervalues assets and unreasonably hurts the balance sheets of financial institutions, especially when the market is frozen. Billions of dollars in assets have been written down and resulted in the credit crunch and worsening recession. The banks have been lobbying left, right and center with a seductive argument that lending is curtailed because they cannot meet regulatory capital requirements. But they will have enough capital if they ignore the market and value assets at what they think they’re really worth. Congress swooned at their theory and have been pressuring the FASB to change or be changed. FASB caved in, and financial institutions are now free to apply the new rules to their financial statements for the quarter that ended on March 31st. Knowing that Mr Market can be susceptible to mood swings and manipulations, having the “discerning” bankers exercise judgment in valuing their assets can reduce the irrationality. However, I am concerned that a practical idea can be taken to extreme in the hands of greedy and irresponsible people. The banks could hide reality from investors under the pretext of distressed market and take matters into their own hands. Investors are no closer to knowing how much an asset is really worth. The banks can justify themselves with complex models by employing the best mathematicians and using the most advanced super-computers but we know how ineffective modelling can be when assumptions are flawed and the unexpected happen. Will the banks assessing their own assets make them less toxic? Are the new valuation of assets based on what the banks could get selling it today or at a later time when the market comes up? Now, long run can be a misleading guide to current affairs by glossing over short term problems. Everything will even out in the long term, as any statistician will attest and the best thing is it doesn’t matter because “in the long run, we are all dead.” There will certainly be more Enrons in the making which can only be countered by the implementation of effective disclosures. If the banks are not accountable and transparent, investors are taking huge risks by placing their faith in the balance sheets. So far, no one can declare confidently that bear rally is over. It has the potential to last another couple of weeks and create higher lows before it hands back its gains. To be sure, bear market rallies that propel stocks 40% higher from their lows are a common occurrence. But investors should note that fundamentals will not be rosy in the short term. In the case of Japan, exports are down 49% from a year back. Exports to the US, Japan’s largest trading partner, collapsed by 58.4% which is especially tough for small businesses. Industrial production was down 9.4% in February and the economy contracted 12.1% in the first three months of the year. Amid the gloom, companies are forced to cut jobs and salaries. Japan is not alone and other export economies, including Singapore, are dealing with declining order books and massive job losses. The United States is the main source of demand for the world economy. Until American consumers are in a mood to buy goods or services, global trade and stock markets are not expected to boom. Nevertheless, it is encouraging to note that Japan has unleashed another fiscal stimulus of 10 trillion yen to fight the economy?s deflation. This amounts to 4% of the GDP of the country being spent on stimulus. This is a further addition to the 12 trillion yen in spending planned under a previously announced stimulus package. There is also a ton of bricks hanging precariously above our heads if the International Monetary Fund’s forecast (which will be announced on April 21) that toxic debts incurred by banks and insurance companies have could soar to $4 trillion materialize. This assessment will be hugely anticipated because of the sheer size and is nearly double the worst estimate we’ve heard so far. It is an indication of how deep the global economy is mired in debt. The latest figure will include $900 billion for toxic assets that originated in Europe and Asia. The Federal Reserve has also put the muzzle on banks on the ?stress test? results which are to be revealed after the first-quarter earnings season. In normal circumstances, investors should take the stress tests in their stride and should not cause disruption to the stocks… unless there are worms in the can or more bailouts in the pipeline. There are still much uncertainties around. The bottom of a bear market is usually marked by extreme hardships in the streets. And in the event of a sustained bull run, investors must experience a period of relative calm for accumulation, where confidence can gradually be restored and convictions allowed to steadily build. That has yet to occur. Meanwhile, enjoy the continuing rally which will be good while it last. Just don’t get stuck with delusional optimism and invest with abandon
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