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commando
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24-Mar-2010 16:32
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I tot you should help me to push it up to minimise my loss?????? | ||||
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Hulumas
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24-Mar-2010 14:34
Yells: "INVEST but not TRADE please!" |
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Me underweighted instead.
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commando
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24-Mar-2010 13:14
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Yes me loaded more at 3.56 | ||||
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rodney301
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24-Mar-2010 06:03
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well, i should have accumulated more over the past few days. might consider loading more considering the clear positive uptrend of this counter. |
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commando
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23-Mar-2010 20:47
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Ya.. vested. Hope it will fly once listed in HK. Dun forget it belongs to Asia 1 richest man. | ||||
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stedeguy
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23-Mar-2010 18:23
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Hi all, Here's another source of excellent reporting on Asian Reits by CBRE. http://www.cbre.com.cn/singapore/eng/asianreitsmkt.aspx |
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Quantico
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23-Mar-2010 17:41
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The HK listing should be good for Fortune REIT. Before announcement of the listing, Fortune REIT was trading around HK $ 3. Now it is HK $ 3.54. With a distribution of HK 21 cents this year, the net yield is 5.93%. This is comparable to the yield of Champion REIT. (7.1% on a gross basis). Market cap - HK $ 17.66 bil (about 3 times the size of Fortune REIT). |
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gutman
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23-Mar-2010 12:30
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Thanks. The report by E&A is certainly useful. It is interesting to note that Fortune is listing in HK by introduction, which means they will not be issuing additional new shares. Unlike most other Singapore listed companies who seeks listing in HK, new shares were issued which dilutes the share value held by existing shareholders.
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stedeguy
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23-Mar-2010 12:08
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Hi, Hong Kong Reits generally have done pretty well over the past year, recovering some 64.5% (2nd highest worldwide behind Singapore's 85.6%) based on the report by E&A http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Global-REIT-report-2010-Against-all-odds/$FILE/Global_REIT_report_2010_Against_all_odds.pdf In terms of number of listings (22 vs 7) and market capitalisation (20.6B vs 9.5B as at Dec 09), S-Reits is considered a more mature Reits market than H-Reits, although corporate governance on H-Reits is considered stricter. The proposed listing by intro will be H-Reits market's first Reits IPO since Jun 07. In terms of pricing, only 1 H-Reit (The Link) is trading above its offer price, even though its dividend yield is unimpressive at around 4 - 5%. I believe Fortune's move is very smart given that the H-Reit market is devoid of quality Reit that is trading above water. Fortune's dividend yield also compares well with the H-Reits. I am confident that Fortune will be well received. This Fri's AGM should be able to give some guidance on what will be the listing price.
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gutman
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23-Mar-2010 10:54
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Any information on how the Hong Kong Reits are doing? How are their Price / NAV doing? This could give us an indication of how much Fortune Reit will be priced once it is listed in HK. | ||||
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rodney301
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23-Mar-2010 06:03
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this counter is definitely still MUCH below its FAIR value. Wise investors who got in should be gleaming with delight now as it might just unleash its FULL potential soon if it can successfully lisk in HK . People who are going to get in will still be getting a GOOD bargain. Well, these are just my personal opinions. Whether u believe my earlier postins is entirely up to your discretion. |
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rodney301
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22-Mar-2010 21:26
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YEAH!!!YEAH!!!YEAH!!! Fortune Reit has made an OFFICIAL application to the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong for the DUAL LISTING!!! the link is below: http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwAttachments/Att_E0D85FEB361BCDFA482576EE0031A187/$file/PriListing-SEHK-Annc.pdf?openelement |
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rodney301
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19-Mar-2010 07:18
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oops, sorry for the late reply. logged off when i posted yesterday. yeap, it is denominated in HKD. Just another point to share with you guys. Trading in HKD is a GREAT ADVANTAGE!!! Looking at the current exchange rate, 1 SGD is equivalent to around 5.56 HKD. By comparing to a 5 year chart of the SGD-HKD conversion, the peak is 1SGD to around 5.7HKD. This means that the exchange rate is considered VERY HIGH at the moment. The lowest exchange rate is around 1 SGD to around 4.6HKD. This represents a GAIN of around 20% in forex gain. Currently, the exchange rate is so HIGH is probably due to the loose monetary policy in HK. There are probably 2 reasons which could explain why HKD will appreciate. The first one is that all of us know that the overall monetary policy in HK is quite loose nowadays. Interest rates are low and the government does not want to stifle the economic growth by allowing the currency to appreciate too much. As the signs of the economy stabilizing become more apparent, the government will DEFINITELY have to RAISE interest rates to prevent INFLATION which is another BIG issue for the government now. Property prices are sky-high in HK now and the government will eventually curb it. So when interest rate increases, HKD will GO UP and economy stabilizes. The second reason which will explain why HKD will go up is probably due to the influence of her big brother, China. China is facing HUGE pressure to allow the yuan to appreciate. Personally, i think that the yuan is undervalued. The value of the yuan is not justified by the booming economic growth of China (although I think that China is purely using its reserves to prop up domestic spending). China wants to ensure that it will always have to edge in exports and the value of the yuan is decisive in this aspect. China faces HUGE INFLATION right now, with property and food prices SHOOTING up high. China must eventually allow the yuan to go up so that the chance of a social unrest (due to lower spending power of the Chinese) will be minimised. Even if it refuses to remove the peg to the USD, I personally reckon that US will step up measures to ensure that goods from China will not have a continued advantage (in terms of pricing) by imposing higher taxes on Chinese goods. This is definitely not what China wants as Chinese exports will not go up and living standard of Chinese will go down due to the value of the yuan. The macroeconomic balance must be achieved across the globe as the other countries have been too passive on China for the past 2 decades, allowing China to run up excessive reserves while they are running huge fiscal debt. Thus, I believe that China will have to bow to pressure eventually to raise the value of the yuan. HK, being closely associated to China will probably follow suit. These are just some of my personal opinions. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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sarsar
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18-Mar-2010 09:32
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Hi, to confirm the price is in HK$3.39 ? Thanks |
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rodney301
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18-Mar-2010 09:29
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just accumulated more betting BIG on this BABY!!! | ||||
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rodney301
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18-Mar-2010 07:12
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hopefully, it will reach at least 0.8 P/B ratio of around HKD 4.20 in a few months time. if it can be listing in HK, i believe that those HK people will snap it up until it is at least 1X P/B ratio. It is unbelievable that a REIT like this with strong financial backing is actually at a HUGE DISCOUNT to its overall net asset value. here is a list of price/NAV ratio for some of the REITS: Fortune Reit: 0.64 Ascendas India Trust: 1.177 Ascendas REIT (A-Reit): 1.221 Ascott REIT: 0.996 CDL Hospitality Trust: 1.238 CapitalMall Asia: 1.665 CapitaComm: 0.804 CapitaMall: 1.197 Capitaretail China Trust: 1.090 Frasers Centrepoint Trust: 1.346 K-Reit: 0.742 Parkwaylife REIT: 0.988 Suntec REIT: 0.736 From the list above, comparing the list above, I believe that Fortune REIT has the lowest price/NAV ratio for REITs under the retail category. (i.e. Capitamall Asia, Capitamall, Capitaretail China, Frasers Centrepoint, Suntec reit). The REITs for commercial use like Capitacomm and K-reit are exposed to a pipeline of more office area in the coming year in Singapore. Thus, price may still face a downward pressure. Comparing Fortune Reit and Suntec Reit, it is quite evident that Fortune has an advantage over the latter as Fortune is proposing a dual listing in HK as i mentioned earlier in my post. Now, comparing the Debt to Equity Ratio, Fortune Reit has a ratio of 0.366 while Suntec has a ratio of 0.554. Next comparing the Price to Cash Value, Fortune has a ratio of 10.964 while Suntec has a surprising huge ration of 78.613. This shows ONE IMPORTANT thing. Fortune is in a MUCH stronger financial position. I believe that Suntec has been distributing too much dividend. This is definitely a thumbs down as they might face future problem in servicing their debts. These are just some of the key points which i noted. |
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rodney301
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17-Mar-2010 22:04
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invested in this today . If I can remember correctly, the net asset value of this counter is HKD 5.23. This means that we are getting a DISCOUNT of around 35% of NAV!!! This REIT has the backing of Cheung Kong Group. I believe that one of Asia's richest man, "Superman" Mr Lee Ka Shing is the head of the group. As we proceed into this year, uncertainty may be prevalent. So i believe that this reit which consists of some of the more diversified tenants will prove to be resilient . What's more is that recently there is an announcement that it is seeking a DUAL LISTING in Hong Kong through a introduction. This will definitely boost its valuation as the valuation in HK is generally HIGHER than in Singapore. With the portfolio based in HK, i believe that the dual listing will most probably be realised. This is definitely a GREAT boost to people holding this counter :D the link to the announcement of the DUAL LISTING: http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwAttachments/Att_93223A436A079B77482576DB0010FF22/$file/DualListing-SubmissionSFC-030310.pdf?openelement |
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nickyng
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25-Feb-2010 09:31
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ok..covered at 3.15 x20 !!hee....made some kopi in HK$ !!! HO SAY LIAO ! :D | ||||
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nickyng
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25-Feb-2010 09:16
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did any1 shorted BIG on this burger? it announced that it will apply for DUAL listing in HK...haha...anyway shorted 20x at HK$3.24 !! Wish me luck !! | ||||
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stedeguy
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22-Dec-2009 17:43
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Is anyone out there privy to some insider information on why this usually lacklustre stock ascend in earnest after 4pm to end up as one of top 30 traded counter in terms of volume today? Thanks in advance. | ||||
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