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Sporeguy
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29-Sep-2009 23:03
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Using Yahoo Charts , note that there are 3 possibilities: 1) V-shaped recovery, then up and down on a narrow range of few hundreds points for 2 yrs before moving up by a 1000 pts. 2) W-shaped recovery, hitting the second bottom about 1.5 yrs from Mar 2009, ie Sept 2010 (Aha ! election around Mar or Jun 2010), then another 1000 to the previous top (so 4800) 3) V-shape recovery right up to previous height of around 3800, 1.5 yrs from Mar 2009, i.e Sept 2010 again (Aha! election year!). |
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chris168
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29-Sep-2009 22:53
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Thanks for the warning indeed. Exit 70% ... yesterday and today.....
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lookcc
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29-Sep-2009 22:45
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n falling knives 4 picking????
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smartrader
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29-Sep-2009 22:30
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it will continue to go up ...the uptrend is more meaningful now as it is across different industires... | ||||
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iPunter
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29-Sep-2009 22:29
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I can't be sicker... it is a sick market... As opposed to the last time when I said the market was 'sickly'... when it was sickly, that was the first sign of bad things to come... Now the market is sick... which means whilst rising stocks are hard to come by, falling stocks are the order of the day...
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boyikao3
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29-Sep-2009 22:22
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"...if DJIA doesn't rally on Monday into Tuesday, then it means end of story for wave 2 up for DJIA. If its does, all should end by Tuesday."![]()
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smartrader
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29-Sep-2009 22:15
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this is the best time for bb to strike fear and confusion by selling down selective counters....since the consensus is that it have to come down.. | ||||
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Peg_li
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29-Sep-2009 20:16
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yes, you are right!agree with you!
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lookcc
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29-Sep-2009 20:16
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will it bcome sicker???? | ||||
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iPunter
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29-Sep-2009 20:08
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Last night's Dow big Cheong Aarrhhhhhhh!!!" and today's STI showed a technical rise of 30+ pts... But the reality is today, many people lost a lot of money because a lot of counters just sank... This is why the market has been sickly lately...with internal sickness... Don't just look at the index!... ![]() |
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bennykusman
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29-Sep-2009 11:01
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thanks
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des_khor
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29-Sep-2009 10:50
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Bull so strong kick the bear away again.... | ||||
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Hulumas
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29-Sep-2009 10:08
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Dear Bennykusman, Strong recovery for CHINA JISHAN is in process! CHINA JISHAN commences showing of 1st quarter and 1st half year increasing profit trend! Hence, EPS could easily positive by the end of 2009 of about RMB 0.023... PER will be 14.5 and PER of 7.3 coming into 2010 only 4.3, 2.2 successively into 2011 and 2012 respectively. (pressuming the share price maitain at Sgd. 0.06). Due to its business expansion at the right time, right place, right sector etc. Please refer to www.forums.sgfunds.com on the CHINA JISHAN topic.
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boyikao3
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28-Sep-2009 23:07
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So wise... Thanks for the warning!![]()
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smartrader
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28-Sep-2009 22:57
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as long as you do not chase stocks that have run-up alot.....correction will allow laggards to catch up with the index... | ||||
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aleoleo
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28-Sep-2009 22:10
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Europe region surge up more than 1% averagely ..... same thing happen to DOW, more than 100 points and index up above 1%. However, look at the asian market this morning, all down more than 1% ...... hope tomorrow will pare the losses of today ...... but, how long can this sustain? actually not much good news ... today surge is because of the M&A (merger & acquicition) activities only ... month end window dressing + dow good performing tonite, tomorrow for sure will be good .... but not the day after tomorrow..... correction take place .... trade with cares |
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teeth53
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28-Sep-2009 20:21
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This coming week....?. http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/25/markets/sunday_lookahead/index.htm?postversion=2009092803 teeth53 tot: Crucial week ahead for stocks that can effect STI NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The market rally finally hit some resistance last week, giving investors in the week ahead an opportunity to get back in at lower levels - or get out before the going gets worse. The debate is the same one it's been since the market bottomed in March - have stocks jumped the gun on the pace of the economic recovery, and are they now set up for a big fall? "A lot of investors have been willing the market higher emotionally, and they are going to hope it keeps going higher in the next few months," said Don DeWaay, CEO at DeWaay capital Management. "But when you see such precipitous rally, even off of the depths, you have to be careful," he said. "The bottom line is the fundamentals have to support the advance and the consumer has to be there, and I just don't see that." |
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beckleong
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28-Sep-2009 16:56
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Fed’s Strategy Reduces U.S. Bailout to $11.6 Trillion Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve decided to keep pumping $1.25 trillion of new money into the mortgage market to focus on rescuing the U.S. economy as the financial system revives and banks ask for less help. |
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beckleong
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28-Sep-2009 16:53
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Obama Stock Advance Persists on Money Fund Hoarding By Lynn Thomasson and Michael Tsang Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Americans holding $3.5 trillion in cash are giving money managers increasing confidence that the stock market rally under President Barack Obama will continue through the end of the year. Even after reducing money-market accounts by 11 percent this year, investors have cash equal to 73 percent of Standard & Poor’s 500 Index companies’ net assets, according to data compiled by the Investment Company Institute and Bloomberg. At the peak of the bull market in 2007, the measure of buying power was 62 percent. The S&P 500 climbed 54 percent since March 9 as the U.S. government and Federal Reserve lent, spent or guaranteed $11.6 trillion and the central bank held interest rates near zero to fight the longest recession in seven decades. Now, the benchmark gauge for U.S. equities may extend the advance as investors who kept their money in cash become convinced the gains will last, said Jack Ablin, who helps oversee $60 billion as chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank in Chicago. “There’s an enormous stockpile of liquidity on the sidelines,” Ablin said in a telephone interview on Sept. 23. “The reinvestment of cash could help fuel the market.” No new president since Franklin Roosevelt has seen a bigger rally than Obama. The S&P 500 climbed 30 percent since he was sworn in as economists lifted estimates for third-quarter growth almost sixfold to 2.9 percent. Forecasts for next year’s gross domestic product rose to 2.4 percent from an average estimate of 2.1 percent on Inauguration Day, according to Bloomberg data. Saving Money Investors placed $1.45 trillion in U.S. money-market funds in 2007 and 2008 during the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, based on data from Washington-based ICI. The amount has dropped $439.5 billion since reaching a record $3.92 trillion in the week ended Jan. 14. A broader measure of reserves that includes cash, bank deposits and money-market funds has climbed to $9.55 trillion this month, based on data compiled by the Fed. That’s enough to buy all of the companies in the S&P 500, which have a combined market value of $9.22 trillion, Bloomberg data show. Since 1999, so-called money at zero maturity has on average accounted for 62 percent of the stock index’s worth. “There is a wall of cash,” said Yves Carpentier, a Paris- based manager at Cap West, who oversees $118 million in three U.S. stock funds that have gained more than 32 percent this year, beating at least 87 percent of their competitors. “Stocks will be the investment of choice in the coming months.” Never Before The S&P 500 plunged 38 percent last year, the biggest drop since 1937, as crashing real-estate prices spurred $1.6 trillion in writedowns and credit losses at global financial companies and led to the most bank failures since the savings-and-loan crisis of the early 1990s. Before the collapse of New York-based Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. last year, the amount of cash never exceeded the value of U.S. equities. Futures on the S&P 500 slipped 0.3 percent at 8:49 a.m. in London today as a drop in metal prices dimmed the earnings outlook for raw-material producers. Stocks rebounded this year, trimming the S&P 500’s decline since its Oct. 9, 2007, record to 33 percent, as the U.S. government pumped cash into the country’s largest lenders and the economy stabilized. More than 72 percent of S&P 500 companies beat analysts’ second-quarter earnings estimates. Investors are returning to stocks faster than in the last bull market. They’ve added $15.8 billion to domestic-equity funds since March, compared with outflows of $18.6 billion during the first five months of the bull market that began in October 2002, data from ICI shows. Money Yields Should inflation exceed returns on money-market accounts, that may cause more investors to buy equities. The 100 largest taxable U.S. funds returned an annualized 0.12 percent during the past week, according to data compiled by Westborough, Massachusetts-based Crane Data LLC. The Fed said on Sept. 23 that it anticipates keeping the benchmark interest rate “exceptionally low” for an “extended time.” Labor Department reports this month showed prices of goods imported into the U.S. tumbled 15 percent in August from a year earlier and consumer prices dropped 1.5 percent. “Many of the fund managers I talk to that have missed this rally or underplayed this rally are sitting with way too much cash,” said Jeffrey Saut, chief investment strategist at Raymond James & Associates in St. Petersburg, Florida, which manages $214 billion. Rising Concern Yields on U.S. inflation-protected debt show increasing concern about consumer prices eroding the value of fixed payments. The difference in rates on 10-year notes and Treasury Inflation Protected Securities, or TIPS, which reflects the outlook among traders for consumer prices over the life of the securities, is 1.76 percentage points. That’s up from minus 0.02 points in November, though below the average of 2.06 points during the past decade, data compiled by Bloomberg show. John Paulson, the New York-based hedge-fund manager who earned $2.5 billion in 2008 betting against a recovery in U.S. housing, and Warren Buffett, the world’s second-richest person, still expect inflation to climb. Paulson & Co.’s biggest holding is the SPDR Gold Trust that buys bullion. Buffett, chairman and chief executive officer of Omaha, Nebraska-based Berkshire Hathaway Inc., said in June that government spending to ease the financial crisis may increase inflation. Bigger Returns “Stocks can easily go higher,” Marc Faber, publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom report, said in a Sept. 22 Bloomberg Television interview from New York. “If you print the money, they can go anywhere.” While the S&P 500 is valued at the highest level since 2004 based on reported operating earnings from the past year, Jeffrey Coons at Manning & Napier Advisors Inc. says the index is still cheap relative to the net assets and sales of its companies. The index trades for 2.14 times book value, or assets minus liabilities, 34 percent below its 15-year average, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The S&P 500 was never valued below 2 times net assets until the collapse of Lehman, data starting in 1994 show. The index fetches 1.13 times sales, 23 percent less than its average since 1993. “Nobody, nobody, nobody knows what the E is in P/E coming off a severe recession,” said Coons, co-director of research at Manning & Napier, which oversees $21 billion in Fairport, New York. “One of the best measures in an environment like today is price-to-sales,” he added. “When we look at the stocks in our portfolio, the valuations of stocks in it, a lot are 25 percent to 30 percent away from their fair values.” ‘Not Getting Worse’ Stock gains will be limited should the economic recovery stall, according to Eric Cinnamond, manager of the $239 million Intrepid Small Cap Fund that has gained 32 percent this year. “Things have stabilized and are not getting worse, but they’re not necessarily getting better,” said Cinnamond, who has 18 percent of his assets in cash. “We’re actually getting more defensive.” Sales of existing U.S. homes unexpectedly fell last month for the first time since March, according to a Sept. 24 report from the National Association of Realtors. The global economic recovery will probably be “sluggish,” International Monetary Fund Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn said in an interview in Washington before last week’s Group of 20 nations summit. Price-to-earnings ratios using a decade of data show stocks aren’t cheap. Equities trade close to 19 times profit, above the 16.3 average for the past 128 years, according to Yale University’s Robert Shiller. The professor uses 10 years of earnings to smooth out short-term fluctuations. Quarterly Returns The MSCI World Index of stocks in 23 developed nations has returned 16 percent this quarter including the reinvested dividends of its 1,660 companies. Treasuries have gained 1.3 percent, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. Oil has slipped 5.5 percent in New York, while the Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of 19 industrial and agricultural commodities added 0.2 percent. Higher valuations reflect greater confidence among investors that the economy will rebound and spur a revival in earnings growth and consumer spending, according to James Paulsen, chief investment strategist at Wells Capital Management in Minneapolis, which oversees $375 billion. Combined with the amount of cash still available to buy shares, Paulsen says equities are a good bet. “There’s a huge amount of dry powder on the sidelines that could become a big catalyst for both the economy and the stock market,” Paulsen said. “As confidence grows in the sustainability of this recovery, more cash is going to find itself into economic or investment pursuits. Considerable buying power could be reallocated into stocks.” To contact the reporters on this story: Lynn Thomasson in New York at lthomasson@bloomberg.net; Michael Tsang in New York at mtsang1@bloomberg.net. Last Updated: September 28, 2009 03:54 EDT |
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28-Sep-2009 16:51
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Dow future green now but don't know can sustain or not? | ||||
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