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STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors
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christan
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03-Sep-2009 09:52
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tis mth is PENNY month | ||||
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cheongwee
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03-Sep-2009 09:49
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i thk 1 wk back i call to buy Q..did u all buy? look one Q is swimming,finally...qianhu.. | ||||
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cheongwee
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03-Sep-2009 09:46
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no...no...no..wait u see...i have been in gold since 2003..i got gold and silver stock..and i tell u this, have u ever heard of PPT..u read it, then u know why gold is not ready to stay abv 4 figure.. but i love it is can, the better....we see...it drop big time...when???as soon as the end of this month.. dont buy now...u regret...pls dyodd..
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ozone2002
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03-Sep-2009 08:52
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Look @ Gold's rise yesterday!.. $978! reaching $1k soon.. oil falling below 70.. signs that money is moving into safe havens other than the stock market.. u have been warned.. DYODD.. |
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jeremyow
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03-Sep-2009 00:00
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Most stocks are already fully valued at fair value. There is no more incentive for bargain buys now. Last year October to this year April was the best time period to capture undervalued stocks from good companies. So, those investors who have bought into undervalued shares of good companies in their portfolio over that period, and now have sold off may not get such bargain prices revisiting them again in future. As mentioned by many, that period was a rare period of significant stock price retreat ever since world war two. So, those investors who did not invest at such low bargain prices (due to fear) or have already sold off their shares recently for a one-time gain, may not be able to buy back at such low valuations a long time into the future. Investors may have got their fair share of good profits from recent rally if they have sold off their shares. However, this is the only much they can get. It is always the patient long term investors who will eventually reap the greater rewards by compounding their returns from their undervalued shares. Just observe good companies around (e.g. Wilmar International, Singapore banks, Keppel Corp, Great Eastern Holdings). The early investors who still have shares bought at low levels in such companies are already sitting on good compounding returns ever since they bought into shares of these companies which have increased over many folds in capital gains and dividends payout. This compounding effect is even more pronounced if the investor has huge amounts of shares already bought at low levels. It is the later investors who bought in at higher levels that may not get as good compounding returns compared to those that bought in earlier at lower levels. Good companies can grow and compound one's returns significantly over a period of time. If such good companies have chance to be traded at undervalued levels again, it is unmistakeably a rare opportunity not to be missed for buying their shares. That was October last year to April this year. Now, it is extremely difficult to get such bargains again. So, there are not many worthy businesses of investing value at undervalued prices now. However, if prices are also not extremely overvalued based on current market valuation, one may still invest though at less attractive prices now than before. Will March lows be revisited again? No one has the answer. However, if the stock train stops miraculously again at March lows, make sure one don't miss the train again (due to fear overshadowing rational decision making).
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 18:09
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integrity....but what u say also got basic...i am still pessimitic going forward...unless Oct and Nov pass by without major incident... but we got a common ground...we both like gold and silver...i belive 2010,,belong to gold.. XOP of gold 1500!!!! |
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 17:44
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their index is some ten of thousand...so 350 is minor...pls state in % term.. i thk tonite dow shd be ok... crude shd be ok, up alittle, as factory order improve,..that is why manufacturing index is up on this one...FOMC,,of course,,they tok good, right... i see no issue here...so if u sell today panic, most likely u regret later... so tonite, dont tell me it is like last nite,last nite, i was happy in the beginning as data was solid.... Wednesday
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maxcty
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02-Sep-2009 17:19
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will DOW down almost 200 pts last nite, bring HSI and Nikki down 350 and 250 respectively....however, STI only down 26..means singapore is holding strong. we might see a rebound tmr before friday...think postive...my view only..haha... |
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 17:14
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What i consider big bad news?..big institution run into trouble...dow crash..that will force me out....other than that 100 to 200 pts ..will not scare me.. last few min. someone throw to me another 33 lots of armstrong.. |
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maxcty
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02-Sep-2009 17:08
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nope..i am still holding..some are still losing $$ so cant sell. sold my sinotel today to get some profit 1st. still holding my li heng, etc...
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niuyear
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02-Sep-2009 17:05
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Kindly share which stocks are right now still 'undervalue' since March's rally.
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 17:02
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you means you sold all??? either u are right or i am wrong..but i still believe this is one of the down... since Apr till now..i have gone thro this...may this time it is real, but how could be...all data point to bull....or bullshiy...hahahaha
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 17:00
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surprisingly, i was not hurt...but i was no happy that my friend here will suffer somehow... my tiong woon and li heng..keep me in the air...hope tonite dow soar.. |
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maxcty
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02-Sep-2009 16:57
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means is going to end soon...time to unload.....
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 16:46
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suppose to be a good day..good data..i cant believe it.. but still refuse to believe it is over now ... |
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cheongwee
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02-Sep-2009 16:29
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just got my armstrong 100lot 24.5c..and li hengin the morning at 38.5c..100lots also..wish me luck.. |
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erictkw
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02-Sep-2009 16:29
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Well written!!
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jeremyow
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02-Sep-2009 16:18
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Short term wise, the stock market is a betting machine (with everchanging sentiments and prices). Long term wise, the stock market is a weighing machine (with rising stock prices supported by economic fundamentals). There is no need for rocket science to forecast the stock market, just common sense. One can easily see the economic fundamentals globaly has started to improve. Though, global economy is still not out of the woods yet, there is already clear signs of improvement compared to one year before. So, economy is already recovering, but very very slowly and no one knows when the economy will be totally recovered to a healthy level. Usually, it is on hindsight that one will know that the economy has fully recovered. By then, the stock prices will be already overvalued since stock market always recover few months ahead of the actual economic recovery. Many investors and institutions are not stupid. They react very fast to every fresh news and indicators released. Look at the recent rally from March lows and one can see the effects of any piece of good news (though not very impressive economic news and indicators indicating recovery) that have institutional buyers and retail investors rushing back into equities to push up the prices (such that one may think we are already in a bull run with significant price surge). It was as if massive funds from institutions and retail investors were already in "alert mode" just waiting for any piece of stimulating good news, so that funds can immediately rush in at the first moment to capture the recent rally. The buying and selling sentiments are dependent on incoming news and indicators. These news and indicators though not to be ignored totally, still form competing noises competing for the buying and selling momentum. Does one base his buying and selling decisions just on the short term fluctuations of the stock market or the long term market valuations? Is there really going to be a correction? If so, how much will the stock market correct to? If someone has the answer, he can be rightly given the prestigious title of "Mr Market Fortune Teller". It is easy to lose the big picture if one gets caught up with daily or weekly fluctuations in stock market prices. There is nothing wrong with wanting to sell to lock in past paper profits and prevent one's profits from downsizing in a temporary price dip. One always give the arguement that should prices go up after one sells, one can always buy back higher. What matters is that one always profit and never lose. However, what makes one so sure that the next stock or same stock one buys at higher price is going even higher. An impatient investor that always "hit and run" from stocks will tend to do so because he wants to see profits fast. Yes. High can go higher. Just make sure one is not the last to catch the bomb being pass from one investor to the next willing buyer at even higher prices (a display of "greater fool theory"). Another fearful reaction is to exit at the first sign of impending drop in prices. If one has bought a lot of shares too high, he should be rightly fearful since it means a potential significant loss for him. However, if one has bought lots of shares at low stock valuations, what is the big deal with a temporary dip in prices if he has a long term investing horizon? He will be gladly waiting for lower prices to present yet another buying opportunity. For the former "hit and run" type investors, though he thinks he is in control and knows when to buy and sell, it is also ironical that he may not be in total control since he is tossed around by the swings and moods of the stock market to determine his actions. Many may know the basic rule of buying low and selling high. However, not many may understand this rule of buying low and selling high applies with respect to the valuations of the market and individual stock, and not with respect to short term fluctuations between minor low and minor high which do not necessarily reflect undervalued or overvalued prices. Should one sell at current market valuation? The answer depends on whether the market is going to head higher than current valuations in future. If this is an overvalued market now and stock market indices will not go any higher for the next decade, by all means sell all is better now. If market is to head higher in future (gradually), rethink carefully whether one is selling low and will be buying higher in future? No matter what the arguements one has, the market is always right in showing itself whether it is currently undervalued, fully valued or grossly overvalued already. <Investing is just simply paying less to get better returns. Buy undervalued excellent businesses and reap compounded returns. Sell only when the business is grossly overvalued or when it is not worth investing in the business anymore because it has deteroriated permanently or there is a better business than current one to invest in.> <Focus on businesses and let the stock market fluctuations and valuations present the right prices to buy or sell.> <Minor swings will be forgotten soon as the stock market continues to head higher in future.> <Just make sure one is not left behind out of the bigger general rising trend, being outsmarted by his own smartness always on the "hit and run".> <My two cents worth.> <Please dyodd too. Thanks.> |
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erictkw
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02-Sep-2009 16:10
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DJ MARKET TALK: STI Off 0.9%; Negative Bias Tipped For Sep -DBSV 0640 GMT [Dow Jones] Singapore stocks showing few signs of reversing losses in afternoon trade as buying conviction lacking. STI off 0.9% at 2,572.25, although unlikely to test support at August low of 2,521, while market breadth still at just under 4 decliners for each gainer. "This is a cautious month. If you do not know how to cut losses, don't get involved in the game, in case you end up buying high and selling low," says foreign house dealer. "Index-wise, the seasonal trend for the month of September tends to track a slight negative bias, but the direction from a day-to-day basis can be choppy," says DBS Vickers; notes STI lost average of 3.5% in September over 10-year period from 1999-2008. (FKH) |
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richtan
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02-Sep-2009 14:58
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To me, it is a mkt collapse as very drastic from current 2600 to 1800, a drop of 800 points and below the 200ema, a bear mkt, b4 then, I would be aredi out of the mkt if it does happen as I would be out if it ever close 2 days continuous below the 200ema and turn to CFD shorting.
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