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giantlow
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03-Mar-2008 00:32
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my personal views on why the 4 hours delay before any public announcement. guy missing. try to get some fellow guards friends to help find the guy first. still cannot find the guy. report duty officer who orders a lock down premises and conduct full search of compound. still cannot find the guy. assemble senior mgt for meeting to discuss the action plan. assemble & brief special ops command (including PR team). PR team releases the annoucement. why can't it be any sooner? based on my NS experience, if got problem, i try to settle it first together with friends. every ikan bilis thing report duty officer meh. u want to kenna extra duty ah? maybe the guy went to the handicapped toilet or the female toilet leh. it is also important to assemble the special ops command and come with the proposed measures before informing the media. imagine if they didn't have the team set up or have a plan yet. media : what is police doing about the situation? spokesperson : we dun have any plans yet, but basically we plan to find the missing guy lah CANNOT say like that right! lets try to be more understanding. 4hrs is a reasonable timeframe to inform the public. disclaimer I am not involved in the operation to locate the missing guy. Simply a PES C guy watching the news closely |
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02-Mar-2008 23:46
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Haha.. snapper you're too funny le!!! Hahaha.. short the guard!!! XD |
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novena_33
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02-Mar-2008 22:18
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hey Pikachu, will we get charge for the MMS.... i m not paying for this man.... |
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pikachu
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02-Mar-2008 21:30
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Snappers, haha... you're one real joker! Has anyone received the MMS yet? I have not got it yet. |
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PinkyGoh
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02-Mar-2008 18:24
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by the way, where are all the police dog? Sniff out too much contraband cigarette until they can't help to sniff out this guy???!!!! |
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OneSharer
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02-Mar-2008 16:30
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Snappers: Wow! Laugh 'til I cough. |
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Snappers
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02-Mar-2008 15:56
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possible conversation:- Selamat Mas Kastari : eh bro... now market beli bad, 4pm liao.. everything down.. can short leh.. why miss the chance to short and make money.. go la.. go log on and short any counter, sure make money one.. don't worry abt me, i go toilet pee liao then wait for you outside the toilet door.. quick go.. short short short...!! Guard : really ah??!! sure bo?? if really can short then i go short now leh... wa...!! 4 pm liao ah.. only 1 hour to short leh.. i think i go short now and buy back abt 4.45pm... you wait for me at the toilet door after you finish peeing.. dun anyhow run abt hor... wait for me huh.... chiong ah.... shorting... here i come.... Selamat Mas Kastari : wahaha....!!! now my turn to short the guard....!!! chiong ah....!!! (for entertain purpose only..... hahaha)___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ seriously, at the very first instance, why not make public announcement when he was found missing? wouldn't it be better to make announcement on tv and radio of his escape, along with his description, what colour shirt and short he was wearing, etc... at least with all these info, wouldn't there be a better chance of spotting him?? why wait till 4 hours then announce?? is it bcos they fail to locate him and their legs started to get wobbly dats why finally decided to make public announcement?? can't understand why the delay?? it was mentioned that the escapee posed "no immediate danger and is not known to be armed" but on the other hand, he is the "most ruthless terrorist". isn't it contradicting? i think they probably had the confidence of recapturing him dats why they didn't want to announce it (wanna save face!). but alas, as time passed by, they couldn't find him and the only way out is to make it known to the public. till now, there's still nothing mentioned as to how he managed to escape!! mayb come monday, the youth olympic council will announce that they decided to withdraw their decision to allow sg to host the youth olympics!!! followed by F1 race to be withdrawn....!!!! hahaha...... what a disgrace!!!!!!! |
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OneSharer
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02-Mar-2008 15:48
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Ok, I'll go for Elfie's mind game. It may help us to be more alert. Elfie, you didn't post you view. Who will you be, and what will you do? TradeChancellor: Ha, ha! If I pass by a woman wearing 4-inch heels and has a bandage, I'd definitely give her MORE attention! I'll ask my companion to do the same. I'll say, "Hey, look at that stupid woman wearing 4-inch heels; she really deserve the bandage!" Maybe then she'll escape in the midst of crack. If I were him, I'd hide my limp by acting helpless. I'll try to be as non-threatening as possible -- disguise as an old guy or someone in a wheelchair. This will also help me gain sympathy points, and people will keep their guards down. I think the "limp" can help/misguide the identification process. |
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tanglinboy
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02-Mar-2008 14:10
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I just heard on the news that his limp is actually not so bad. It is only obvious when he tries to run or walk fast. Otherwise, he walks like any normal person. |
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novena_33
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02-Mar-2008 10:02
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that true.....littlenove... ppl can find him in a big country....and we so much smaller..... we better find him!!!! well...if u look at his earlier photo...against the current mug shot... he seem to put on some weigh there.... must be well fed and rested... so now can do this stun..... |
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littlenova
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02-Mar-2008 05:03
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To add on to my proposition mentioned earlier: if the terrorist is not caught, all Singaporeans also no need pay taxes for 3 consecutive years (means GST, ERP, F&B tax etc). This should help bring down the cost of living and help curb inflation! :P |
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littlenova
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02-Mar-2008 04:57
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I think the excuse of the terrorist being 1)crippled and 2)unarmed to play down the severity of the issue is lame. Why? Because if he is crippled and can still escape under the survelliance of so many un-crippled policemen, that shows that he is a really fast running cripple man and thus we should not play it down. Secondly, so what if he is unarmed? He can run into the fish market at night, steal a chopper from a food stall or hawker. Then he is armed already lor. They keep playing the terrorist video day after day at MRT stations, emphasizing the importance of vigilance but now a terrorist is lose, why don't we see the same level of tension from the government? However I believe in giving everyone a chance as no one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes at times. Of course it is less tolerant for a senior person to make critical mistakes. The bottom line is someone needs to be accountable for this issue. Not just to pacify the angry Singaporeans but also to show to our neighbouring countries and around the world that our MPs are 'man' enough to own up their mistake. That we are not a communist country where our government gets away with everything and anything like a spoilt child given the authority of an adult. My proposition: WKS to commit to a time frame to hunt down this terrorist, say 3 days (consider the severity of a terrorist running lose and the small size of our country). If he is not able to accomplish it by then, he will step down. |
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TradeChancellor
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02-Mar-2008 01:55
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If i were him, i'll dress up as a women with a wig and 4 inch-heels. Camouflage the limp with bandage. |
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viruz7667
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01-Mar-2008 23:34
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The part that disappointed me most is when the news show WKS apologizing...."public are not informed earlier ...this is not immediate danger" ..MY GOD...when i heard he said tat....think he kept his brain somewhere....not immediate danger..but SOON is Globally danger...till now i still dun believe how can a person escape from "SINGAPORE" detention centre..and moreover he cant 'RUN" as per norm pple...guess is juz a plot or so...by insider.. |
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hohokit
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01-Mar-2008 23:02
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Let him out to drink coffee with Noordin Muhammad. |
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01-Mar-2008 22:54
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Well, that have cross my mind too when I heard it this morning. But, the authority must make it look like real and seize this chance as a mobilisation exercise to test all relevant units and public response/awareness. Probability though very small but still possible. Oh, maybe only a few VIP knows the truth. |
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elfinchilde
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01-Mar-2008 22:42
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(-_-").....farmer, perhaps too many TV shows? :P but seriously, if that were the idea, then, no need to put so much resources on alert, on manhunt wat...let him go free, let him believe police are stupid, would be way more effective than mobilising so many ppl and resources. so scenario can likely be struck out based on probability.... altho, haha, who was it who quipped about photohunt? apparently the telcos are getting in on this now. perhaps we can all expect a pic of mas selamat kastari to appear on our phones soon, courtesy of our own taxpayers' money. (perhaps singtel will increase phone bills next mth, citing services rendered? ;) ) hmm...seriously tho. if you were the guy, where would you go to, and how? mind games. interesting. |
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Farmer
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01-Mar-2008 22:24
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Does it come to anyone's mind that this whole episode is a well plan move by the authority? Well, I heard coffee shop talk that they have planted "something" inside this terrorist's body to track his where about anytime, anywhere within a time zone. Their actual target is the terrorist cell hide-out and its members which he'll be contacting thus, can arrest them all at one go. Does it sounds like a detective series? |
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01-Mar-2008 19:49
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Lifted this from Littlespeck.com.......would have been easier to attach link...but afraid that this article may be told to be removed from the site soon. Security The Great Escape Wong Kan Seng should resign; his mistake potentially endangers the lives of many people in Singapore and elsewhere, says blogger mr wang. Comments. Mar 1, 2008 By now you've heard the news. Mas Selamat is on the loose. The terrorist had previously hatched plots to attack Changi Airport, the US Embassy, the American Club and the Singapore American School. He had been held under detention, at the Whitley Detention Centre. On Wednesday afternoon, he escaped when the guard(s) permitted him to use the toilet. I urge all bloggers out there to immediately post Mas Selamat's face on their blogs. So that as many people in Singapore as possible will know, and be reminded of what Mas Selamat's face looks like. It is a very disappointing day for me, to realise how inept and useless the Singapore government has become. To think that we pay the world's highest ministerial salaries to our political leaders. Wong Kan Seng is paid two million dollars per year and he cannot even keep an arrested man under proper lock and key. A terrorist has escaped, for goodness sakes. I think Wong Kan Seng should resign. Terrorism knows no borders, and Wong Kan Seng's mistake potentially endangers the lives of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people - not just in Singapore, but in other countries as well. All over the world, elected politicians have been pressed to resign, for much less serious matters. Okay, that was just some wishful thinking on my part. We know how Singapore works, don't we? It's just another "honest mistake" by our beloved ministers. Lee Kuan Yew will twist and pull Wong Kan Seng's ears in private, I'm sure. But publicly, at least, Wong Kan Seng will ultimately walk away scot-free. Don't forget - the PAP's good image is at stake. So how could it possibly turn out otherwise? Wong Kan Seng is Deputy Prime Minister, after all. Soon the national spin machine will kick into overdrive to generate a convincing story for the public .... ... as to why our ministers are really still world-class, and deserve their world-class salaries, and the Mas Selamat matter was all just a very honest mistake, and the important thing is that we learn from our mistakes, and not repeat them, (at least not until the next time we make a new honest mistake), and till then, the people of Singapore must be socially cohesive, and be strong, and support their government, as one nation. You know, the usual crap. Mas Selamat has managed to run away. But in the end, it will be Wong Kan Seng who makes the really Great Escape. Comments (excerpts) percevale said... The announcement of the completely off the mark budget forecast used as a reason for the GST hike and the timing of the JI leader's escape really reminds me of this little old movie called "WAG THE DOG". The timing is so coincidental and so fortuitous from one of Singapore's most secured facilities astounds me. What other reason could there be that a prison garbed (I assume) inmate with a limp could escape from an ISD toilet other than someone simply let him? We hold ENEMIES OF STATE over at ISD Whitley. Do you really believe he just waltzed out of there? This sabre rattling is meant to distract the Singaporean public from real structural issues. And days later, after his "re-capture" while the nation "celebrates" with The Party, government incompetence goes forgotten. Suddenly hue and cry over massive surpluses and the insignificant redistribution of wealth to its citizens are forgotten. Matilah Singapura! Anonymous said... Did we ever learn from our mistakes? This has happened before with a criminal walking out of detention unnoticed and a suspected murderer walking across the causeway, and yet we have a two million dollars minister telling us it was just a lapse of security. How simple and convenient. That the minister will walk away scot-free after this episode is as sure as the sun rising from the East. Anonymous said... I am somewhat puzzled by this escape. How could this terrorist escape through at least 3 layers of protection - at the toilet - at the building and at the exit of the detention camp. I think sniffer dogs should have been used to track him down. There must be some leftover scents from his clothings at the camp that the dogs can use but I dont see any sniffer dogs being used. Another case of mismanagement? bluerr said... I'm not buying their explanation that he escaped by the toilet. Thats like one of the lamest way to tell me that the ISD totally lacks any form of security. So the ISD can, and has successfully detained 'political criminals' for years, but fails to keep this wanted terrorist locked up? Something is seriously wrong here. Nicholas Lazarus said... What we have learnt and should always remember are that the JI operatives are extremely dedicated and deadly disciples of Osama Bin Ladin. This particular JI operative was forged from the fires of Afghanistan and perhaps the most intelligent and cunning amongst the organisation. How else could he be their leader! That he has escaped is an indication of how dangerous JI operatives truly are. In my view, it is not the fault of our security forces. It is easy with the benefit of hindsight to criticise but bear in mind that even the CIA and the FBI could not prevent 9-11. Even the British M15 could not prevent the London bombings. We should rally behind and support our security forces and not undermine them. Anonymous said... Mr Wang, I have always been an avid reader of your blog and admired you for your local political commentaries. These days however, I feel as though your cynicism has, in manner of speaking, gone through the roof. I obviously feel angry when I hear news regarding ministers' salaries, and how the government stinges and saves on our huge surpluses while increaseing GST rates and closing a blind eye to the underclass. Yet it seems that you so angrily condemn the government for every single problem that occurs in this country, as though they are fully responsible and aware of the repercussions of every policy decision, and they are purposely making our lives a living hell. Yes, given, the government is always accountable for the problems of a country but in several instances, I think you go overboard in vilifying our ministers. For example in this case, you call for Wong Kan Seng to resign because of Mas Selamat's escape. Sure, as the head, he is answerable for this grave mistake. But around the world, leaders are failed by their bureaucracy and law enforcers. Does this necessarily make them bad leaders? I would think not. I don't wish to remove any blame on the government's part. It is shameless that such a man escaped, and the government has to take responsibility for the disgusting lapse of vigilance and security negligence. But to point your finger at one man, and say that for this, he has to resign, is really taking it too far. This government is far from being perfect. I certainly would not hesitate to criticise their actions, but it feels as though, the constant frustrations you have faced in dealing with them have lead you to become over cynical and emotional in your judgements. I have seen this happen to a good many people, and even this, is a result of the manner in which our government operates. I just feel as though your commentaries have lost the constructive criticism, analysis and spark that they once had. danielle Anonymous said... Terrible Shame! It was the Indonesians who caught Mas for Singapore! This appalling incident cannot go unpunished. RESIGN! RESIGN! A thousand RESIGNS!!! I have a fear that if this escape is planned, I would not be surprised he has great plans for Singapore! How else to make a statement to escape from Singapore prison then to inflict damage and afterwards proclaim to the world that the JI has won Singapore? I hope I am wrong. Thus I feel this is a grave incompetence that cannot go unpunished! WKS please resign, cutting your salary is not enough! Anonymous said... Overpaid and useless. Someone must be punished! I just fear that if this escape is planned, he may have in store a devious scheme for Singapore. What a statement it would make if he could pull some sinister plot after his escape and proclaim victory against us? WKS please RESIGN. Anonymous said... Only recently the many ministers talked about how lucky Singaporeans are to have good leaders. The msm always talked about how country A can learn from Sgp about this and how country B can learn from Sgp about that. These countries have the last laugh. Anonymous said... Hi Danielle, I strongly agree with you. We cannot blame the escape of a terrorist convict to the government. It is unfair to them. After-all we are the people who elected this "highly paid geniuses". We only have ourselves to blame. Anonymous said... Dear Danielle, the said minister had no issues with increasing his paycheck, no? with great pay comes great responsibilities, no? the powers that be had always liken the management of the nation as that of the private sectors - high pay to get the best talent extrapolate this incident to a private sector firm - if a bank's security system is flawed, resulting in the bank being robbed, do you think the bank's chief of security's job will be in peril? Why is this case different? We HAVE to be cynical, because this is a group of people, who insinuated that if given a lower than competitive salary scale, they would forsake the country and go to the private sector, or turn corrupt. Anonymous said... Danielle, Do you think that a mere apology from WKS would absolve him of all responsibilities and accountability? Then why are we told by our great leaders who has taken great pains to explain that we have to pay top dollar for such world class leaders. If there are no accountability to assume, how can we ensure that our world class ministers will not repeat such mistakes in their responsibilities. We might as well pay peanuts for any Tom, Dick and Harry to do the job. Anonymous said... Dear Danielle, Mr Wang is as human as you and me. He has feelings, we can feel pain. Being angry and disappointed is part and parcel of life and it is normal. I do not know about the million dollars men. "This government is far from being perfect" This is not true. Our government is perfect. We are constantly reminded that we have the best government in the world. Once, our esteemed MM said that we may need a bad dose of government to wake us up. This implied that we have already a very good dose of government. Are we getting a dose of bad government now? Anonymous said... What infuriates me most is that the state controlled media have high handed orders from way up to "interview" people on the street who gave full confidence to the government's security forces blah blah blah! These journalists are just brainless puppeteers for power hungry & status conscious government. Even a 6 year old kid can tell you, "how come our security so lousy?!" Anonymous said... danielle, Gosh, were you born yesterday? Ministers around the world resigns every time when a major embarassment takes place. Japan, USA, France, Germany even 3rd World Countries do that! Except yes you have guessed it Singapore. Grow up man & be more mature in your thinking! Anonymous said... Looks like 'great pay comes great responsibilities' does not apply to unique Singapore, so let us not point our fingers at one man, and say that for this, he has to resign. Resignations will never happen here and I think we have gone overboard by asking for the impossible. This government is far from perfect, and I certainly hope that they realise this when it is time to increase their own salary. For the moment, I just wonder who should be responsible, probably a low-ranking guard, so let's move on. Anonymous said... Ah Wang Indeed the bugger Wong will escape with a slap on the wrist. But i totally agree that all bloggers should post selamat's picture in their blog. Awareness is key now. Plenty of time to whack government after Anonymous said... I don't think it's a good idea to start pre-judging WKS on this issue until we know more facts for certain. For example, was the lapse that led to this escape due to the fault of one of the complex guards (human error), or a more fundamental flaw in the ISD's security procedures (systemic error)? It's easy to point fingers at the person who's overall in charge (in this case the Home Affairs Minister), but why should we only hang the figurehead when his subordinates down the chain-of-command may be far more culpable? People aren't perfect. Whether you pay them million-dollar salaries or not, you can't expect them to be able to prevent every single human error committed by their subordinates. Having said that, I do agree that while we shouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger yet, the MHA has a great deal of accounting to do at this point in time. Anonymous said... Danielle, In the Westminster model, although the Permanent Secretary is in charge of the functioning of the ministry (the bureaucracy), the Minister is ultimately responsible. It is harsh. Thats why a Minister's job is not easy. You need eyes on both sides of your head - in the front so you can move forward and do the things you were elected to do, on the back so your followers don't do anything such as stab you in the back. Rightfully, the Minister should be held to account and he is, and in some jurisdictions he'll be called to resign. Mr Wang is right to say that he won't in Singapore. He is cynical, but it is cynicism grounded in past experience. No PAP minister has been shown the door, publicly at least, for incompetence, and certainly not one who is a heavyweight. The reality is someone will take the rap, and usually a civil servant, which is unfortunate enough, or worse, the poor Gurkhas who happened to be on guard. It is not unique to Singapore - the state attorneys scandal in the US saw Alberto Gonzales take the fall for Bush. But that was relatively minor. If someone escaped from Guantanamo, the President or the Defense Secretary might be impeached by Congress. I honestly do not think it is a 'security lapse'. Whitley is a very secretive and high priority establishment. The very fact that a lapse can happen in such a place, and be exploited by a limping man, suggests a failure of systems and processes, and the oversight of such systems ultimately rests in the hands of the Permanent Secretary, who reports to the Minister, who the people must call to account Anonymous said... "The timing is so coincidental and so fortuitous from one of Singapore's most secured facilities astounds me." Perhaps that explained for his grinning? Anonymous said... When he spoke in parliament on Thursday to give an update on escape and to apologise, he appeared to be "smiling". I noticed that when the word "sorry" was said, he wasn't looking up. Anonymous said... Dear Danielle, I think if the cabinet ministers, we would have a more moderate expectations of the abilities, but with an insane pay, the expectations on them to deliever also becomes insane. It comes with the tuft. We cannot expect them to ride on a high pay and not suffer the consequences of their mismanagement. Who is to blame for all the man hours spent hunting for the man? The people in the army, police force etc etc. Danielle , You find this acceptable? feedmetothefish said... Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Pay bigger peanuts, get same monkeys who now sleep on the job! Hello, it's just a sign that we are not paying the ministers enough. Is this a sample of "bad dose of government"? Will Singaporean mothers, sisters, wives and daughters end up as maids in other country soon? Let's get ready for another pay hike for our hardworking, honourable and dedicated ministers! Anyone drinking Newater lately? Be careful, Mas Selamat may be part of Newater's ingredients by now. How else, could he escape from the toilet? This shameless wayang which is better than "Wag the Dog", deserves an Oscar! Let's watch out for the next spinning wayang. "Limping Terrorist vs Lame Minister" sounds good. Anonymous said... Isn't Singapore very lucky he didn't plan his escape a week earlier? With that YOG 2010 and the badly organised Singapore Airshow last weekend, where would we mobilise all the manpower, had we need to hunt for Mas Selamat? Recall half of all the Singaporean men for reservist, and leave the good foreign talents to support to economy? We are lucky the IOC selected us as the YOG host last week. Had they known we would carelessly allowed Mas Selamat to escape |
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elfinchilde
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01-Mar-2008 19:18
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just read some of the online blogs. fwah. our normal press is really censoring the people's real opinions man. haha. it's dereliction of duty. would be interesting to see the Govt's accounting of it in public. most likely, they'd wipe it under the table, and no one but the small fries would have to take responsibility for it. typical style of top down government. I do not think any minister or whatever high authority would take responsibility at all. they're scholars after all. bred to be the elite, and can never be touched, even for their own mistakes. |
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